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Population control marched on triumphantly during and beyond the Nixon Administration. After the Supreme Court legalized abortion nationwide in 1973, population controllers pressed hard, and often successfully, for public subsidy of abortions for poor women. Because they presented this as a humanitarian good, eugenicists were able to get credit for doing what they had always done: suppressing the birth rate of poor people and non-whites."
How Eugenics and Population Control Led to Abortion
Except that didn't happen.
Here's the birth rate for every year in the 1970s..
Live Births and Birth Rates, by Year — Infoplease.com
1970 3,731,386 18.4
1971 3,555,970 17.2
1972 3,258,411 15.6
1973 3,136,965 14.9
1974 3,159,958 14.9
1975 3,144,198 14.8
1976 3,167,788 14.8
1977 3,326,632 15.4
1978 3,333,279 15.3
1979 3,494,398 15.9
There was no huge drop between 1972 and 1974 after Roe v. Wade. In fact, the birth rate levelled off (It had been dropping since the mid 1960s when the birth control pill was introduced) and then started creeping up again.
Because the reality was, abortion was already happening in the back alleys and "someone who can take care of that" houses for the poor, while the rich just flew to somewhere it was legal or had a medical professional quietly take care of it.
And quite the contrary, despite what you say about it being a plot to kill non-whites, since 1973, non-whites have increased as a percentage of the population, not decreased.
Read more: Live Births and Birth Rates, by Year Infoplease.com Live Births and Birth Rates, by Year — Infoplease.com
Actually, the black population is only one percent higher than anticipated. And that's probably because the sterilization part of the plan never took off.
At any rate, "it didn't work" isn't exactly an argument. In fact,you sound disappointed.
Except that didn't happen.
Here's the birth rate for every year in the 1970s..
Live Births and Birth Rates, by Year — Infoplease.com
1970 3,731,386 18.4
1971 3,555,970 17.2
1972 3,258,411 15.6
1973 3,136,965 14.9
1974 3,159,958 14.9
1975 3,144,198 14.8
1976 3,167,788 14.8
1977 3,326,632 15.4
1978 3,333,279 15.3
1979 3,494,398 15.9
There was no huge drop between 1972 and 1974 after Roe v. Wade. In fact, the birth rate levelled off (It had been dropping since the mid 1960s when the birth control pill was introduced) and then started creeping up again.
Because the reality was, abortion was already happening in the back alleys and "someone who can take care of that" houses for the poor, while the rich just flew to somewhere it was legal or had a medical professional quietly take care of it.
And quite the contrary, despite what you say about it being a plot to kill non-whites, since 1973, non-whites have increased as a percentage of the population, not decreased.
Read more: Live Births and Birth Rates, by Year Infoplease.com Live Births and Birth Rates, by Year — Infoplease.com
Actually, the black population is only one percent higher than anticipated. And that's probably because the sterilization part of the plan never took off.
At any rate, "it didn't work" isn't exactly an argument. In fact,you sound disappointed.
You're just not very smart, are you? The point was NOT that the birth rate went down.
The point was, that there were just as many abortions happening before Roe as after, about 1.3 million a year. It wasn't like women who were having babies in 1972 were now having abortions in 1974. Nope. The same amount of babies were being born, the same amount of pregnancies were being terminated.
Except that didn't happen.
Here's the birth rate for every year in the 1970s..
Live Births and Birth Rates, by Year — Infoplease.com
1970 3,731,386 18.4
1971 3,555,970 17.2
1972 3,258,411 15.6
1973 3,136,965 14.9
1974 3,159,958 14.9
1975 3,144,198 14.8
1976 3,167,788 14.8
1977 3,326,632 15.4
1978 3,333,279 15.3
1979 3,494,398 15.9
There was no huge drop between 1972 and 1974 after Roe v. Wade. In fact, the birth rate levelled off (It had been dropping since the mid 1960s when the birth control pill was introduced) and then started creeping up again.
