Zone1 Pray for the Iranian people, many comparisons right now to the Book of Esther.

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Exactly! You reject the salvation of Jesus

Your understanding of what Jesus taught and who he claimed to be is diametrically opposite of wht the gospels present in a concerted fashion.

who taught the only right way to understand the figurative words and hidden subjects of the Law by not acting on his words but instead you worship the Antichrist, a false substitute counterfeit ascetic Jesus, with all the powerful "miracles of the lie" that scripture is to be taken literally, the spawn of a false Roman trinity.

This is you trying to deceive others into not worshipping Jesus. The only thing hidden in the OT that Jesus corrected is that the Messiah must suffer, die, and be resurrected to bring salvation to both Jews and Gentiles. Everything you present as a hidden message is a perversion of scripture intended to deceive others into not worshipping Jesus.

Every time you celebrate at mass the death of Jesus, an innocent man, you're practicing the "perfect human sacrifice" of the Jewish Messiah on the Mithran cross to a Roman trinity.

Your conspiracy theory timeline is off by hundreds of years. Jewish Christians began worshipping Jesus as divine immediately after he rose from the dead.

Shithead.

This is you at war. There is no peace in you because your god is Satan.

In fact everyone crucified on the Mithran cross was a human sacrifice to a Roman trinity.

No. The claim that everyone crucified on a "Mithran cross" was a human sacrifice to a "Roman trinity" is inaccurate and is not supported by historical evidence.
Based on historical, archaeological, and academic records:

• No "Mithran Cross": There is no archaeological evidence for a specific "Mithran cross" used for crucifixion in the cult of Mithras. Mithras was typically depicted as a young man in Persian clothing slaying a bull (tauroctony), not being killed on a cross.
• Crucifixion Purpose: Roman crucifixion was a form of capital punishment, not a religious sacrifice. It was used primarily as a political tool to deter rebellion and punish slaves, pirates, and enemies of the Roman state.
• Mithraic Rituals: Mithraism focused on the sacrifice of a sacred bull (tauroctony) to symbolize the creation of life and a communal meal among worshippers, not human sacrifice.
• No "Roman Trinity" Sacrifice: While Romans occasionally practiced human sacrifice in extreme crisis, it was legally abolished around 100 BC. There is no record of a "Roman Trinity" to which humans were sacrificed via crucifixion.
• Initiate Marking: There is some evidence that initiates into the cult of Mithras were marked on the forehead, but scholars disagree on whether this was a sign of the cross, a tattoo, or a mark of any kind.
  
  
  The Tertullian Project +4

The idea that Jesus’ crucifixion was a copycat of a Mithraic sacrifice has no basis in ancient sources

Your conspiracy theory timeline is off by hundreds of years. Jewish Christians began worshipping Jesus as divine immediately after he rose from the dead.

 

[hobelim]

The only thing hidden in the OT that Jesus corrected is that the Messiah must suffer, die, and be resurrected to bring salvation to both Jews and Gentiles.

That is just ignorance of the OT and what Jesus taught. "The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it BURIED IT AGAIN."

Your conspiracy theory timeline is off by hundreds of years. Jewish Christians began worshipping Jesus as divine immediately after he rose from the dead.

Anyone who worshiped or worships Jesus as if he was the spawn of a Roman trinity failed the test, the test Jesus told his "sleeping" disciples to pray to be spared, just like everyone who turned to the bronze statue of a serpent that Moses made failed the test for 1000 years.

Until Hezekiah was born, did what is right, and destroyed the bronze statue of a serpent.

You worship the Antichrist. His indelible signature is tattooed in the middle of your forehead.

 

[hobelim]

The claim that everyone crucified on a "Mithran cross" was a human sacrifice to a "Roman trinity" is inaccurate and is not supported by historical evidence.

Thats just another lie. I am very impressed by what your beliefs have done to your soul.

* Mithra was born on December 25th. Called "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun", it was incorporated into the church in the 4th century AD as the birthday of Christ. Although Jesus was born in October, Christians today celebrate Mithra's birthday, believing it was Jesus' birthday.

