President Trump orders attack on Venezuelan drug runners at sea

[berg80]

Trump Claims the Power to Summarily Kill Suspected Drug Smugglers​

By ordering the U.S. military to summarily kill a group of people aboard what he said was a drug-smuggling boat, President Trump used the military in a way that had no clear legal precedent or basis, according to specialists in the laws of war and executive power.

Mr. Trump is claiming the power to shift maritime counterdrug efforts from law enforcement rules to wartime rules. The police arrest criminal suspects for prosecution and cannot instead simply gun suspects down, except in rare circumstances where they pose an imminent threat to someone.

By contrast, in armed conflicts, troops can lawfully kill enemy combatants on sight.

Because killing people is so extreme — and doing it without due process risks killing the wrong people by mistake — the question of which rules apply is not simply a matter of policy choice. Domestic and international law both set standards constraining when presidents and nations can lawfully use wartime force.

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As has been the case in a number of instances when trump has ordered legally dubious actions, his government now finds itself scrambling to identify a legal justification. For Don, more often than not it comes down to "because I wanted to, now stop me."

But the trafficking of an illegal consumer product is not a capital offense, and Congress has not authorized armed conflict against cartels.

That raises the question of whether Mr. Trump has legitimate authority to tell the military to summarily kill people it suspects are smuggling drugs — and whether the administration allowed career military lawyers to weigh in.

“It’s difficult to imagine how any lawyers inside the Pentagon could have arrived at a conclusion that this was legal rather than the very definition of murder under international law rules that the Defense Department has long accepted,” said Ryan Goodman, a New York University law professor who worked as a Pentagon lawyer in 2015 and 2016.

Our prez has for a long time considered himself to be above domestic laws. Now he's added international law to the list.

 

[Winco]

and they think the tater is insane.

 

[Hafar1014]

Trump Claims the Power to Summarily Kill Suspected Drug Smugglers​

By ordering the U.S. military to summarily kill a group of people aboard what he said was a drug-smuggling boat, President Trump used the military in a way that had no clear legal precedent or basis, according to specialists in the laws of war and executive power.

Mr. Trump is claiming the power to shift maritime counterdrug efforts from law enforcement rules to wartime rules. The police arrest criminal suspects for prosecution and cannot instead simply gun suspects down, except in rare circumstances where they pose an imminent threat to someone.

By contrast, in armed conflicts, troops can lawfully kill enemy combatants on sight.

Because killing people is so extreme — and doing it without due process risks killing the wrong people by mistake — the question of which rules apply is not simply a matter of policy choice. Domestic and international law both set standards constraining when presidents and nations can lawfully use wartime force.

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As has been the case in a number of instances when trump has ordered legally dubious actions, his government now finds itself scrambling to identify a legal justification. For Don, more often than not it comes down to "because I wanted to, now stop me."

But the trafficking of an illegal consumer product is not a capital offense, and Congress has not authorized armed conflict against cartels.

That raises the question of whether Mr. Trump has legitimate authority to tell the military to summarily kill people it suspects are smuggling drugs — and whether the administration allowed career military lawyers to weigh in.

“It’s difficult to imagine how any lawyers inside the Pentagon could have arrived at a conclusion that this was legal rather than the very definition of murder under international law rules that the Defense Department has long accepted,” said Ryan Goodman, a New York University law professor who worked as a Pentagon lawyer in 2015 and 2016.

Our prez has for a long time considered himself to be above domestic laws. Now he's added international law to the list.

Only a democrat will oppose stopping a terrorist smuggling drugs into America. Democrats are now the party of criminals. Trump is absolutely in is constitutional authority to attack these terrorists just as Jefferson sank pirate ships.

 

[TNHarley]

I think the only real argument here, is that they are legally deemed a terrorist org. With that, the war powers and join resolution from congress say he basically has the power to do that.
For the record, I do not agree with those resolutions. I do not agree with congress giving the president powers that do not exist. Their power is enumerated.

 

[Lesh]

Only a democrat will oppose stopping a terrorist smuggling drugs into America. Democrats are now the party of criminals. Trump is absolutely in is constitutional authority to attack these terrorists just as Jefferson sank pirate ships.

I’m absolutely in favor of stopping illegal smuggling.