Because the reality was, abortion was already happening in the back alleys and "someone who can take care of that" houses for the poor, while the rich just flew to somewhere it was legal or had a medical professional quietly take care of it.
And quite the contrary, despite what you say about it being a plot to kill non-whites, since 1973, non-whites have increased as a percentage of the population, not decreased.
Read more: Live Births and Birth Rates, by Year Infoplease.com Live Births and Birth Rates, by Year — Infoplease.com
Actually, the black population is only one percent higher than anticipated. And that's probably because the sterilization part of the plan never took off.
At any rate, "it didn't work" isn't exactly an argument. In fact,you sound disappointed.
You're just not very smart, are you? The point was NOT that the birth rate went down.
The point was, that there were just as many abortions happening before Roe as after, about 1.3 million a year. It wasn't like women who were having babies in 1972 were now having abortions in 1974. Nope. The same amount of babies were being born, the same amount of pregnancies were being terminated.
Actually, the black population is only one percent higher than anticipated. And that's probably because the sterilization part of the plan never took off.
At any rate, "it didn't work" isn't exactly an argument. In fact,you sound disappointed.
You're just not very smart, are you? The point was NOT that the birth rate went down.
The point was, that there were just as many abortions happening before Roe as after, about 1.3 million a year. It wasn't like women who were having babies in 1972 were now having abortions in 1974. Nope. The same amount of babies were being born, the same amount of pregnancies were being terminated.
Are you speaking legal or illegal?
If illegal then they must be estimates
It would be interesting to see where the stats come from
Actually, the black population is only one percent higher than anticipated. And that's probably because the sterilization part of the plan never took off.
At any rate, "it didn't work" isn't exactly an argument. In fact,you sound disappointed.
You're just not very smart, are you? The point was NOT that the birth rate went down.
The point was, that there were just as many abortions happening before Roe as after, about 1.3 million a year. It wasn't like women who were having babies in 1972 were now having abortions in 1974. Nope. The same amount of babies were being born, the same amount of pregnancies were being terminated.
Are you speaking legal or illegal?
If illegal then they must be estimates
It would be interesting to see where the stats come from
You're a liar. That's all, you loon.
Those stats come directly from his ass, which is where his brain and his soul also reside.
Abortions increased exponentially after RvW, and continued to rise year by year until, I do believe, 1990 or thereabouts.
And there are no stats regarding illegal abortions pro RvW but the consensus is that the numbers were significantly lower than they were once it became legal to use murder as birth control. Because ultimately, most women, no matter how dimly you view them, are not, by and large, CRIMINAL. When abortion is illegal, most don't get them.
You're just not very smart, are you? The point was NOT that the birth rate went down.
The point was, that there were just as many abortions happening before Roe as after, about 1.3 million a year. It wasn't like women who were having babies in 1972 were now having abortions in 1974. Nope. The same amount of babies were being born, the same amount of pregnancies were being terminated.
Are you speaking legal or illegal?
If illegal then they must be estimates
It would be interesting to see where the stats come from
Well, no, the stats are of the number of babies actually born. Assuming- correctly, that the same amount of women found themselves with unexpected pregnancies in 1972 as in 1974 (probably a safe guess) then it is logical to also conclude that the same percentage of them were ending them in abortion.
It was the era of free love, baby, before AIDS and Herpese came along and screwed everything up and the moral majority turned us into a bunch of prudes.
Women before RvW weren't getting pregnant to start with, because they knew if they did, they would be having a baby.
As stated, those numbers come out of your ass.
Well, no, the stats are of the number of babies actually born. Assuming- correctly, that the same amount of women found themselves with unexpected pregnancies in 1972 as in 1974 (probably a safe guess) then it is logical to also conclude that the same percentage of them were ending them in abortion.
It was the era of free love, baby, before AIDS and Herpese came along and screwed everything up and the moral majority turned us into a bunch of prudes.