* Mithra' birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi (the root of the word magician) who brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock

* He was considered a great travelling teacher and master.

* He had 12 companions or disciples, which in Mithraism were represented by the 12 astrological signs.

* He performed miracles.

* He was buried in a tomb.

* After three days he rose again, but with no witnesses to the event

* His triumph over death and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the Mithran's most important festival, Easter, held at the spring equinox when the sun rises toward its apogee

* Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."

* He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."

* In the cult's rituals, Mithra was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.

* His sacred day was Sunday, and was called "the Lord's Day" hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

* Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra' body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull

* Mithra performed many miracles, including raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, casting out devils.

* Mithra was said to carry keys to the kingdom of heaven.

* Mithra was called the god of light and truth, the god of mediation between god and man. He was to his worshippers The creator of life; The Mediator between man and the higher gods; The God of light; The All-seeing one; The Guardian of oaths (covenants); The Protector of the righteous in this world and also in the next.

* A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

Before returning to heaven, Mithra was said to have celebrated a Last Supper with followers, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with the Mithran cross of light. This was one of the seven Mithraic sacraments, believed to be the models for the Christians' seven sacraments, which follow them identically. It was called mizd, latin missa, English mass. Mithra' image was buried in a rock tomb, the same sacred cave that represented his mother's womb. He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

Mithraism was an ascetic, anti-female religion. Its priesthood consisted of celibate men only.

 

[hobelim]

The idea that Jesus’ crucifixion was a copycat of a Mithraic sacrifice has no basis in ancient sources

Mithraism was the secret Babylonian MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman government and military. SECRET until it became compulsory for the empire. Just think of how much hatred for the one Hebrew God is expressed in the worship of a trinity and deep seated contempt for Jesus, the Messiah, expressed by perverting his teaching, WORDS from God, into bread made by human hands that you turn to for spiritual life eat and then flush down the toilet.

Not to mention the trouble the government and military went through to eliminate every pagan religion, practice, and pantheon of gods to replace it with one religion dedicated to expressing hatred for the Hebrew God and their Messiah Jesus who was just a Jewish man.

Gee, I wonder what Jesus the man might have said and done to piss them off so much? lol.

Whatever is written about what anyone believed in the first century doesn't conceal the fact that what you do at mass is morally and ethically reprehensible. You celebrate the "human sacrifice" of Jesus, an innocent Jewish man, to a Roman trinity, throwing Jesus under he bus (What a guy!) to save yourself but instead have only cursed yourself. You failed the test.

Pinche payaso.

You are hereby sentenced to indefinite after school detention where you can study and get your shit together or continue to jerk off like you've been doing for your entire life in hell.

 

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Thats just another lie. I am very impressed by what your beliefs have done to your soul.

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* Mithra was born on December 25th. Called "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun", it was incorporated into the church in the 4th century AD as the birthday of Christ. Although Jesus was born in October, Christians today celebrate Mithra's birthday, believing it was Jesus' birthday.

* Mithra' birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi (the root of the word magician) who brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock

* He was considered a great travelling teacher and master.

* He had 12 companions or disciples, which in Mithraism were represented by the 12 astrological signs.

* He performed miracles.

* He was buried in a tomb.

* After three days he rose again, but with no witnesses to the event

* His triumph over death and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the Mithran's most important festival, Easter, held at the spring equinox when the sun rises toward its apogee

* Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."

* He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."

* In the cult's rituals, Mithra was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.

* His sacred day was Sunday, and was called "the Lord's Day" hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

* Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra' body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull

* Mithra performed many miracles, including raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, casting out devils.

* Mithra was said to carry keys to the kingdom of heaven.

* Mithra was called the god of light and truth, the god of mediation between god and man. He was to his worshippers The creator of life; The Mediator between man and the higher gods; The God of light; The All-seeing one; The Guardian of oaths (covenants); The Protector of the righteous in this world and also in the next.

