No one does. He's vague by intention. That's what I was hoping you would see.
Zone1 Pray for the Iranian people, many comparisons right now to the Book of Esther.
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Not a clue. Maybe the anonymous writers of the gospels? Maybe other men whose names are lost to history?
Paul's epistles preceded the Gospels by a dozen years. If there was a conspiracy, Paul had to be in the thick of it.
No. If there was a conspiracy, Paul may have heard the oral stories that were already in circulation.
Dante
I have always been here
I'm not a praying man or into superstition/religion.
But I will tell you that many of The Iranian People dislike and even hate Jews and Israelis
Logic dictates the conspirators would have had to be from this group. Which effectively means Paul, Peter or both. You are underestimating the volume and magnitude of the lies being told. It's so massive and far fetched there is no way it was accidental. They had to know full well they were lying.
Saints Peter and Paul were the primary drivers and foundational pillars of the early Christian church. Peter served as the key spokesperson and leader among the twelve apostles, while Paul spearheaded the mission to the Gentiles, establishing churches throughout the Roman Empire. James the Just also led the early Jerusalem church.
Key Drivers of the Early Church:
- Saint Peter (Simon): Considered the leader among Jesus’ apostles and often viewed as the first leader of the church, focusing on Jewish converts.
- Saint Paul (Saul of Tarsus): A prolific missionary and theologian, Paul significantly expanded Christianity beyond Jewish communities to the Gentiles, setting up churches across Europe and Africa.
- James the Just: As the brother of Jesus, he was a key figure in the Jerusalem church and, for a time, served as its primary leader.
Immediately following the apostles, leaders known as the Apostolic Fathers helped solidify the church's structure at the end of the 1st century, including:
- Clement of Rome: Bishop of Rome (c. 88–99), seen as a key early leader who, according to early church historians as noted in this article on Insight for Living, is identified with the companion of Paul mentioned in Philippians 4:3.
- Ignatius of Antioch: A disciple of John who reinforced orthodox teaching.
- Polycarp of Smyrna: Another influential student of the apostles.
Probably more than they use to too.
Concerned American
Diamond Member
Apparently tens of thousands of now deceased/murdered Iranians disliked the mullahs in Iran as well, eh?
Dante
I have always been here
Not sure what you point is.
Whatever is happening in that warped mind of yours is best shut down before you end up on more medications
Dante
I have always been here
Sadly, I agree
and...
viewing things in very short periods...
David French talks with the retired general about the “great seduction” America fell for in Iran.
McChrystal: If we go back to the American experience starting in 1979, I was a young Special Forces officer, and I remember that the American Embassy in Tehran was seized, and there were people chanting “death to America.”
That was upsetting. And that was only a few years after Vietnam, so I think America was vulnerable emotionally.
Then suddenly you had this country that had been our ally, at least in the minds of most Americans during the Peacock Regime of the Shah, from 53 to 78, we felt comfortable with that. They were the bulwark of stability — and then suddenly in ’79 we saw the rise of Ayatollah Khomeini. And he doesn’t want to negotiate.
We watched a war break out between Iraq and Iran, and most of us were far enough away to say, “Wow. Good. Somebody’s taken on the Iranians. They don’t like Americans, so it’s somebody taking them on.”
Then in 1988, the U.S.S. Vincennes mistook an Iranian airliner for an attacking F-14, and they killed 290 civilians. If you take that period, Iran seemed like a recalcitrant enemy that hated us for some reason that we couldn’t really understand.
Then we get into 2007, when you were in Diyala and I’m leading a counterterrorist task force.
We had to stand up an entirely new task forcefocused on the Shia militia that were supported by Iran — the explosively formed projectiles and all of the things that Iran did to give them capability — and it became a bitter fight.
So, in the minds of someone like me and my force, of course, they were the enemy. They were killing us and we were killing them. It looked as though they were also a threat to not just the mission in Iraq, but the stability across the region.
It becomes emotional; Iran feels like our lifelong enemy right now. I’ll stop there. But I think that’s only part of the story.
...
French: Well, of course, if you say that’s only part of the story, we have to keep going. When the surge started to wind down around 2008, 2009, 2010, there was a real sense that we had won in many ways, that we had really turned the tide by the time I left in late ’08.
I remember the statistics when we got there. If you drove out of the front gate of our base, it was about a 25 percent chance of enemy contact — whether it’s an I.E.D., sniper fire, rockets, mortars, whatever. By the time we left, it was less than a 1 percent chance.
But the story doesn’t end there. The story keeps going, and Iranian-supported militias have been a thorn in our side in Iraq ever since. So, let’s pick it up after the surge. What happens next?
...
McChrystal: Well, let’s really pick it up before that, because I think it’s important.
We have a tendency in America to view things in very short periods — our year in Iraq, or in my case, five years in Iraq. We tend to come in and say we are going to fight the war to end all wars, at least in our minds.
But for the Iraqi about my age — I’m 71 now — for an Iraqi, it really starts in 1953, when the U.S. and British intelligence services overthrew the constitutionally elected prime minister and put back into power the Peacock Regime of the Shah.
They oppressed the people tremendously, particularly through Savak, the secret police. So, when the Iranian revolution erupts in 1978, we may have been surprised, but the Iranian people were not surprised.
When they suddenly say “death to America,” most Americans are saying, “What’s your problem? Why are you angry at us?”
I think his point was that Iranians welcome what we are doing.
Dante
I have always been here
Not all of them. Beware the propaganda of ones side.
Iranians (not all of them) are/were fed up with the Mullahs. That does not mean most of those like the way Trump & co., are treating them.
I know what's what. I know propaganda when I see it. We're fighting Israel's war for them. Let's hope starting WWIII was worth it.
Most want the mullahs gone but fear a Pyric victory.
Concerned American
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Maybe you should ease up on yours so that you can keep up with your own posts. I simply informed you that in addition to the fact that many Iranians don't like Hebrews and Christians, there are tens of thousands of Iranians that have been executed because they didn't like the mullahs that are running that country into the ground. Is that clear? If not, please enroll in a remedial English comprehension class.
Dante
I have always been here
And many more are being executed now because of Israel/Trump and many many more have been told they will be if they dare do anything..
Nice, grant their nation no Mullahs ruling the nation, but at the cost of their lives
To be honest I don't really care who runs them. That's their problem.
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