Lesh
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How are Trump's tariffs going.
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BluesLegend
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Trump has negotiated deals worth trillions to American workers and businesses. Democrats are severely butthurt because Dems told voters for decades that our jobs were long gone and would never return.
Lesh
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kyzr
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Its not MY claim, the $18T are commitments made by foreign corporations to get favorable tariffs or regulations.
TRUMP EFFECT: A Running List of New U.S. Investment in President Trump’s Second Term
Since President Donald J. Trump took office, his unwavering commitment to revitalizing American industry has spurred trillions of dollars of investments
www.whitehouse.gov
Calling firm commitments a "fantasy" is a lie by definition.
Since you are too stupid or too lazy to do your own research, here are the first four in the commitment list. All four are firm commitments, which proves you are a LIAR.
Apple increases U.S. commitment to $600 billion, announces ambitious program
Apple announced a new $100 billion commitment to America, a significant acceleration of its U.S. commitment that now totals $600 billion over four years.
www.apple.com
Announcing The Stargate Project | SoftBank Group Corp.
The Stargate Project is a new company which intends to invest $500 billion over the next four years building new AI infrastructure for OpenAI in the United States. We will begin deploying $100 billion immediately. This infrastructure will secure American leadership in AI, create hundreds of...
Nvidia to spend $500B to manufacture AI chips in US
The chipmaker will work with TSMC, Foxconn, Amkor and others to produce its Blackwell chip and other artificial intelligence infrastructure in Arizona and Texas.
Micron Announces Massive Chips Investment, Onshoring Production
Today, the Trump Administration announced a $200 billion investment by Micron Technology, the sole U.S.-based manufacturer of advanced memory chips – only
www.whitehouse.gov
kyzr
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Good link. From your link, the $600b from Saudi Arabia is real, but it includes both "trade and investments", not commitments to new plants. The Saudis don't manufacture much that I know of, the important thing is serious "business" with US companies, with real money.
"$600 billion from Saudi Arabia even though the Saudis’ vague $600 billion pledge encompasses both “investments and trade,” not simply Saudi investment in the US"
Lesh
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So your 18 trillion in commitments is now a highly suspect 600 billion?
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You don't know what you are talking about.
Summary: What We Know So Far
| Category | Observed/Projected Effect |
|---|---|
| GDP & Growth | Lower than baseline projection; trade suppression |
| Employment | Small manufacturing gains; net jobs likely lower overall |
| Consumer Prices | Higher prices for many imported goods and inputs |
| Government Revenue | Significant increase from tariffs |
| Global Trade Relations | Retaliation and shifting alliances |
| Long-term Competitiveness | Mixed — some sectors may benefit, but many face higher costs |
Key Takeaways
- Consumers and businesses are paying higher prices due to tariffs.
- Economic growth has been restrained compared with a no-tariff baseline.
- Manufacturing has not seen a large boom — and net employment effects are modest or negative.
- Tariff revenue is higher, but this is accompanied by wider economic costs.
- Retaliatory actions and global trade shifts are complicating U.S. trade relationships.
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Slower overall economic growth
- Various economic models project that Trump’s tariffs (including broad increases across many trading partners) are expected to shrink U.S. GDP relative to what it would otherwise have been. Estimates suggest GDP could be 0.4–6% lower over time depending on policy details and modeling assumptions.
- Even moderate tariff increases can reduce growth in the short run and medium term as consumption and investment slow.
Reduced imports and trade volume
- Tariffs have significantly suppressed imports, with import values projected to fall by trillions over the next decade.
- This contributes to a smaller trade deficit but partly because domestic demand for foreign-sourced goods has weakened.
Mixed job impacts
Some studies suggest manufacturing jobs could rise modestly due to protection from foreign competition. However, these gains are often overshadowed by broader job losses in other sectors because tariffs raise costs for businesses that use imported inputs.
- Models project hundreds of thousands of net job losses by 2025 if tariffs remain in place, particularly in sectors tied to international supply chains like transportation, services, and agriculture.
