President Donald J. Trump’s Great Healthcare Plan

Yes. I have had the same doctor for decades, and yes, I have been under the ACA. How about you show us just one example of someone that lost their doctor. Until I see that, I call horseshit. You pick a plan in which your doctor is in the network. If he is not, you ask him if he would join it. Not that damn hard.

Now, to health care costs. Health care inflation decreased significantly after the ACA. So yes, health care costs are lower than they would otherwise be, for so many reasons. Not the least of which, more people have health insurance. Emergency rooms prior to the ACA will full 24/7. Now, not so much. Think that has an impact on cost, all that uncompensated care that has been eliminated?

Is you healthcare subsidized by taxpayers?


 
Obamacare. No one will ever realize how significant it is.

So, I walked off the job a week ago. I never needed the job anyway. Took it as a favor to an old friend. I could see the writing on the wall. It was time to go.

So, Health Insurance. Under my employer I had a PPO plan with a $6,000 deductible, per person, and a $12,000 out of pocket limit. They took $200 a week from my paycheck. Sure, preventive services were covered at no cost, thank you Obamacare. But everything else, from doctor's visits to prescription drugs, was subject to the deductible. Some surgeries, some hospital stays, we hit the out of pocket limit last year. Fully expect to this year.

On the exchange, what you call Obamacare, I have a $2,100 deductible, a $4,200 out of pocket limit. I have co-pays for doctors visits, $25, specialist, $45. And that is from the first dollar, no deductible. My premium, $145 a MONTH. Trump wants to talk about putting money in people's pocket. Let's crunch the numbers.

I was paying $800 a month in premium, actually more but not playing that 4.3 game. So I save $650 a month in premiums. Hit the out of pocket limit again, well I have reduced that by almost $8,000 dollars. I mean we are talking almost $20,000 a year that Obamacare has just put in my pocket. You get back to me when Trump's plan can improve that.
I hear these numbers thrown around and just shake my head. I've had health insurance in every job I've ever had and since I retired and I've NEVER paid anything close to those numbers. Granted, I've seen inflation in the cost of the insurance but nothing even close to the numbers you quote. I'd find a new insurance salesman because you're getting screwed.
 
I hear these numbers thrown around and just shake my head. I've had health insurance in every job I've ever had and since I retired and I've NEVER paid anything close to those numbers. Granted, I've seen inflation in the cost of the insurance but nothing even close to the numbers you quote. I'd find a new insurance salesman because you're getting screwed.

Obamacare exploded the cost of healthcare. He's was the BFF of the insurance companies.


"Congress did what Obama requested. But talk of reducing premiums by $2,500 per family disappeared. Instead, researchers reported that in Ohio, Obamacare regulations would themselves increase “individual health insurance market premiums…by 55% to 85% above current market average rates” in year one. Obamacare premiums continued to climb at three times the rate of inflation, even after the Congressional Budget Office reported that Obamacare had doubled premiums for most enrollees.

Obamacare attempts to hide those excessive premiums from enrollees by having taxpayers subsidize them. Somewhere along the line, however, supporters realized the subsidies weren’t keeping up with their premiums. In 2021, Congress created additional, temporary premium subsidies for enrollees earning up to $600,000 per year. Obamacare made health insurance so unaffordable, Congress began offering households earning $500,000 premium subsidies of up to $7,000.

Those subsidies expire at the end of 2025. At the same time, we learned this week, Obamacare premiums will rise an average of 26 percent. Unlike Anthem’s 2010 premium hikes, these increases affect not “almost a million” people but all 24 million Obamacare enrollees plus 25 million uninsured folks."


 
Obamacare exploded the cost of healthcare. He's was the BFF of the insurance companies.


"Congress did what Obama requested. But talk of reducing premiums by $2,500 per family disappeared. Instead, researchers reported that in Ohio, Obamacare regulations would themselves increase “individual health insurance market premiums…by 55% to 85% above current market average rates” in year one. Obamacare premiums continued to climb at three times the rate of inflation, even after the Congressional Budget Office reported that Obamacare had doubled premiums for most enrollees.

