CDZ Programs opposed by Conservatives that were successes

[Andylusion]

If you had ever run a business, you might think differently.

Mark

We are under no obligation to help you make money by poisoning the environment

But....but....it only hurts a little

The law of diminishing returns has to be used when dealing with any subject. If a slight reduction in pollution costs billions, it just isn't worth the cost.

Mark

Sell the environment out to the highest bidder

No. Use logic and rational thought to construct policy.

Mark

Use scientific evidence to construct policy. Don't stock the EPA with oil company lobbyists

Apparently you never read the road to serfdom. The whole point of that book, is that when you put government in charge, they will naturally move towards the forces they seek to control. The EPA being stocked with allies of the industry they control, is as natural as ocean water being salty.

The same is true of every single government agency being placed over any industry.

You can restock the EPA with new people, and then restock it again, and again, until the end of time.

As long as government directly controls companies, those companies will use their power and influence, to influence government. And the results will always be the same.

 

[rightwinger]

We are under no obligation to help you make money by poisoning the environment

But....but....it only hurts a little

The law of diminishing returns has to be used when dealing with any subject. If a slight reduction in pollution costs billions, it just isn't worth the cost.

Mark

Sell the environment out to the highest bidder

No. Use logic and rational thought to construct policy.

Mark

Use scientific evidence to construct policy. Don't stock the EPA with oil company lobbyists

Apparently you never read the road to serfdom. The whole point of that book, is that when you put government in charge, they will naturally move towards the forces they seek to control. The EPA being stocked with allies of the industry they control, is as natural as ocean water being salty.

The same is true of every single government agency being placed over any industry.

You can restock the EPA with new people, and then restock it again, and again, until the end of time.

As long as government directly controls companies, those companies will use their power and influence, to influence government. And the results will always be the same.

Which companies does the gubment directly control?

 

[Andylusion]

The law of diminishing returns has to be used when dealing with any subject. If a slight reduction in pollution costs billions, it just isn't worth the cost.

Mark

Sell the environment out to the highest bidder

No. Use logic and rational thought to construct policy.

Mark

Use scientific evidence to construct policy. Don't stock the EPA with oil company lobbyists

Apparently you never read the road to serfdom. The whole point of that book, is that when you put government in charge, they will naturally move towards the forces they seek to control. The EPA being stocked with allies of the industry they control, is as natural as ocean water being salty.

The same is true of every single government agency being placed over any industry.

You can restock the EPA with new people, and then restock it again, and again, until the end of time.

As long as government directly controls companies, those companies will use their power and influence, to influence government. And the results will always be the same.

Which companies does the gubment directly control?

By that statement, I meant that they control that industry.

For example, does government control where McDonald's gets beef? No. Does it control whether or not pickles are on their burgers? No.

Government does not control the food industry.

On the opposite side, does government control what loans can be made, what interest can be charged, and who should be allowed to get a loan? Yes. Government directly controls the banking industry for the most part.

Healthcare, banking, oil, several industries are directly controlled through various government agencies.

 

[toobfreak]

UP YOURS WITH A RUBBER HOSE.

Boeing ignored NOTHING. They have nothing to gain by doing that. The plane was designed to take advantage of an earlier design by shifting and rebalancing a few components. This saved a lot of companies tons of money. Then some unforeseen problems were found recently that resulted in a couple of crashes. Turns out the problem was in a lack of TRAINING covered for the pilots in what to do in certain situations. Boeing will fix that. They will either correct it in the computer and/or in the pilot training, not to mention in their own vetting.

And it was TRUMP who grounded the planes.

Is all your accounting of the world so faulty? (The answer is YES, from a guy who calls OBAMA the greatest American president!)

Training on what to do if the plane flips out

The plane should not flip out

If planes were easy to fly, we could all fly them. Quite trying to use Boeing's one miscalculation, underestimation or mistake in 10,000 to justify governments one thing gotten right in every 10,000. It is too late now for you to save face. Had Trump not grounded these planes, Boeing would have done so themselves the minute they realized there was a problem and pattern developing here.

