President Trump says he’ll ‘permanently pause migration’ from all ‘Third World Countries’

[JoeB131]

Fraud is bad even when it occurs under Repub administrations

But covid is a bad example because it was during an epidemic and democrat shutdown of the economy

It was s true emergency

In minnesota it was ongoing business as usual and Walz did nothing to stop it even though he knew about it

The shutdown was necessary because Trump so badly mishandled containing it in the early stages.

 

[Mac-7]

The shutdown was necessary because Trump so badly mishandled containing it in the early stages.

Nonsense

The shutdown was an overreaction mostly by freaked out democrats

 

[JoeB131]

Nonsense

The shutdown was an overreaction mostly by freaked out democrats

We lost more people to Covid than both World Wars combined. It was hardly a 'freak out".

 

[Hafar1014]

We lost more people to Covid than both World Wars combined. It was hardly a 'freak out".

The shutdown was mistake by the CDC which actually increased infections. Democrats went along with it and kept their states shut down for longer periods than GOP states.

 

[Mac-7]

We lost more people to Covid than both World Wars combined. It was hardly a 'freak out".

About the same as the spanish flu pandemic during WWI

After a few months there was no need for a shutdown

But libs were having too much fun telling everyone what to do

 

[JoeB131]

About the same as the spanish flu pandemic during WWI

After a few months there was no need for a shutdown

But libs were having too much fun telling everyone what to do

Actually, it was kind of the opposite. They ended the shutdown around June of 2020. Then you had a spike in cases and they had to do a mini shutdown again in November, after the election.

 

[Hafar1014]

Actually, it was kind of the opposite. They ended the shutdown around June of 2020. Then you had a spike in cases and they had to do a mini shutdown again in November, after the election.

A widely circulated but controversial Johns Hopkins working paper from early 2022 concluded that COVID-19 lockdowns in Europe and the U.S. had "little to no effect on COVID-19 mortality". The paper was heavily criticized by public health experts for its methodology, definitions, and lack of peer review.

Key Details of the Paper and Controversy

• Authorship: The working paper was authored by three economists—Steve Hanke of Johns Hopkins, Jonas Herby, and Lars Jonung—not public health experts or epidemiologists.
• Main Conclusion: The authors performed a meta-analysis of 34 studies and concluded that lockdowns reduced COVID-19 mortality by an average of only 0.2%. They argued that voluntary behavioral changes, not government mandates, were the primary driver of any reduction in transmission.
• Reception and Criticism: The paper generated significant media attention, especially in circles opposed to pandemic restrictions, but was met with sharp criticism from the broader scientific community.

 

[Maxdeath]

Squeal like a pig, boy....


No, you didn't.


Um, not really. She spent about a billion dollars, the same as Trump did. The problem she had was that she was a last minute replacement, and that never goes well. It didn't work in 1952 or 1968. This was definitely a self-inflicted wound.


Um, these are two big "so whats". This is Covid Money Trump was handing out, with no controls. The fraud was hardly limited to Minnesota.


They'll huff and puff, but most of them will stay because NYC is the place to be if you want to do global commerce.



Okay, let's look at that one. Why is SS in trouble? (This will probably require thinking you aren't capable of, so you'll just start squealing again.

Two reasons - Those ******* old People are living longer (HOW DARE THEY), and there aren't enough new workers coming in to replace the old ones.

On the first point, when Social Security was first proposed, the average lifespan was 62 years. If you made it to 65, you were the exception, not the rule. Now (thanks in no small part to Social Security and Medicare), the average lifespan is up to 78.

The other part of this equation is that there aren't enough new workers to replace the retiring ones. It's why the labor participation rate has been steadily declining since 2001, and its decline increased in 2011- the year the first baby boomers started retiring. That and most Americans aren't having 5 kids like my parents did. They are happy if they stop at 2.

The solution to that one is simple enough. Reform immigration so that the people sneaking under the fence come in through the front door and become productive citizens. But people like you scream "EEEEK, BROWN PEOPLE" and freak out.



We didn't get the ACA we wanted; that's the problem. What we wanted was a Public Option and a Medicare Buy-in, both of which the Republicans shot down thanks to help from Joe Lieberman (D-Israel). So what we ended up with was RomneyCare 2.0, which you Repukes were fine with until the Black Guy Did It.

The sensible solution, the one the rest of the world has figured out, is Universal Health Care/Single Payer.



You mean the World Wide Virus he completely botched the response to? And the only reason why he agreed to "help" people is because there was an election coming up, and he didn't want to get bounced out of office harder than he already was.



Probably quite a lot. Uncollected taxes account for 600 Billion a year. That would be enough to close the deficit.