Sector and regional disparities
- Manufacturing employment may get a modest boost, but consumer-facing sectors and service industries often see job losses, shifting net employment downward.
- States and regions with high trade exposure could face larger economic setbacks relative to the national average.
Higher prices for consumers & businesses
- Tariffs function as taxes on imports, and imported goods and inputs have risen in price. This contributes to higher consumer prices — especially for goods where alternatives are limited.
- Even domestic producers often pass these higher input costs onto consumers.
Inflation effects
- Analyses showed that tariffs could increase inflation by several tenths of a percentage point, reducing household real income slightly and raising everyday costs.
Tariff revenue increases
- Customs duties have risen sharply, generating tens to hundreds of billions of dollars in additional revenue for the federal government.
This revenue boost helps reduce the trade deficit mechanically and can contribute to federal receipts — but it also reflects higher costs paid by firms and consumers.
Retaliatory tariffs and global shifts
- Other countries have imposed retaliatory tariffs, which harms U.S. exporters and exacerbates trade tensions.
- Some trading partners (e.g., Canada, EU countries) are pursuing alternative deals with other global partners, potentially weakening U.S. influence in global markets.
Global trade patterns evolving
- For example, China’s trade surplus reached record highs in 2025 despite U.S. tariffs, as it shifted exports toward other world regions.
Long-term structural changes
- Tariffs can distort supply chains, causing firms to relocate production, adjust inventories, or seek alternative suppliers — sometimes raising costs rather than bringing production back to the U.S.
Risk of reduced competitiveness
- Higher input costs and trade barriers can reduce U.S. competitiveness globally — potentially limiting innovation, raising costs for downstream industries, and slowing wage growth.
candycorn
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And you’re still about $17.5 trillion short. Keep going.Its not MY claim, the $18T are commitments made by foreign corporations to get favorable tariffs or regulations.
TRUMP EFFECT: A Running List of New U.S. Investment in President Trump’s Second Term
Since President Donald J. Trump took office, his unwavering commitment to revitalizing American industry has spurred trillions of dollars of investments
Calling firm commitments a "fantasy" is a lie by definition.
Since you are too stupid or too lazy to do your own research, here are the first four in the commitment list. All four are firm commitments, which proves you are a LIAR.
Apple increases U.S. commitment to $600 billion, announces ambitious program
Apple announced a new $100 billion commitment to America, a significant acceleration of its U.S. commitment that now totals $600 billion over four years.www.apple.com
Announcing The Stargate Project | SoftBank Group Corp.
The Stargate Project is a new company which intends to invest $500 billion over the next four years building new AI infrastructure for OpenAI in the United States. We will begin deploying $100 billion immediately. This infrastructure will secure American leadership in AI, create hundreds of...group.softbank
Nvidia to spend $500B to manufacture AI chips in US
The chipmaker will work with TSMC, Foxconn, Amkor and others to produce its Blackwell chip and other artificial intelligence infrastructure in Arizona and Texas.www.manufacturingdive.com
Micron Announces Massive Chips Investment, Onshoring Production
Today, the Trump Administration announced a $200 billion investment by Micron Technology, the sole U.S.-based manufacturer of advanced memory chips – only
A Quarter Ounce of silver costs nearly $20.00 more today than a Full Ounce of silver cost a year ago. Last year at this time, I was buying a full ounce round of silver for around $30.00. Today, I bought 4 quarter ounce rounds for $51.00 each. That mirrors the true value of today's dollar. The dollar is in rapid decline. This is the real reason Trump is grabbing land and resources from Venezuela and other land masses (possibly).
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How are Trump's tariffs going? The purpose was to reduce the trade deficit and bring jobs back to the USA.
In 2025 the US lost 49,000 manufacturing jobs and our trade deficit was up.
The tariffs should reduce China's sales to the USA and reduce their trade surplus. Just the opposite happened. The Chinese trade surplus was up substantially in 2025. The growth came from China increasing their trade with countries other than the USA.
