President Trump orders attack on Venezuelan drug runners at sea

[Meathead]

How am I dishonest? Is it a war or isn’t it? Quit dancing around the question.

I can live with these "Trump wars". They seem to be very short and successful.

 

[citygator]

I “am” saying what I actually said.

And I wrote about it in greater detail on this very thread.

If we deem this a criminal matter, then international law permits us to stop any effort on the high seas to smuggle in these deadly drugs. And assuming that commands to the vessel had been disregarded and warning shots had been given, then the Coast Guard was also authorized, by our laws, to interdict that fleeing boat by firing directly into it.

If we instead view it as exclusively. Military operation, that too is authorized by law. (And they sure as were the enemy seeking to poison our people with a large amount of fentanyl.)

Either way, the missile (?) made them all go bye bye. I don’t weep for them and I don’t criticize America for defending itself against the actions of a criminal cartel.

Look. I am no fan of alleged drug dealers but I am also no fan of a single person deciding who lives and who dies as justice - why are you ok with it? That isnt how we operate as a nation, or at least didnt.

These were not enemy combatants. These were alleged smugglers. I certainly dont have all the details but if we are going to kill people we ought to make a case.

Shit, when they accidently deported that one guy they used a Bulls jersey as evidence he was a gang member. Its clear this administration will say pretty much anything to justify their actions. Remember when Trump said that guy really had MS13 tatood? He lied about that and it covered no one's death. How about a minutia of doubt from you?

 

[justoffal]

he promised he would go after the cartels when he was campaigning ..

And said specifically that he would use the military..

 

[drudge X]

Half the MAGA in this thread.

Are you saying the same?

 

[Delldude]

These were not enemy combatants. These were alleged smugglers. I certainly dont have all the details but if we are going to kill people we ought to make a case.

Everyone on that boat would have been ID'd. TdA is a designated terrorist organization. Those running the drugs were members.

Didn't read the article, huh?

 

[citygator]

Everyone on that boat would have been ID'd. TdA is a designated terrorist organization. Those running the drugs were members.

Didn't read the article, huh?

Sure. From the team that tried to sell this lie.

 

[Bootstraps]

How am I dishonest? Is it a war or isn’t it? Quit dancing around the question.

You're accusing me of dancing around that question when I'm the one who asked you, and you still haven't given a definitive yes or no? That's cute. You went so far beyond deflection that you placed the burden of answering back on the person who asked, and then acted indignant. That's actually pretty impressive. It's even a first for me to witness that sort of mental gymnastic. I'm not even worried about you hurting yourself because that was one hell of a stretch. I'll tell you what though, if you can actually give a clear yes or no answer, I'll do the same.

Seriously though, that's just ******* funny.

 

[Meathead]

Look. I am no fan of alleged drug dealers but I am also no fan of a single person deciding who lives and who dies as justice - why are you ok with it? That isnt how we operate as a nation, or at least didnt.

These were not enemy combatants. These were alleged smugglers. I certainly dont have all the details but if we are going to kill people we ought to make a case.

Shit, when they accidently deported that one guy they used a Bulls jersey as evidence he was a gang member. Its clear this administration will say pretty much anything to justify their actions. Remember when Trump said that guy really had MS13 tatood? He lied about that and it covered no one's death. How about a minutia of doubt from you?

Hope he likes Uganda. Pity Idi Amin is still not in charge.

 

[justoffal]

Everyone on that boat would have been ID'd. TdA is a designated terrorist organization. Those running the drugs were members.

Didn't read the article, huh?

That was the end of an extended intelligence and surveillance operation. They Navy knew it was a drug running boat. Bang! Poof!

 

[BackAgain]

Half the MAGA in this thread.

In other words; nobody at all said any such thing. And Konnie knows it.

 

[citygator]

Hope he likes Uganda. Pity Idi Amin is still not in charge.

Yawn. Internet poster says something. Meanwhile Maryland Judge has something else to say. You should be concerned over the spite from the Trump administration over this immigrant. They trumped up a criminal charge in backwoods Tennessee. Have bent over backwards to punish this guy. Makes you wonder about these "terrorists" they just offed. I wouldnt be surprised to find out they were saving baby seals.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia fights to stay in the U.S. while battling three court cases

March 12, when he was pulled over by ICE officers while driving with his son on his way home from a worksite in Baltimore. He was on the phone with his wife, Jennifer Vasquez Sura, and told her he had pulled into the parking lot of an Ikea when an officer “put his lights on.”