IRS: The tax gap | Internal Revenue Service

The gross tax gap is the difference between true tax liability for a given tax year and the amount that is paid on time. It is comprised of the nonfiling gap, the underreporting gap, and the underpayment (or remittance) gap. The net tax gap is the portion of the gross tax gap that will never be...

www.irs.gov

80K IRS agents making $100K a year would only cost 8 billion. That would be a $592 Billion dollar ROI.

Now, because Trump is slashing the IRS, people feel more emboldened to cheat on their taxes, knowing they probably won't get caught.


Wow, another homophobic/transphobic rant. It amazes me that you guys vote for getting screwed by the plutocrats because you are afraid of the gays, until it actually happens and then you want a Democrat to save you.

Which is what happened with Biden, and Obama, and Clinton. You guys are all for this "morality" bullshit, until the economy goes into the shitter, then you suddenly don't care about it that much.

My you really are crazy aren’t you. First off dummy you are always wrong accept it. Second I have been married to a Mexican woman for years so you as usual have no clue.
While you are almost correct about social security you missed a few things. First off was that all the money that social security was only allowed to sit instead of collecting intrest or being invested. Another was that baby boomers are retiring and they paid in along with their employers. But there were a lot of the next generation that are not working or are only working part time. It started paying out to people who had never paid in or had paid in very little. It was basically a pyramid scheme.
You seem to have missed the fact that most everyone that wanted to analyze ACA was told by the democrats that they had to pass it before they could read it. So trying to blame anyone but democrats for that is bull and you know it.
Unfortunately Trump had two advisors one being Fauci. So anything you want to claim he did you should be blaming on Fauci.
I can tell you never bothered reading what I posted so I feel no need to post the articles again.
I take it you did not even read or maybe understand the article you posted about taxes. They would have only done about 208 billion.
But hey as I have said if you can’t lie you would have nothing.

 

[Hafar1014]

My you really are crazy aren’t you. First off dummy you are always wrong accept it. Second I have been married to a Mexican woman for years so you as usual have no clue.
While you are almost correct about social security you missed a few things. First off was that all the money that social security was only allowed to sit instead of collecting intrest or being invested. Another was that baby boomers are retiring and they paid in along with their employers. But there were a lot of the next generation that are not working or are only working part time. It started paying out to people who had never paid in or had paid in very little. It was basically a pyramid scheme.
You seem to have missed the fact that most everyone that wanted to analyze ACA was told by the democrats that they had to pass it before they could read it. So trying to blame anyone but democrats for that is bull and you know it.
Unfortunately Trump had two advisors one being Fauci. So anything you want to claim he did you should be blaming on Fauci.
I can tell you never bothered reading what I posted so I feel no need to post the articles again.
I take it you did not even read or maybe understand the article you posted about taxes. They would have only done about 208 billion.
But hey as I have said if you can’t lie you would have nothing.

SS is based on the Ponzi model. New money pays current obligations with no investment to offset future expenses. Its always going to run out of money. The problem is the tax is too high and return too low.

Fauci did get everything wrong.
The ACA is flawed and full of fraud which democrats dont care about

 

[Maxdeath]

SS is based on the Ponzi model. New money pays current obligations with no investment to offset future expenses. Its always going to run out of money. The problem is the tax is too high and return too low.

Fauci did get everything wrong.
The ACA is flawed and full of fraud which democrats dont care about

Well you have to realize that everything no matter what it is is always the other camps fault never the fault of democrats. At least that is what Joey and others that so entrenched in the democrats feel. They will tell any outrageous lie just to cover up the truth

 

[JoeB131]

A widely circulated but controversial Johns Hopkins working paper from early 2022 concluded that COVID-19 lockdowns in Europe and the U.S. had "little to no effect on COVID-19 mortality". The paper was heavily criticized by public health experts for its methodology, definitions, and lack of peer review.

Then why are we talking about it?

SS is based on the Ponzi model. New money pays current obligations with no investment to offset future expenses. Its always going to run out of money. The problem is the tax is too high and return too low.

No, not at all.

The problem is that we cap the tax for the rich. Make the Billionaires pay the same 6% the rest of us pay, problem solved.

Fauci did get everything wrong.

True Story. Fauci was in charge when we got hit by every other plague. What we didn't have all those other times was a narcissitic man-child who was upset that Fauci got better press and told people to inject bleach.

The ACA is flawed and full of fraud which democrats dont care about

Again, ACA is what you guys wanted- a private sector solution.

We wanted single payer.

The rest of the world figured this out.

 

[JoeB131]

Second I have been married to a Mexican woman for years so you as usual have no clue.

Yes, every MAGA racist has a (insert minorty here) something.