Boeing will pay

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Boeing always pays. What is amazing though is your apparent PLEASURE and VINDICTIVENESS you take at seeing private companies (read: PEOPLE) take it on the chin for any reason while bending over backwards to defend big government no matter what.

And Boeing is one of America's finest companies!

Boeing Company is an American multinational corporation that designs, manufactures, and sells airplanes, rotorcraft, rockets, satellites, and missiles worldwide. The company also provides leasing and product support services. Boeing is among the largest global aircraft manufacturers; it is the fifth-largest defense contractor in the world based on 2017 revenue, and is the largest exporter in the United States by dollar value.

Says all one needs to know about you.

Yes

Take it on the chin for killing people

SURE. I'll take it on the chin for the 346 accidental Boeing deaths by airplane (we all know there are certain risked in all air and vehicle travel) if you can take the 203 MILLION deliberate deaths caused in the 20th century alone by government wars and oppression. WHAT ELSE you got to say about this non-starter, Bub?

 

[rightwinger]

Training on what to do if the plane flips out

The plane should not flip out

If planes were easy to fly, we could all fly them. Quite trying to use Boeing's one miscalculation, underestimation or mistake in 10,000 to justify governments one thing gotten right in every 10,000. It is too late now for you to save face. Had Trump not grounded these planes, Boeing would have done so themselves the minute they realized there was a problem and pattern developing here.

Boeing will pay

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Boeing always pays. What is amazing though is your apparent PLEASURE and VINDICTIVENESS you take at seeing private companies (read: PEOPLE) take it on the chin for any reason while bending over backwards to defend big government no matter what.

And Boeing is one of America's finest companies!

Boeing Company is an American multinational corporation that designs, manufactures, and sells airplanes, rotorcraft, rockets, satellites, and missiles worldwide. The company also provides leasing and product support services. Boeing is among the largest global aircraft manufacturers; it is the fifth-largest defense contractor in the world based on 2017 revenue, and is the largest exporter in the United States by dollar value.

Says all one needs to know about you.

Yes

Take it on the chin for killing people

SURE. I'll take it on the chin for the 346 accidental Boeing deaths by airplane (we all know there are certain risked in all air and vehicle travel) if you can take the 203 MILLION deliberate deaths caused in the 20th century alone by government wars and oppression. WHAT ELSE you got to say about this non-starter, Bub?

The fact that there are wars does nothing to negate killing hundreds of passengers

 

[jasonnfree]

Well, the list of things democrats have done for the average citizen has been presented. Let's see a list of what republicans have done for the average guy. Let's not include corporations as average citizens since nowhere in the constitution are corporations even mentioned.
So, on with the republican list of great things that they have done for us.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Well, the list of things democrats have done for the average citizen has been presented. Let's see a list of what republicans have done for the average guy. Let's not include corporations as average citizens since nowhere in the constitution are corporations even mentioned.
So, on with the republican list of great things that they have done for us.

What we've actually seen presented are a bunch of things Democrats either want to allot themselves credit for, whether they actually were responsible, and a bunch of things they want to assume were beneficial, without any evidence that they actually were.

Let's see some actual evidence that Democrats produced anything positive before you start trying to change the subject and make this about something other than the thread topic.

 

[rightwinger]

Well, the list of things democrats have done for the average citizen has been presented. Let's see a list of what republicans have done for the average guy. Let's not include corporations as average citizens since nowhere in the constitution are corporations even mentioned.
So, on with the republican list of great things that they have done for us.

What we've actually seen presented are a bunch of things Democrats either want to allot themselves credit for, whether they actually were responsible, and a bunch of things they want to assume were beneficial, without any evidence that they actually were.

Let's see some actual evidence that Democrats produced anything positive before you start trying to change the subject and make this about something other than the thread topic.

I ever said Democratic or Republican

I said Conservatives opposed them