Problem with bringing back Manafacturing jobs

[Dekster]

Hi all,

Trump is talking about bringing back manufacturing jobs but there is a problem...

America has a huge manufacturing labor shortage—and its education system is nowhere close to plugging the gap

The textile industry has a 20% worker shortage, while metal fabrication industry expects to be 400,000 workers short by 2024. There isn't a good plan to find them.

fortune.com

Understanding America’s Labor Shortage: The Most Impacted Industries

American businesses are creating hundreds of thousands of jobs each month, yet a significant number of positions still remain unfilled, especially in the professional and business service sector.

www.uschamber.com

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So the Manufacturing industry has 3.2% unemployment... 3% is considered full employment in most countries...


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So it is services that are struggling to fill vacancies most..

Manufacturing Doesn't Pay Well Nor Make Much Money - So Why Fixate On It?

One of the oddities of the current political and economic scene is that all too many people are fixated on manufacturing. We should "bring manufacturing back" or something. Quite why is very difficult to understand. There seems to be some idea that making things in huge sheds is a well [...]

www.forbes.com

Professional Services are better paying jobs than manufacturing and it is what US is actually good at.... US might run a lot of Trade deficits in Goods. They run surpluses in Professional services

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Trump Trade Deficits are Goods only and doesn't account for Services which is just stupid... Services jobs are the jobs people want, better paid and better conditions...

There may be a lot of people currently underemployed in crap jobs or doing gig work that would gladly take the jobs, especially if they come with benefits. I know $50K jobs are poverty wages in big blue places, but there are plenty of flyover towns and cities where that would be a decent wage.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The flaw in your post is that it's current.

This shit show is based in 1980's thinking.

Frankly manufacturing in the US is going to be the same as Europe: Its going to be highly highly automated, or higher end products requiring more processing or precision to manufacture. Thats why free trade with Mexico was a good idea. They could do the lower level manufacture and then it was shipped to the US to be combined with higher end products.

 

[1srelluc]

That is what we are asking about...

You are fighting for jobs which US can't fill...

US isn't a manufacturing based economy, it is a service based economy...

There is no reason both can't exist, but manufacturing needs to take priority in workers.

I've no issue with those working at some Amazon warehouse taking a manufacturing job. They will too, in droves, as manufacturing comes on-line.

If the likes of Amazon suffers as a consequence, then so be it. We need to ween ourselves from a service-based economy.

If that means my chi-com widget (hopefully soon to be a US-made widget) takes a week instead of two days to get to me then that's just fine by me.

 

[BluesLegend]

So I have shown you actual evidence and you wen full snowflake..

Want to try again....

Where are you getting the workers for these manufacturing jobs? You are going to need millions of unskilled and semi skilled worker....

BTW, ever figure out why Blue richer states isn't too big on themanafactiuering jobs?

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What part of you are a manufacturing idiot can't you comprehend fool? Dumb asses who know nothing about manufacturing or the history of manufacturing in the U.S. should avoid pretending that they do and looking all stupid.

 

[BluesLegend]

This trade war isn't going to solve that...

So what is your real solution considering Trump threw the recommended solution in the bin in 2017 after 3 days in office...

The United States Quits TPP: A Gift for China

US President Donald Trump’s decision to take the United States out of a free-trade agreement with eleven other Pacific Rim nations is a “gift” for China because it undermines a deal through which the United States had sought to write the rules of the road for global trade, according to two...

www.atlanticcouncil.org

Why don't you people just go back to claiming the jobs are gone forever while we prove you wrong. You do nothing defeatists don't give a shit about the working class and everyone knows it. Go be a permanent minority shit party with now power.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Hi all,

Trump is talking about bringing back manufacturing jobs but there is a problem...