While you are almost correct about social security you missed a few things. First off was that all the money that social security was only allowed to sit instead of collecting intrest or being invested.

Actually, it was invested in T-Bonds. That's how the government ended up making the deficits look less bad up until 2013.

T-Bonds are a good investment, it's why until Trump came along, everyone wanted to buy them. Now, not so much.

Another was that baby boomers are retiring and they paid in along with their employers.

Yes, they did. And that was spent paying for the Silent Generation and Greatest Generation when they retired. Now the Boomers are retiring, and there aren't enough Gen X, Gen Y, and Gen Z to pay for them.

But there were a lot of the next generation that are not working or are only working part time. It started paying out to people who had never paid in or had paid in very little. It was basically a pyramid scheme.

Well, no, it was never meant to be an investment program, that was the thing.

You seem to have missed the fact that most everyone that wanted to analyze ACA was told by the democrats that they had to pass it before they could read it. So trying to blame anyone but democrats for that is bull and you know it.

Yawn, you guys focus on one quote and don't look at the whole picture, because you are simple minded.

ACA (After Leiberman sandbagged it) ended up being RomneyCare 2. In short, what you guys wanted, until the Black Guy Did It.

Unfortunately Trump had two advisors one being Fauci. So anything you want to claim he did you should be blaming on Fauci.

Nope. Fauci did his job.

Trump Disbanded the Pandemic Response Team
Threw out Obama's Pandemic Response plan
Failed to restock Medical Supplies
Pulled out of the WHO
Encouraged armed bands of loons to show up at state Capitols.
Discouraged mask wearing
Told people it would be over by Easter.
Told people it would be over by Summer
Used racist terms like "Kung Flu" and "China Virus" (leading to violence against Asian-Americans)

I can tell you never bothered reading what I posted so I feel no need to post the articles again.

Nope, I don't waste my time on wingnut links. Especially ones that try to contradict reality.

They would have only done about 208 billion.
But hey as I have said if you can’t lie you would have nothing.

Well, hummmm... 8 Billion for new employees raising 208 Billion. That's still a pretty good deal.

 

[Maxdeath]

Yes, every MAGA racist has a (insert minorty here) something.


Actually, it was invested in T-Bonds. That's how the government ended up making the deficits look less bad up until 2013.

T-Bonds are a good investment, it's why until Trump came along, everyone wanted to buy them. Now, not so much.



Yes, they did. And that was spent paying for the Silent Generation and Greatest Generation when they retired. Now the Boomers are retiring, and there aren't enough Gen X, Gen Y, and Gen Z to pay for them.



Well, no, it was never meant to be an investment program, that was the thing.



Yawn, you guys focus on one quote and don't look at the whole picture, because you are simple minded.

ACA (After Leiberman sandbagged it) ended up being RomneyCare 2. In short, what you guys wanted, until the Black Guy Did It.



Nope. Fauci did his job.

Trump Disbanded the Pandemic Response Team
Threw out Obama's Pandemic Response plan
Failed to restock Medical Supplies
Pulled out of the WHO
Encouraged armed bands of loons to show up at state Capitols.
Discouraged mask wearing
Told people it would be over by Easter.
Told people it would be over by Summer
Used racist terms like "Kung Flu" and "China Virus" (leading to violence against Asian-Americans)





Nope, I don't waste my time on wingnut links. Especially ones that try to contradict reality.



Well, hummmm... 8 Billion for new employees raising 208 Billion. That's still a pretty good deal.

Damn kid you have to be one of the dumbest liers on the internet.
Must be tough to be as racist as you.
Yes they were invested in T bills but there thing your idiot lying ass does not understand is they gain no intrest. They can only be redeemed for face value.
But hey no one ever claimed you had a clue.
You seem to think that Romney was not that great. Funny thing is it was actually the first real attempt to do any government paid health insurance and it did not require billions in subsidies. But here again your racism comes shining through. People focus on the you need to pass it to read it Because no one was given time to review ACA. Instead of the way it should have been. So there were no real changes.
Democrats threw COVID positive patients in to retirement homes where those that were most at risk were.they shut down a number of subway trains so more people were packed into less cars and told everyone they were safe to ride. They complained when a navy ship was sent to help with accident and normal medical cases, because they could not understand that the ship was not setup to handle infectious diseases. Pelosi had a love in while claiming she wanted everyone to come out and hug. Democrats rioted without masks or distancing but that was perfectly acceptable. Fauci was the one directing a lot of those things but it feels better to blame Trump.
So www.conspiracytheries is more your style. While anything that you could actually learn from is wing nut. Got it. I have to hand it to you you just are completely clueless.
But as usual you lied trying to make things better so it just shows that you really are clueless.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes they were invested in T bills but there thing your idiot lying ass does not understand is they gain no intrest. They can only be redeemed for face value.