* A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

Before returning to heaven, Mithra was said to have celebrated a Last Supper with followers, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with the Mithran cross of light. This was one of the seven Mithraic sacraments, believed to be the models for the Christians' seven sacraments, which follow them identically. It was called mizd, latin missa, English mass. Mithra' image was buried in a rock tomb, the same sacred cave that represented his mother's womb. He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

Mithraism was an ascetic, anti-female religion. Its priesthood consisted of celibate men only.

Google disagrees with your conspiracy theory.

The claim that everyone crucified on a "Mithran cross" was a human sacrifice to a "Roman trinity" is inaccurate and is not supported by historical evidence.

Based on historical, archaeological, and academic records:

• No "Mithran Cross": There is no archaeological evidence for a specific "Mithran cross" used for crucifixion in the cult of Mithras. Mithras was typically depicted as a young man in Persian clothing slaying a bull (tauroctony), not being killed on a cross.
• Crucifixion Purpose: Roman crucifixion was a form of capital punishment, not a religious sacrifice. It was used primarily as a political tool to deter rebellion and punish slaves, pirates, and enemies of the Roman state.
• Mithraic Rituals: Mithraism focused on the sacrifice of a sacred bull (tauroctony) to symbolize the creation of life and a communal meal among worshippers, not human sacrifice.
• No "Roman Trinity" Sacrifice: While Romans occasionally practiced human sacrifice in extreme crisis, it was legally abolished around 100 BC. There is no record of a "Roman Trinity" to which humans were sacrificed via crucifixion.
• Initiate Marking: There is some evidence that initiates into the cult of Mithras were marked on the forehead, but scholars disagree on whether this was a sign of the cross, a tattoo, or a mark of any kind.

The idea that Jesus’ crucifixion was a copycat of a Mithraic sacrifice has no basis in ancient sources

Your conspiracy theory timeline is off by hundreds of years. Jewish Christians began worshipping Jesus as divine immediately after he rose from the dead.

 

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Mithraism was the secret Babylonian MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman government and military. SECRET until it became compulsory for the empire. Just think of how much hatred for the one Hebrew God is expressed in the worshiping a trinity and deep seated contempt for Jesus, the Messiah, expressed by turning his teaching, WORDS from God, into bread made by human hands that you turn to for spiritual life eat and then flush down the toilet.

Not to mention the trouble the government and military went through to eliminate every pagan religion, practice, and pantheon of gods to replace it with one religion dedicated to expressing hatred for the Hebrew God and their Messiah Jesus who was just a Jewish man.

Gee, I wonder what Jesus might have said and done to make them hate him so much? lol...

Whatever is written about what anyone believed in the first century doesn't conceal the fact that what you do at mass is morally and ethically reprehensible. You celebrate the "human sacrifice" of Jesus, an innocent Jewish man, to a Roman trinity, throwing Jesus under he bus (What a guy!) to save yourself but instead have only cursed yourself. You failed the test.

Pinche payaso.

You are hereby sentenced to indefinite after class detention where you can either study and get your shit together or continue to jerk off like you've been doing for your entire life in hell.

That's some conspiracy theory you have there.

Do you have any links to your batshit crazy conspiracy theory that aren't from militant atheist websites?

 

[hobelim]

That's some conspiracy theory you have there.

Yes, Mind blowing, isn't it?

You may not realize this Virginia, being oblivious all the time, in a state of grace, lol, but evil people conspire with each other to do evil things all the time and you've been schnookered.

Real good.


Damn crafty them 4th century Romans!

 

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Yes, you may not realize this Virginia, being oblivious all the time, in a state of grace, lol, but evil people conspire with each other to do evil things all the time and you've been schnookered.

Real good.


Damn crafty them 4th century Romans!

Walk me through that conspiracy theory. I'm assuming Paul was at the head of it, right? Who else was in on it?

 

[hobelim]

Walk me through that conspiracy theory. I'm assuming Paul was at the head of it, right? Who else was in on it?

Walk your through it again? lol. Nah.. You're on your own pal. All the pieces fit perfectly.

 

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alang1216 would you agree that IF there was a conspiracy to portray Jesus as God, that Paul would have had to have been involved in it?

I'm not saying you believe that. I'm asking you that if that were the case, would Paul have had to have been one of the ring leaders of that conspiracy. Does this seem reasonable and logical to you?