U.S. Trade Deficit Up, Manufacturing Jobs Down by 49,000, Other Manufacturing Growth Measures Mixed in First Nine Months of 2025 - U.S. Trade Deficit Up, Manufacturing Jobs Down by 49,000, Other Manufacturing Growth Measures Mixed in First Nine Month
Rethink Trade today published an infographic webpage compiling trade and manufacturing data that show in the first nine months of his second term, President Trump’s actions on trade have not accomplished his promises to quickly balance trade and revitalize U.S. manufacturing.www.economicliberties.us
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How are Trump's tariffs going? The purpose was to reduce the trade deficit and bring jobs back to the USA.
In 2025 the US lost 49,000 manufacturing jobs and our trade deficit was up.
The tariffs should reduce China's sales to the USA and reduce their trade surplus. Just the opposite happened. The Chinese trade surplus was up substantially in 2025. The growth came from China increasing their trade with countries other than the USA.
U.S. Trade Deficit Up, Manufacturing Jobs Down by 49,000, Other Manufacturing Growth Measures Mixed in First Nine Months of 2025 - U.S. Trade Deficit Up, Manufacturing Jobs Down by 49,000, Other Manufacturing Growth Measures Mixed in First Nine Month
Rethink Trade today published an infographic webpage compiling trade and manufacturing data that show in the first nine months of his second term, President Trump’s actions on trade have not accomplished his promises to quickly balance trade and revitalize U.S. manufacturing.
UPDATE
January 19, 2026
Americans, not foreigners, are bearing almost the entire cost of U.S. tariffs, according to new research that contradicts a key claim by Trump and suggests he might have a weaker hand in a reemerging trade war with Europe.
Trump has repeatedly claimed that his historic tariffs, deployed aggressively over the past year as both a revenue-raising and foreign-policy tool, will be paid for by foreigners...
kyzr
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It is still $18T in commitments, just not all in new manufacturing plants, it is (plants + investments.)
kyzr
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The $18T is real money, just not all new manufacturing plants, it is (plants + investments)
kyzr
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US consumers only pay tariffs if they buy foreign products. Even then they pay about 67% of the tariffs, not "almost all".
candycorn
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100% of the tariff revenue is from taxes paid by Americans
schmidlap
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Your spat with the Wall Street Journal is taken for what it's worth.
candycorn
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You didn't read the fine print in one of your "commitments" there pal...
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Its pie in the sky.
Even if it does get built...$500B...it's pretty unclear what $500B is going to mean to John Q. Public...it's an AI entity...few real jobs are being created. There will be a temporary bounce in construction but once thats done...zilch. That it's being built in Texas means that they're not paying a cent in taxes (which is why they built it there).
dudmuck
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Trump is going berserk with his tariffs. He's now threading Canada with 100% tariffs if they make a trade agreement with China.. Last t time I checked Canada was an independent country over which trump has no jurisdiction. They had been a great ally. All this is now changing. Distrust is growing and that great relationship is definitely at risk. I'm waiting for the whole world to tell trump to go **** himself that's next.
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The trade deficits SKYROCKETED.How are Trump's tariffs going? The purpose was to reduce the trade deficit and bring jobs back to the USA.
In 2025 the US lost 49,000 manufacturing jobs and our trade deficit was up.
The tariffs should reduce China's sales to the USA and reduce their trade surplus. Just the opposite happened. The Chinese trade surplus was up substantially in 2025. The growth came from China increasing their trade with countries other than the USA.
U.S. Trade Deficit Up, Manufacturing Jobs Down by 49,000, Other Manufacturing Growth Measures Mixed in First Nine Months of 2025 - U.S. Trade Deficit Up, Manufacturing Jobs Down by 49,000, Other Manufacturing Growth Measures Mixed in First Nine Month
Rethink Trade today published an infographic webpage compiling trade and manufacturing data that show in the first nine months of his second term, President Trump’s actions on trade have not accomplished his promises to quickly balance trade and revitalize U.S. manufacturing.
The economically illiterate President's tariffs are an ABJECT FAILURE.
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