Obamacare attempts to hide those excessive premiums from enrollees by having taxpayers subsidize them. Somewhere along the line, however, supporters realized the subsidies weren’t keeping up with their premiums. In 2021, Congress created additional, temporary premium subsidies for enrollees earning up to $600,000 per year. Obamacare made health insurance so unaffordable, Congress began offering households earning $500,000 premium subsidies of up to $7,000.

Those subsidies expire at the end of 2025. At the same time, we learned this week, Obamacare premiums will rise an average of 26 percent. Unlike Anthem’s 2010 premium hikes, these increases affect not “almost a million” people but all 24 million Obamacare enrollees plus 25 million uninsured folks."


I'm not denying that Obamacare was bad law. Affordable health insurance doesn't need subsidies. My point is that apparently there were reasonable insurance alternatives out there because I had great insurance during that time and I never paid those ridiculous high rates or deductibles.
 
I hear these numbers thrown around and just shake my head. I've had health insurance in every job I've ever had and since I retired and I've NEVER paid anything close to those numbers. Granted, I've seen inflation in the cost of the insurance but nothing even close to the numbers you quote. I'd find a new insurance salesman because you're getting screwed.
First, it is a family plan. At times, I was covering six people. I mean I got six children, the youngest just turned 26 last year. I mean I get it, if you have only had insurance on yourself, through employer provided health insurance, well hell yeah it is inexpensive, your employer pays the majority. But the family, well that is a different animal.

Me, I have seen it all and had it all. Starting out, married, we both worked for the same employer and we both covered each other. LOL, in those days, hell we got double compensated and pocketed cash. I probably saved 200% on my health insurance premium. I got PAID.

Well, they figured that out after a while, but by that time I had made money having two children. Then, it was back to school, and yeah, I ran naked. Kids were on Medicaid. Next step, OMG, the "black card". Thirty years ago, premium was two grand a month, I paid half, company paid half. No deductible, no co-pay, no nothing. I swear, when we showed up at the emergency room upon occasion balloons and confetti fell out of the ceiling. I mean the intake person leaped into action every time. Tells you something. And not going to lie, pretty nice feeling. Like a fast pass at an amusement park.

Then back to the naked again. Got minimal coverage a little later. Then got hired by an employer that paid it all, even a family plan. Pretty sweet. Lasted a couple years. But then, it was back to the mainstream. Small companies, large companies, always looking to improve. I saw it first hand, from both sides. Big companies, cheap health insurance, small companies, sometimes "ouch". For those small companies, one person could swing the difference, a disabled child, spouse with chronic illness. Do you have any idea how fubared that is?

Sorry, typing at 150 words a minute sometimes creates screeds. Obamacare, which is kind of an insult, it really is the ACA, it really did good work. It did lower the slope of health care inflation. And it improved the quality of hospital care, from my own personal experience with family, to real numbers from, now, mandatory patient surveys. But most importantly, it eliminated the ball and chain that was employer sponsored health insurance. That resulted in a massive increase in productivity, and maybe more importantly, ingenuity.

Was it perfect? Hell no, when it was being drafted, I went off the rails sometimes and still have disagreements. But, at is core, it was the most landmark piece of legislation to pass in half a century. I am quite confident historians will see it the same.

But we have yet to see a real plan, I don't even think an introduced bill. Maybe, the right has found their new abortion issue. Talk alot, do nothing. Because obviously, they jumped the shark on abortion, and perhaps immigration now as well.
 
First, it is a family plan. At times, I was covering six people. I mean I got six children, the youngest just turned 26 last year. I mean I get it, if you have only had insurance on yourself, through employer provided health insurance, well hell yeah it is inexpensive, your employer pays the majority. But the family, well that is a different animal.

Me, I have seen it all and had it all. Starting out, married, we both worked for the same employer and we both covered each other. LOL, in those days, hell we got double compensated and pocketed cash. I probably saved 200% on my health insurance premium. I got PAID.

Well, they figured that out after a while, but by that time I had made money having two children. Then, it was back to school, and yeah, I ran naked. Kids were on Medicaid. Next step, OMG, the "black card". Thirty years ago, premium was two grand a month, I paid half, company paid half. No deductible, no co-pay, no nothing. I swear, when we showed up at the emergency room upon occasion balloons and confetti fell out of the ceiling. I mean the intake person leaped into action every time. Tells you something. And not going to lie, pretty nice feeling. Like a fast pass at an amusement park.