 

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Walk your through it again? lol. I don't think so. You're on your own pal. All the pieces fit perfectly.

At least tell me if you believe Paul was in on it or not. It's a fair question.

 

[hobelim]

At least tell me if you believe Paul was in on it or not. It's a fair question.

buh bye.

 

[ding]

Walk your through it again?

It would be the first time. You have never done it. If you had, you would have already linked to it. You are lying.

 

[ding]

buh bye.

alang1216 are you seeing this?

 

[ding]

buh bye.

What was it you said about Paul? Do you remember?

Paul was a Roman shill who told Christians to submit to Nero OR ELSE. A guilt ridden self loathing masochistic homophobic misogynist who infiltrated the movement to curse the Gentiles and insure the Jewish people would never accept Jesus, who he hated, as the messiah by promoting Mithraism, the secret Babylonian MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman government and military under the name of a substitute counterfeit Jesus, the Antichrist.

Why are you now afraid of saying Paul was a ring leader in the conspiracy to turn Jesus into God?

 

[hobelim]

alang1216 are you seeing this?

Pathetic. ding

"A curse on the man who turns to man and seeks his support from humankind."

 

[hobelim]

Why are you now afraid of saying Paul was a ring leader in the conspiracy to turn Jesus into God?

lol. You are a joker. You're in way over your head, out of your league, bit off more than you can chew, overmatched, underprepared, baffled, stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I tried to warn you.

¿Por quién diablos me ha tomado oiga usted señor? ¿A qué viene ese maltrato sin justificación? Tenga mucho cuidado en su proceder, no me obligue a enseñarle lo que yo sé.

Remember? No? Thats a shame.

Pinche payaso.

Fudd.

a.k.a. ding, dingbat, dingo, a brave, routed, defender of "the faith" in lies, a lilly white cur.



Whatever is written about what anyone "believed" in the first century doesn't conceal the fact that what you do at mass is morally and ethically reprehensible. You celebrate the "human sacrifice" of Jesus, an innocent Jewish man, to a Roman trinity, throwing Jesus under the bus (What a guy!) in a vain attempt to save yourself from paying the penalty for your own sins but instead have only cursed yourself. You failed the test.

What then? How is it that you don't know the only right course to take now, believer? pft.

 

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lol. You are a joker. You're in way over your head, out of your league, bit off more than you can chew, overmatched, underprepared, baffled, stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I tried to warn you.

¿Por quién diablos me ha tomado oiga usted señor? ¿A qué viene ese maltrato sin justificación? Tenga mucho cuidado en su proceder, no me obligue a enseñarle lo que yo sé.

Remember? No? Thats a shame.

Pinche payaso.

Fudd.

a.k.a. ding, dingbat, dingo, a brave, routed, defender of "the faith" in lies, a lilly white cur.



Whatever is written about what anyone "believed" in the first century doesn't conceal the fact that what you do at mass is morally and ethically reprehensible. You celebrate the "human sacrifice" of Jesus, an innocent Jewish man, to a Roman trinity, throwing Jesus under the bus (What a guy!) in a vain attempt to save yourself from paying the penalty for your own sins but instead have only cursed yourself. You failed the test.

What then? How is it that you don't know the only right course to take now, believer? pft.

Walk me through the conspiracy to trick people into believing Jesus is God. Paul was the leader, right? What about the apostles? Were they in on the treachery?

 

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You're in way over your head, out of your league, bit off more than you can chew, overmatched, underprepared, baffled, stuck between a rock and a hard place.

You're playing checkers. I've been playing chess. I've been setting the board for years. You are describing your position, not mine. I have a counter for every move you make. I've been setting you up for years. I know every argument you make. Now it's time to yank the chain.

 

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Pathetic. ding

"A curse on the man who turns to man and seeks his support from humankind."

I can't think of a more credible witness than alang1216 - who disagrees with me on the divinity of Christ. Of course even he doesn't agree with your conspiracy theory. But that's not what I'm asking him too judge. I'm asking him to judge whether you are arguing honestly or dishonestly. And I trust that he will be fair about that. We shall see.