Not sure why anyone would buy them, then. Right now, most of our debt is in T-bills held by Japan, Europe, and China.

God Help us if they get sick of Trump's shit and sell them all off.

You seem to think that Romney was not that great. Funny thing is it was actually the first real attempt to do any government paid health insurance and it did not require billions in subsidies.

Again, Romneycare was what you guys wanted, and it DID require billions in tax subsidies to pay for. It's why he had to make nice with Ted Kennedy to get federal support.

Democrats threw COVID positive patients in to retirement homes where those that were most at risk were.they shut down a number of subway trains so more people were packed into less cars and told everyone they were safe to ride.

Ah, that again. The patients already lived at the Nursing Homes, they were sent home when their cases weren't serious and kept in isolation. The Hospitals, you see, were overwealmed and could only deal with the critical cases.

They complained when a navy ship was sent to help with accident and normal medical cases, because they could not understand that the ship was not setup to handle infectious diseases.

They complained because it was a cheap publicity stunt. These ships were not set up for dealing with hospital patients; they were set up to deal with combat wounded. No doctor was going to send his patient to a hospital ship to have an E-4 work on them.

Pelosi had a love in while claiming she wanted everyone to come out and hug.

When did she say that? Be specific? Because I know she said something like that when MAGAts were going around beating up Asians in Chinatown.

Democrats rioted without masks or distancing but that was perfectly acceptable.

People (not just Democrats) rioted because they were sick and tired of black people being murdered by cops.

Fauci was the one directing a lot of those things but it feels better to blame Trump.

I gave you a whole list of things he did that things so much worse.

 

[Maxdeath]

Not sure why anyone would buy them, then. Right now, most of our debt is in T-bills held by Japan, Europe, and China.

God Help us if they get sick of Trump's shit and sell them all off.



Again, Romneycare was what you guys wanted, and it DID require billions in tax subsidies to pay for. It's why he had to make nice with Ted Kennedy to get federal support.



Ah, that again. The patients already lived at the Nursing Homes, they were sent home when their cases weren't serious and kept in isolation. The Hospitals, you see, were overwealmed and could only deal with the critical cases.


They complained because it was a cheap publicity stunt. These ships were not set up for dealing with hospital patients; they were set up to deal with combat wounded. No doctor was going to send his patient to a hospital ship to have an E-4 work on them.


When did she say that? Be specific? Because I know she said something like that when MAGAts were going around beating up Asians in Chinatown.



People (not just Democrats) rioted because they were sick and tired of black people being murdered by cops.


I gave you a whole list of things he did that things so much worse.

Damn child you are so indoctrinated you lied trying to and pretend that you have a clue. I find you hardly worth the time of day..

 

[JoeB131]

Damn child you are so indoctrinated you lied trying to and pretend that you have a clue. I find you hardly worth the time of day..

Your concession is duly noted.

 

[Maxdeath]

Your concession is duly noted.

Concession nothing. Just tired of dealing with a retard

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Concession nothing. Just tired of dealing with a retard

.

Isn't it cute how, after you've knocked them flat on the mat, they still try to convince everyone that they've won!

Three more years of this is almost the wonderful gift that four years of it was.

Anyway, it's a truckload of fun!

.

 

[Hafar1014]

Not sure why anyone would buy them, then. Right now, most of our debt is in T-bills held by Japan, Europe, and China.

God Help us if they get sick of Trump's shit and sell them all off.



Again, Romneycare was what you guys wanted, and it DID require billions in tax subsidies to pay for. It's why he had to make nice with Ted Kennedy to get federal support.



Ah, that again. The patients already lived at the Nursing Homes, they were sent home when their cases weren't serious and kept in isolation. The Hospitals, you see, were overwealmed and could only deal with the critical cases.


They complained because it was a cheap publicity stunt. These ships were not set up for dealing with hospital patients; they were set up to deal with combat wounded. No doctor was going to send his patient to a hospital ship to have an E-4 work on them.


When did she say that? Be specific? Because I know she said something like that when MAGAts were going around beating up Asians in Chinatown.



People (not just Democrats) rioted because they were sick and tired of black people being murdered by cops.


I gave you a whole list of things he did that things so much worse.

Blacks are murdered mostly by blacks not cops

 

[JoeB131]

Concession nothing. Just tired of dealing with a retard

Must suck to lose an argument to someone you consider lesser.

Again, your concession is duly noted. Pretending everything is fine is hilarious, but we all know the Economy is going into the shitter.