America has a huge manufacturing labor shortage—and its education system is nowhere close to plugging the gap

The textile industry has a 20% worker shortage, while metal fabrication industry expects to be 400,000 workers short by 2024. There isn't a good plan to find them.

fortune.com

Understanding America’s Labor Shortage: The Most Impacted Industries

American businesses are creating hundreds of thousands of jobs each month, yet a significant number of positions still remain unfilled, especially in the professional and business service sector.

www.uschamber.com

View attachment 1099220

So the Manufacturing industry has 3.2% unemployment... 3% is considered full employment in most countries...


View attachment 1099219

So it is services that are struggling to fill vacancies most..

Manufacturing Doesn't Pay Well Nor Make Much Money - So Why Fixate On It?

One of the oddities of the current political and economic scene is that all too many people are fixated on manufacturing. We should "bring manufacturing back" or something. Quite why is very difficult to understand. There seems to be some idea that making things in huge sheds is a well [...]

www.forbes.com

Professional Services are better paying jobs than manufacturing and it is what US is actually good at.... US might run a lot of Trade deficits in Goods. They run surpluses in Professional services

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Trump Trade Deficits are Goods only and doesn't account for Services which is just stupid... Services jobs are the jobs people want, better paid and better conditions...

50 million non-contributing blood sucking brown cockroaches are headed home to their shitholes…That will free up all the taxpayer funded folks servicing the cockroaches now…they’ll migrate to the manufacturing trade/profession.

 

[JohnDB]

Get fucking real....

Novartis doesn't decide to spend $23bn in a week or even 6 months... This has been in the pipeline for over a year..

I used to work for the company, they don't spend money like that...

Now look at the employment

"The new sites and extensions will be built over the next five years and are expected to create more than 1,000 jobs for skilled workers like engineers and scientists as well as another 3,000 support staff and construction jobs, Novartis said."

4,000, that is small by manufacturing levels...

I would say that this is going to be mainly Manufacturing and do the same as there plant in Austria...

Reality only 4% of the cost pf a drug (on average) is in manufacturing...

The R & D jobs are usually grab good local talent... Every company does that, recruit the educated kids, they are the valuable ones...

This is opportunistic and would have been announced later..

OK....
Let's look at what you said. (And most of it is true)

First you have to recognize the MME or money multiplier effect. Those 1,000 jobs directly employed by Novartis create 3-4 times the number of jobs by indirectly providing goods and services to those 1,000 people. (Drug company jobs are great jobs....almost government like in performance required but higher paying)

Secondly,
Yes, they have desired the new plants as those in India and China have become increasingly untenable for the long term. (Monetary policies and conditions). Sloppiness has resulted in many explosions and fires and loss of facilities.

Thirdly,
Trump's election success was an almost foregone conclusion (and subsequent tarrifs) for over a year. Especially when the proof of election fraud became more than just rumors and Biden's mental collapse was very evident on national television. Trump's re-election and tarrif announcement and subsequent trade war has been a foregone conclusion for most of the business world. (Despite Democrat hype to the contrary) The reality of it has only confirmed and cemented and sped up plans already made.

4th,
Drug distribution is not done the same as parcel post or Amazon does it. You will have deliveries by separate drivers and vans(or trucks) to deliver them. Some will require climate control but more importantly security as drugs are expensive. Both the ingredients coming in and the ingredients going out.

4th,
China once held the only star anise groves....they no longer do. So the production of Tamiflu and other drugs dependant on Star Anise are no longer tied to China. This has been in the planning for decades. New groves of Star Anise have been planted long ago after having to purchase 80% of Chinese groves (at inflated prices and taxes) over 30 years ago...maybe 40 now....I'm getting old as I speak.

 

[BluesLegend]

While we are on the topic of asshole China, let's discuss asshole Democrats who sold us out to China. Democrats, public enemy #1 to the working class in the U.S. Those MF'ers tax and fee and vampire suck our businesses right into bankruptcy to line their own pockets. It's hard to be competitive when Dem MF'ers are vampire sucking all the profits out of your business.