But having the military just blow a boat out of the water is troubling at best

No due process

The possibility of deadly mistakes (we’ve seen this admin make some doozies… Garcia comes to mind)

Not to mention the fact that Trump is turning our military into executioners

I have to wonder at the people who launched those missiles.

Whether they considered that they might be following illegal orders… with deadly consequences

 

[kyzr]

In the war on terror there are no rules. There is no Geneva Convention.
Drugs are killing 80,000 Americans a year, that has to stop, one way or another.

I support killing every narco-terrorist manufacturing or distributing illicit drugs,

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

Trump Claims the Power to Summarily Kill Suspected Drug Smugglers​

By ordering the U.S. military to summarily kill a group of people aboard what he said was a drug-smuggling boat, President Trump used the military in a way that had no clear legal precedent or basis, according to specialists in the laws of war and executive power.

Mr. Trump is claiming the power to shift maritime counterdrug efforts from law enforcement rules to wartime rules. The police arrest criminal suspects for prosecution and cannot instead simply gun suspects down, except in rare circumstances where they pose an imminent threat to someone.

By contrast, in armed conflicts, troops can lawfully kill enemy combatants on sight.

Because killing people is so extreme — and doing it without due process risks killing the wrong people by mistake — the question of which rules apply is not simply a matter of policy choice. Domestic and international law both set standards constraining when presidents and nations can lawfully use wartime force.

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As has been the case in a number of instances when trump has ordered legally dubious actions, his government now finds itself scrambling to identify a legal justification. For Don, more often than not it comes down to "because I wanted to, now stop me."

But the trafficking of an illegal consumer product is not a capital offense, and Congress has not authorized armed conflict against cartels.

That raises the question of whether Mr. Trump has legitimate authority to tell the military to summarily kill people it suspects are smuggling drugs — and whether the administration allowed career military lawyers to weigh in.

“It’s difficult to imagine how any lawyers inside the Pentagon could have arrived at a conclusion that this was legal rather than the very definition of murder under international law rules that the Defense Department has long accepted,” said Ryan Goodman, a New York University law professor who worked as a Pentagon lawyer in 2015 and 2016.

Our prez has for a long time considered himself to be above domestic laws. Now he's added international law to the list.

Although I voted for Trump twice, I am worried that he wants to become a dictator.

 

[marvin martian]

Trump Claims the Power to Summarily Kill Suspected Drug Smugglers​

By ordering the U.S. military to summarily kill a group of people aboard what he said was a drug-smuggling boat, President Trump used the military in a way that had no clear legal precedent or basis, according to specialists in the laws of war and executive power.

Mr. Trump is claiming the power to shift maritime counterdrug efforts from law enforcement rules to wartime rules. The police arrest criminal suspects for prosecution and cannot instead simply gun suspects down, except in rare circumstances where they pose an imminent threat to someone.

By contrast, in armed conflicts, troops can lawfully kill enemy combatants on sight.

Because killing people is so extreme — and doing it without due process risks killing the wrong people by mistake — the question of which rules apply is not simply a matter of policy choice. Domestic and international law both set standards constraining when presidents and nations can lawfully use wartime force.

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As has been the case in a number of instances when trump has ordered legally dubious actions, his government now finds itself scrambling to identify a legal justification. For Don, more often than not it comes down to "because I wanted to, now stop me."

But the trafficking of an illegal consumer product is not a capital offense, and Congress has not authorized armed conflict against cartels.

That raises the question of whether Mr. Trump has legitimate authority to tell the military to summarily kill people it suspects are smuggling drugs — and whether the administration allowed career military lawyers to weigh in.

“It’s difficult to imagine how any lawyers inside the Pentagon could have arrived at a conclusion that this was legal rather than the very definition of murder under international law rules that the Defense Department has long accepted,” said Ryan Goodman, a New York University law professor who worked as a Pentagon lawyer in 2015 and 2016.

Our prez has for a long time considered himself to be above domestic laws. Now he's added international law to the list.

Obama summarily executed a couple of American citizens during his term. Where were you then?

 

[Polishprince]

Your libs have distorted view of reality.

They have no problem with shooting an unarmed woman in the Capitol, but Tren De Aragua lives matter, and we have to let them transport their poison to America?

 

[jackflash]

Trump Claims the Power to Summarily Kill Suspected Drug Smugglers​

By ordering the U.S. military to summarily kill a group of people aboard what he said was a drug-smuggling boat, President Trump used the military in a way that had no clear legal precedent or basis, according to specialists in the laws of war and executive power.