Then back to the naked again. Got minimal coverage a little later. Then got hired by an employer that paid it all, even a family plan. Pretty sweet. Lasted a couple years. But then, it was back to the mainstream. Small companies, large companies, always looking to improve. I saw it first hand, from both sides. Big companies, cheap health insurance, small companies, sometimes "ouch". For those small companies, one person could swing the difference, a disabled child, spouse with chronic illness. Do you have any idea how fubared that is?

Sorry, typing at 150 words a minute sometimes creates screeds. Obamacare, which is kind of an insult, it really is the ACA, it really did good work. It did lower the slope of health care inflation. And it improved the quality of hospital care, from my own personal experience with family, to real numbers from, now, mandatory patient surveys. But most importantly, it eliminated the ball and chain that was employer sponsored health insurance. That resulted in a massive increase in productivity, and maybe more importantly, ingenuity.

Was it perfect? Hell no, when it was being drafted, I went off the rails sometimes and still have disagreements. But, at is core, it was the most landmark piece of legislation to pass in half a century. I am quite confident historians will see it the same.

But we have yet to see a real plan, I don't even think an introduced bill. Maybe, the right has found their new abortion issue. Talk alot, do nothing. Because obviously, they jumped the shark on abortion, and perhaps immigration now as well.

Are the taxpayers helping to pay your health insurance with subsidies?
 
I hear these numbers thrown around and just shake my head. I've had health insurance in every job I've ever had and since I retired and I've NEVER paid anything close to those numbers. Granted, I've seen inflation in the cost of the insurance but nothing even close to the numbers you quote. I'd find a new insurance salesman because you're getting screwed.

I watched people I know get crushed by the annual increases of their health insurance for their families AFTER Democrats promised to reduce the premiums with Obamacare. It was all a lie.
 

USMB progressives have been begging for the plan. Enjoy. 😉
It’s going to be yuge.
So, Obamacare but with stingier financial assistance. Cool.
 
Do you pay taxes?
The same ones as you do. Did you not read my post about tax pool?

Do you guys pay health insurance?

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When you try to concentrate on one part, tax, it's then a dishonest arguement. When you consider the full picture, you end up paying more in the US. You should vote and campaign for a proper healthcare system.
 
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If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
I certainly did
And so did 90% of the insured
Including you, apparently

So what is your *****?
Black Kenyan right?
 
I watched people I know get crushed by the annual increases of their health insurance for their families AFTER Democrats promised to reduce the premiums with Obamacare. It was all a lie.
Yeah, I know. I had employer sponsored and union health plans. The family made no difference in employee contribution. Single or family of 10 was the same premium. Both of us were working and the insurance companies were at each others throats to pay but we didn't pay anything but deductibles and our portion of the premium. Group plans are definitely the best and most affordable plans but the ACA is not. The taxpayer is not responsible for subsidizing others' health insurance.
 
Yeah, I know. I had employer sponsored and union health plans. The family made no difference in employee contribution. Single or family of 10 was the same premium. Both of us were working and the insurance companies were at each others throats to pay but we didn't pay anything but deductibles and our portion of the premium. Group plans are definitely the best and most affordable plans but the ACA is not. The taxpayer is not responsible for subsidizing others' health insurance.

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Is anyone thinking trump's "written on a McDonald's napkin" healthcare plan will do anything to help at all?

He is kinda throwing some of the big corporate interests under the bus, which is always a good thing, but really only verbally without doing much about it.

Basically it's not a plan at all but a buck-passing statement.

The democrats gave us the losusy over priced system we have today... just like they gave us unaffordability... now Trump has to try and fix it with dems standing in his way...
 
Is anyone thinking trump's "written on a McDonald's napkin" healthcare plan will do anything to help at all?

He is kinda throwing some of the big corporate interests under the bus, which is always a good thing, but really only verbally without doing much about it.

Basically it's not a plan at all but a buck-passing statement.


Whatever Trumps healthcare plan is you’ll be told to hate it and you will obey.
 
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