Then there's the Dem MF'ers new favorite TAX that you have to pay even if your business loses money in a tax year. The Dem's beloved business property tax. Yes Dem MF'ers figured out how to make you PAY even if you have deductions. Dem MF'ers tax every item in your business, every year, and for manufacturing the machines required are big fat juicy TAX targets for Dems. But Dem MF'ers don't stop there, they tax your pencils, your paper, your desk, printer, chair, your magazine rack in the shitter. There's nothing Dem MF'ers don't tax.

So China is only half the problem, Dem MF'ers are the other half.

 

[Harry Dresden]

So raise prices to pay for this... Other countries can do it for less... Are you saying that US consumers have to pay more for less?

So reduce the workforce by more. So your solution to labour shortage is to round up labour and export them....
How does that solve the problem?

What is that going to do... Nearly anyone who can work is working... US is 1% away from full employment....

There is a narrative that there is a bunch of people sitting at home choosing to be poor...

Do you know a lot of these people? I don't..

Are you saying that US consumers have to pay more for less?
already have been for quite a while....

 

[Dragonlady]

Raise wages, deport illegal aliens, and decrease welfare state benefits.

Can you explain how doing ANY of these things helps the US economy?????

Given that one of the goals of Project 2025 is to eliminate the minimum wage, and Trump hasn't even mentioned raising wages, please explain what Trump is doing to raise wages.

You also have said NOTHING about how deporting immigrants is going to help the US economy. In fact, it's already having the opposite effect. Your spending billions to remove people from your country with no positive economic impact as a reward.

You're reducing GDP, and wasting millions of dollars and lying about the impact of immigration on your economy.

You have the least amount of socials spending for welfare and social assistance, of any first world country, and you keep complaining about the amount you're spending. Perhaps if you spent enough to actually HELP people, your costs would go down.

Invest in education, health and housing for your people, instead of locking people up, throwing people out, and wasting your money in doing so.

 

[JohnDB]

So you want to bring textile manafaure back to North Carolina?

Are you fucking serious?

You know that is economic suicide?

Seriously, ye have to tell people this plan so they can stop laughing and tell ye hell no....

Economic suicide? Really? I remember when Springs towels were the best. The women I worked with would kill for them over the cheap ones at Walmart.

There is nothing wrong with desiring to be middle class or to want to be a humble working class family that is honest and hardworking.
Much better than to be a con artist and high stakes gambler with your lifestyle. No, it's not glitzy or flashy....but it's also a lot more secure and stable lifestyle that usually comes out miles ahead in both money and quality of life, rich in friends and family.

 

[hadit]

Hi all,

Trump is talking about bringing back manufacturing jobs but there is a problem...

America has a huge manufacturing labor shortage—and its education system is nowhere close to plugging the gap

The textile industry has a 20% worker shortage, while metal fabrication industry expects to be 400,000 workers short by 2024. There isn't a good plan to find them.

fortune.com

Understanding America’s Labor Shortage: The Most Impacted Industries

American businesses are creating hundreds of thousands of jobs each month, yet a significant number of positions still remain unfilled, especially in the professional and business service sector.

www.uschamber.com

View attachment 1099220

So the Manufacturing industry has 3.2% unemployment... 3% is considered full employment in most countries...


View attachment 1099219

So it is services that are struggling to fill vacancies most..

Manufacturing Doesn't Pay Well Nor Make Much Money - So Why Fixate On It?

One of the oddities of the current political and economic scene is that all too many people are fixated on manufacturing. We should "bring manufacturing back" or something. Quite why is very difficult to understand. There seems to be some idea that making things in huge sheds is a well [...]

www.forbes.com

Professional Services are better paying jobs than manufacturing and it is what US is actually good at.... US might run a lot of Trade deficits in Goods. They run surpluses in Professional services

View attachment 1099221

Trump Trade Deficits are Goods only and doesn't account for Services which is just stupid... Services jobs are the jobs people want, better paid and better conditions...