Mr. Trump is claiming the power to shift maritime counterdrug efforts from law enforcement rules to wartime rules. The police arrest criminal suspects for prosecution and cannot instead simply gun suspects down, except in rare circumstances where they pose an imminent threat to someone.

By contrast, in armed conflicts, troops can lawfully kill enemy combatants on sight.

Because killing people is so extreme — and doing it without due process risks killing the wrong people by mistake — the question of which rules apply is not simply a matter of policy choice. Domestic and international law both set standards constraining when presidents and nations can lawfully use wartime force.

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As has been the case in a number of instances when trump has ordered legally dubious actions, his government now finds itself scrambling to identify a legal justification. For Don, more often than not it comes down to "because I wanted to, now stop me."

But the trafficking of an illegal consumer product is not a capital offense, and Congress has not authorized armed conflict against cartels.

That raises the question of whether Mr. Trump has legitimate authority to tell the military to summarily kill people it suspects are smuggling drugs — and whether the administration allowed career military lawyers to weigh in.

“It’s difficult to imagine how any lawyers inside the Pentagon could have arrived at a conclusion that this was legal rather than the very definition of murder under international law rules that the Defense Department has long accepted,” said Ryan Goodman, a New York University law professor who worked as a Pentagon lawyer in 2015 and 2016.

Our prez has for a long time considered himself to be above domestic laws. Now he's added international law to the list.

"He that rules the roost, maketh thine rules!

 

[Rawley]

I’m absolutely in favor of stopping illegal smuggling.

But having the military just blow a boat out of the water is troubling at best

No due process

The possibility of deadly mistakes (we’ve seen this admin make some doozies… Garcia comes to mind)

Not to mention the fact that Trump is turning our military into executioners

I have to wonder at the people who launched those missiles.

Whether they considered that they might be following illegal orders… with deadly consequences

Due process for drug smuggling terrorists. Damn, your hatred for the President really is that deep.

 

[scruffy]

Trump Claims the Power to Summarily Kill Suspected Drug Smugglers​

By ordering the U.S. military to summarily kill a group of people aboard what he said was a drug-smuggling boat, President Trump used the military in a way that had no clear legal precedent or basis, according to specialists in the laws of war and executive power.

Mr. Trump is claiming the power to shift maritime counterdrug efforts from law enforcement rules to wartime rules. The police arrest criminal suspects for prosecution and cannot instead simply gun suspects down, except in rare circumstances where they pose an imminent threat to someone.

By contrast, in armed conflicts, troops can lawfully kill enemy combatants on sight.

Because killing people is so extreme — and doing it without due process risks killing the wrong people by mistake — the question of which rules apply is not simply a matter of policy choice. Domestic and international law both set standards constraining when presidents and nations can lawfully use wartime force.

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www.nytimes.com

As has been the case in a number of instances when trump has ordered legally dubious actions, his government now finds itself scrambling to identify a legal justification. For Don, more often than not it comes down to "because I wanted to, now stop me."

But the trafficking of an illegal consumer product is not a capital offense, and Congress has not authorized armed conflict against cartels.

That raises the question of whether Mr. Trump has legitimate authority to tell the military to summarily kill people it suspects are smuggling drugs — and whether the administration allowed career military lawyers to weigh in.

“It’s difficult to imagine how any lawyers inside the Pentagon could have arrived at a conclusion that this was legal rather than the very definition of murder under international law rules that the Defense Department has long accepted,” said Ryan Goodman, a New York University law professor who worked as a Pentagon lawyer in 2015 and 2016.

Our prez has for a long time considered himself to be above domestic laws. Now he's added international law to the list.

lmao

Obama killed a US citizen.

Pirates have always been fair game.

This is nothing new.

 

[Nostra]

Trump Claims the Power to Summarily Kill Suspected Drug Smugglers​

By ordering the U.S. military to summarily kill a group of people aboard what he said was a drug-smuggling boat, President Trump used the military in a way that had no clear legal precedent or basis, according to specialists in the laws of war and executive power.

Mr. Trump is claiming the power to shift maritime counterdrug efforts from law enforcement rules to wartime rules. The police arrest criminal suspects for prosecution and cannot instead simply gun suspects down, except in rare circumstances where they pose an imminent threat to someone.