When an officer got to Abrego’s car, according to Vasquez Sura, they told him to roll down the windows and step out of the vehicle. Abrego told the officer his son was in the back seat and had special needs. In a sworn declaration, she said officers then hung up the call, and minutes later someone called back, identified themself as a person with the Department of Homeland Security, and told her she needed to get there in 10 minutes to pick up her son or they would “call child protective services.”

 

[Meathead]

Yawn. Internet poster says something. Meanwhile Maryland Judge has something else to say. You should be concerned over the spite from the Trump administration over this immigrant. They trumped up a criminal charge in backwoods Tennessee. Have bent over backwards to punish this guy. Makes you wonder about these "terrorists" they just offed. I wouldnt be surprised to find out they were saving baby seals.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia fights to stay in the U.S. while battling three court cases

March 12, when he was pulled over by ICE officers while driving with his son on his way home from a worksite in Baltimore. He was on the phone with his wife, Jennifer Vasquez Sura, and told her he had pulled into the parking lot of an Ikea when an officer “put his lights on.”

When an officer got to Abrego’s car, according to Vasquez Sura, they told him to roll down the windows and step out of the vehicle. Abrego told the officer his son was in the back seat and had special needs. In a sworn declaration, she said officers then hung up the call, and minutes later someone called back, identified themself as a person with the Department of Homeland Security, and told her she needed to get there in 10 minutes to pick up her son or they would “call child protective services.”

Feeble. I understand Kinshasa's beautiful this time of year, though Mogadishu is lovely too. I would have preferred the latter for this thug.

 

[justoffal]

Who said Trump is bombing Venezuela? Got a link for that?

Journalistic filigree bullshit ...
He took out a boat of Venezuelan drug runners ergo they mutate that ridiculously into Bombing Venezuela. This happens ALL THE TIME with these guys.

 

[BackAgain]

Look. I am no fan of alleged drug dealers but I am also no fan of a single person deciding who lives and who dies as justice - why are you ok with it? That isnt how we operate as a nation, or at least didnt.

These were not enemy combatants. These were alleged smugglers. I certainly dont have all the details but if we are going to kill people we ought to make a case.

Shit, when they accidently deported that one guy they used a Bulls jersey as evidence he was a gang member. Its clear this administration will say pretty much anything to justify their actions. Remember when Trump said that guy really had MS13 tatood? He lied about that and it covered no one's death. How about a minutia of doubt from you?

Im not a fan of war. But sometimes they get fought. And when the war is justified, I’m not gonna complain about “war” in general.

I’m know fan of the taking of human life, but our criminal laws have long recognized the right to use force (even deadly physical force) when you or others are in immediate peril of being killed or injured by the other person.

In the same vein, in time of war, aiming a rifle at an advancing enemy soldier and intentionally pulling the trigger isn’t “murder.” It is a killing, no question, but it’s not a crime.

The USA has been and is being flooded with deadly drugs like fentanyl and newer even more potent and lethal shit. We, as a nation, are not required to just sit back and take it. And I have a large problem with any U.S. President who declines to take action against it.

Doing it so visibly is intended to send a message to the other drug runners (from, but not limited to just those from Venezuela) that if they’d like to avoid the same fate as those particular 11 guys from Venezuela just received, they will need to stop trying to deliver any controlled substances to America.

It’s called the theory of “general deference.” But if it has failed to deter them, I am at ease over the probable same thing happening to them. In increasing numbers.

 

[Delldude]

Sure. From the team that tried to sell this lie.

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Don't believe anything from the right.

Sure. From the team that tried to sell this lie.

Thanks for admitting you can't be objective.

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[protectionist]

Putin continues to bomb Kyiv. Was a war ended? What happened to Trump’s red line.

Neva hoid'v it.

 

[konradv]

Are you saying the same?

Acknowledge what I said.

 

[konradv]

You're accusing me of dancing around that question when I'm the one who asked you, and you still haven't given a definitive yes or no? That's cute. You went so far beyond deflection that you placed the burden of answering back on the person who asked, and then acted indignant. That's actually pretty impressive. It's even a first for me to witness that sort of mental gymnastic. I'm not even worried about you hurting yourself because that was one hell of a stretch. I'll tell you what though, if you can actually give a clear yes or no answer, I'll do the same.

Seriously though, that's just ******* funny.

I asked the original question, not you.

 

[konradv]

In other words; nobody at all said any such thing. And Konnie knows it.

MAGA lies.

 

[konradv]

Neva hoid'v it.

Of course not, when it’s something Trump said that turns not to be true.