You're not as vulnerable to supply disruptions when you produce your own goods.

 

[Dragonlady]

While we are on the topic of asshole China, let's discuss asshole Democrats who sold us out to China. Democrats, public enemy #1 to the working class in the U.S. Those MF'ers tax and fee and vampire suck our businesses right into bankruptcy to line their own pockets. It's hard to be competitive when Dem MF'ers are vampire sucking all the profits out of your business.

Then there's the Dem MF'ers new favorite TAX that you have to pay even if your business loses money in a tax year. The Dem's beloved business property tax. Yes Dem MF'ers figured out how to make you PAY even if you have deductions. Dem MF'ers tax every item in your business, every year, and for manufacturing the machines required are big fat juicy TAX targets for Dems. But Dem MF'ers don't stop there, they tax your pencils, your paper, your desk, printer, chair, your magazine rack in the shitter. There's nothing Dem MF'ers don't tax.

So China is only half the problem, Dem MF'ers are the other half.

REPUBLICANS sold you out to China, idiot. Richard Nixon normalized relationships with Communist China. Reagan started trade with Communist China. George W. Bush pushed off shoring to raise profits.

AND TRUMP GETS ALL OF HIS CHEAP LOOKING UGLY SUITS FROM CHINA.

DEMOCRATS FOUGHT TOOTH AND CLAW AGAINST OFFSHORING.

 

[Woodznutz]

The "giant sucking sound" of our manufacturing moving overseas started 30 years ago.

It's not gonna get fixed overnight.

America suffers from a service economy mindset.....Sorry, you don't get "2-day delivery" on a manufacturing plant.

Paychecks are written as soon as the first shovel breaks ground.

 

[Woodznutz]

"Build it (modern manufacturing plants) and they (blue collar workers) will come."

 

[candycorn]

Strange how people like Trump (when he wasn’t in Politics) was outsourcing jobs to China and nobody seems to hold him accountable for that.

 

[BluesLegend]

REPUBLICANS sold you out to China, idiot. Richard Nixon normalized relationships with Communist China. Reagan started trade with Communist China. George W. Bush pushed off shoring to raise profits.

AND TRUMP GETS ALL OF HIS CHEAP LOOKING UGLY SUITS FROM CHINA.

DEMOCRATS FOUGHT TOOTH AND CLAW AGAINST OFFSHORING.

Your Canadian post has been DEPORTED back to Canada.

 

[1srelluc]

Paychecks are written as soon as the first shovel breaks ground.

That's true!

But since the subject was manufacturing jobs (not construction) I was going with that angle.

 

[westwall]

Not answering the question....

What manufacturing base.... There is no such thing as an independent manufacturing base anymore....

You are so blinded with hate you can't see how stupid the decisions are making...

Yes liberals are telling Trump for weeks that this is stupid... But so were the Markets, Business Community, Charities, International Allies....

You are so busy trying to own the libs that you can't see it is hurting everyone.

Yeah, there is. We have plants all over the country that were closed thanks to NAFTA and selling out to the Chinese.

Those plants can be opened up again.

Plus new plants can be built in a very short time.

You are just the typical surrender monkey selling your soul to the Chinese.

No more.

 

[braalian]

There is no reason both can't exist, but manufacturing needs to take priority in workers.

I've no issue with those working at some Amazon warehouse taking a manufacturing job. They will too, in droves, as manufacturing comes on-line.

If the likes of Amazon suffers as a consequence, then so be it. We need to ween ourselves from a service-based economy.

If that means my chi-com widget (hopefully soon to be a US-made widget) takes a week instead of two days to get to me then that's just fine by me.

And you still haven’t explained why we can’t fill the manufacturing openings we have NOW….

Yeah, so some DuPont factory by you has no openings, great. But go online and actually search for factory jobs. They’re all over the place. And they’re not fake. And it’s not a conspiracy.