Perhaps
But it is a big assumption on your part
One would have to look at the number of adoptions before and after to get a better estimate
And at the total number of live births
"Although few reliable statistics are available on the number of abortions performed before legalization, the numbers performed between the late 1960s and mid-1970s are believed to represent substantial increases.13 "
Did Abortion Legalization Reduce the Number Of Unwanted Children? Evidence from Adoptions
Well, no, the stats are of the number of babies actually born. Assuming- correctly, that the same amount of women found themselves with unexpected pregnancies in 1972 as in 1974 (probably a safe guess) then it is logical to also conclude that the same percentage of them were ending them in abortion.
It was the era of free love, baby, before AIDS and Herpese came along and screwed everything up and the moral majority turned us into a bunch of prudes.
Perhaps
But it is a big assumption on your part
One would have to look at the number of adoptions before and after to get a better estimate
And at the total number of live births
Well, there's a couple of problems with that.
First, the numbers of births record all births, regardless of what happened to the baby. That number didn't go down between 1970 and 1975. It stayed flat. The birth rate DID drop in the early 1960's. But that was because a number of other birth control methods were introduced at that time, particularly the birth control pill.
Second, adoptions aren't an accurate barometer (and I really haven't been able to find a reliable source on numbers pre-1973, and there might not be any). Because a child adopted at 10 is as much an adoption as one adopted at birth.
Show me where I said or wrote, "You've stated that you support it. You want to eliminate the poor, minority children of the world."
I say this truthfully and sadly that if you truly believe that, based on what we have written in this thread, that you are insane.
Oh! I'm sorry - I thought that was established WEEKS ago.
Why don't you just say why you think abortion should be legal, and save me the search. You and I have discussed this many times, and you always rely on the argument that abortion prevents child abuse/neglect and crime. Which of course means you wish to eliminate the population from which those crimes spring...the poor minority population.
"Although few reliable statistics are available on the number of abortions performed before legalization, the numbers performed between the late 1960s and mid-1970s are believed to represent substantial increases.13 "
Did Abortion Legalization Reduce the Number Of Unwanted Children? Evidence from Adoptions
I notice the selective editing there....
The number of adoptions rose from 91,000 in 1957 to 175,000 in 1970, then fell to 130,000 by 1975; the decline of the early 1970s coincided with the legalization of abortion.10 During this period, the population of women of childbearing age (15-49) grew steadily, birthrates among unmarried women rose and total birthrates fell.11 The decline in adoptions appears most dramatic among unmarried teenagers.12 Although few reliable statistics are available on the number of abortions performed before legalization, the numbers performed between the late 1960s and mid-1970s are believed to represent substantial increases.13
Wow, the WHOLE paragraph paints a totally different picture, doesn't it?
Why don't you just say why you think abortion should be legal, and save me the search. You and I have discussed this many times, and you always rely on the argument that abortion prevents child abuse/neglect and crime. Which of course means you wish to eliminate the population from which those crimes spring...the poor minority population.
I believe abortion should be permitted for pregnancy from rape, incest, or threatens the health of the mother, all events that transcend class, race, ethnicity, and religion.
How the above extrapolates to something I have never, ever written here or anywhere (abortion prevents child abuse/neglect and crime) makes reason stare, koshergirl.
No, the lie is posting funky links and saying "this is an example of her source material" when it isn't.
And the lie is when you claim that there is any validity to any of your claims.
Now you listen carefully...when was it ever illegal to obtain an abortion for the health of the mother, or in cases of rape and incest?
That's a lie right there...when you pretend we must have assembly-line abortion on demand to accommodate women who need therapeutic abortion and who have been victims of violence. LIE.
Most of America disagrees with you that abortion should never be performed.
However, before Roe v Wade, state laws existed in the U.S. that made abortion illegal in 30 states, legal in at least one state in case of rape, in two for danger to a women's health, in thirteen in any of those cases, and only four states was it legal as a requested medical procedure.
Why can't you admit that is what you believe?
Look, another lie..and again arguing a point that was never made. Which is just a more cowardly way of lying...