By contrast, in armed conflicts, troops can lawfully kill enemy combatants on sight.

Because killing people is so extreme — and doing it without due process risks killing the wrong people by mistake — the question of which rules apply is not simply a matter of policy choice. Domestic and international law both set standards constraining when presidents and nations can lawfully use wartime force.

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www.nytimes.com

As has been the case in a number of instances when trump has ordered legally dubious actions, his government now finds itself scrambling to identify a legal justification. For Don, more often than not it comes down to "because I wanted to, now stop me."

But the trafficking of an illegal consumer product is not a capital offense, and Congress has not authorized armed conflict against cartels.

That raises the question of whether Mr. Trump has legitimate authority to tell the military to summarily kill people it suspects are smuggling drugs — and whether the administration allowed career military lawyers to weigh in.

“It’s difficult to imagine how any lawyers inside the Pentagon could have arrived at a conclusion that this was legal rather than the very definition of murder under international law rules that the Defense Department has long accepted,” said Ryan Goodman, a New York University law professor who worked as a Pentagon lawyer in 2015 and 2016.

Our prez has for a long time considered himself to be above domestic laws. Now he's added international law to the list.

Remember when Barry Hussein droned an American overseas?

No trial.

No conviction.

Barry just offed him.






Can you link us to your pissy pants thread in that?

 

[marvin martian]

lmao

Obama killed a US citizen.

Pirates have always been fair game.

This is nothing new.

Two US citizens (that we know about).

 

[Rambunctious]

Trump Claims the Power to Summarily Kill Suspected Drug Smugglers​

By ordering the U.S. military to summarily kill a group of people aboard what he said was a drug-smuggling boat, President Trump used the military in a way that had no clear legal precedent or basis, according to specialists in the laws of war and executive power.

Mr. Trump is claiming the power to shift maritime counterdrug efforts from law enforcement rules to wartime rules. The police arrest criminal suspects for prosecution and cannot instead simply gun suspects down, except in rare circumstances where they pose an imminent threat to someone.

By contrast, in armed conflicts, troops can lawfully kill enemy combatants on sight.

Because killing people is so extreme — and doing it without due process risks killing the wrong people by mistake — the question of which rules apply is not simply a matter of policy choice. Domestic and international law both set standards constraining when presidents and nations can lawfully use wartime force.

Loading…

www.nytimes.com

As has been the case in a number of instances when trump has ordered legally dubious actions, his government now finds itself scrambling to identify a legal justification. For Don, more often than not it comes down to "because I wanted to, now stop me."

But the trafficking of an illegal consumer product is not a capital offense, and Congress has not authorized armed conflict against cartels.

That raises the question of whether Mr. Trump has legitimate authority to tell the military to summarily kill people it suspects are smuggling drugs — and whether the administration allowed career military lawyers to weigh in.

“It’s difficult to imagine how any lawyers inside the Pentagon could have arrived at a conclusion that this was legal rather than the very definition of murder under international law rules that the Defense Department has long accepted,” said Ryan Goodman, a New York University law professor who worked as a Pentagon lawyer in 2015 and 2016.

Our prez has for a long time considered himself to be above domestic laws. Now he's added international law to the list.

Why do you think they were classified as a terrorist group?... so now TDS is making the libs defend drug cartels who have killed millions of Americans over the years.... go away you traitorous pig berg80 ....

 

[BluesLegend]

Trump Claims the Power to Summarily Kill Suspected Drug Smugglers​

And?????? WTF you Dem traitor POS's?? Drug smugglers have killed over 200,000 Americans with their poison. They are lucky we don't nuke their MF'ing asses off the planet!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BULLDOG]

The question, now, is how the military responds. Will they evaluate the attack as to whether trump's order was a legal order, or a breach of international law? Will they refuse illegal orders in the future?

 

[BluesLegend]

GAWD I take a few days off from the forum then come back to this vile Dem shit, the filthy vermin defending drug smugglers. Dems do earth a favor and stop breeding.

 

[BluesLegend]

Note to drug smuggling filth, attempt to smuggle drugs into the U.S. AND get mowed down with machine guns, rockets and bombs you assholes!

 

[Delldude]

The secretary said in Mexico City that drug cartels and traffickers, including those on the boat, “pose an immediate threat to the United States, period.”

Venezuelan Navy now on the offensive?