Pothead in Washington state was high when he killed 7 year old girl trick-or-treating

[Katzndogz]

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

I notice you conveniently and very dishonestly neglected to quote what I actually wrote which was not that cigarettes cause impairment.

Here's what I wrote:

If we want to talk about which drugs cause the most deaths, that would be cigarettes.

OTOH, how many fools run into things while fiddling with the ash that fell between their legs?

Not as many as those who get high and kill 7 year old kids.

Really? Do you have evidence of this? Or are you just cherry picking this anecdotal story, which many say involved not only marijuana but alcohol?

If this story involves alcohol prove it. If many say..... who said it? Has anyone actually said it beyond this message bosrd where it appeared as a speculation.

 

[Syriusly]

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

I notice you conveniently and very dishonestly neglected to quote what I actually wrote which was not that cigarettes cause impairment.

Here's what I wrote:

If we want to talk about which drugs cause the most deaths, that would be cigarettes.

OTOH, how many fools run into things while fiddling with the ash that fell between their legs?

Not as many as those who get high and kill 7 year old kids.

Considering that cigarette smokers have driven for years, smoking with 7 year old children in the cars, almost certainly more children have been harmed by second hand smoking in cars than by pot smokers getting into car accidents.

 

[Katzndogz]

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

Hmmm I wonder if that is actually true- because cigarettes certainly are a mood altering drug.

http://www.dapinghospital.com/sci/sjnk/8.pdf

The prevalence rate of cognitive
impairment was 5.3% in those who had never smoked,
4.5% in past smokers, and 11.8% in current smokers.
After adjusting for age, sex, education level and drinking,
current smokers were at a significantly higher risk of
cognitive impairment than those who had never smoked

And apparently the rate of automobile accidents goes up with cigarette smokers:

Risk of automobile accidents in cigarette smokers. - PubMed - NCBI
Assessment of relative risk estimates (RR) and adjustment for confounding factors was done by logistic regression analysis. Smokers had a 1.5-fold increase in risk for MVC over non-smokers (p = .01). Also, an increased tendency to smoke while driving was associated with greater risk of MVC (X2 trend: p = .01). The basis for this association may be: 1. distraction from driving by the act of smoking. 2. behavioural differences between smokers and non-smokers. 3. carbon-monoxide toxicity.

Maybe no one has gotten into a car accident because they are high on cigarettes, but certainly drivers have gotten into accidents because they were smoking cigarettes.

Or eating, changing channels on the radio, talking to a passenger, fighting with kids, putting on make up or texting. Between cigarettes and texting, texting wins the accident wars. None of which causes mental impairment.

 

[Katzndogz]

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

I notice you conveniently and very dishonestly neglected to quote what I actually wrote which was not that cigarettes cause impairment.

Here's what I wrote:

If we want to talk about which drugs cause the most deaths, that would be cigarettes.

OTOH, how many fools run into things while fiddling with the ash that fell between their legs?

Not as many as those who get high and kill 7 year old kids.

Considering that cigarette smokers have driven for years, smoking with 7 year old children in the cars, almost certainly more children have been harmed by second hand smoking in cars than by pot smokers getting into car accidents.

This has to be the most ridiculous support for pot ever. EVER. It has to come from the damaged brain of a pot addict.

 

[ShackledNation]

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

I notice you conveniently and very dishonestly neglected to quote what I actually wrote which was not that cigarettes cause impairment.

Here's what I wrote:

If we want to talk about which drugs cause the most deaths, that would be cigarettes.

OTOH, how many fools run into things while fiddling with the ash that fell between their legs?

Not as many as those who get high and kill 7 year old kids.

Really? Do you have evidence of this? Or are you just cherry picking this anecdotal story, which many say involved not only marijuana but alcohol?

If this story involves alcohol prove it. If many say..... who said it? Has anyone actually said it beyond this message bosrd where it appeared as a speculation.

Did you read the article? I can't prove whether alcohol was involved because that data is not available. Nor can you prove the extent marijuana was involved. The article did not state the level of either drug in the system of this guy.

The reality is that alcohol and cigarettes kill far more people than marijuana does. You've got nothing more than a single instance that might involve marijuana but that also might involve alcohol. Quite a weak leg to stand on.

 

[Syriusly]

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

I notice you conveniently and very dishonestly neglected to quote what I actually wrote which was not that cigarettes cause impairment.

Here's what I wrote:

If we want to talk about which drugs cause the most deaths, that would be cigarettes.

OTOH, how many fools run into things while fiddling with the ash that fell between their legs?

Not as many as those who get high and kill 7 year old kids.

Considering that cigarette smokers have driven for years, smoking with 7 year old children in the cars, almost certainly more children have been harmed by second hand smoking in cars than by pot smokers getting into car accidents.

Truckers Distracted by Smoking Cause South Dakota Personal Injuries Zimmer Duncan Cole

A recent study over a five-year period revealed that .9 percent of motor vehicle crashes occurred as a result of the driver being distracted by smoking a cigarette.

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

I notice you conveniently and very dishonestly neglected to quote what I actually wrote which was not that cigarettes cause impairment.

Here's what I wrote:

If we want to talk about which drugs cause the most deaths, that would be cigarettes.

OTOH, how many fools run into things while fiddling with the ash that fell between their legs?

Not as many as those who get high and kill 7 year old kids.

Really? Do you have evidence of this? Or are you just cherry picking this anecdotal story, which many say involved not only marijuana but alcohol?

If this story involves alcohol prove it. .

Funny demand coming from someone who has made nothing but unsubstantiated, and unproven claims.

 

[Syriusly]

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

I notice you conveniently and very dishonestly neglected to quote what I actually wrote which was not that cigarettes cause impairment.

Here's what I wrote:

If we want to talk about which drugs cause the most deaths, that would be cigarettes.

OTOH, how many fools run into things while fiddling with the ash that fell between their legs?

Not as many as those who get high and kill 7 year old kids.

Considering that cigarette smokers have driven for years, smoking with 7 year old children in the cars, almost certainly more children have been harmed by second hand smoking in cars than by pot smokers getting into car accidents.

This has to be the most ridiculous support for pot ever. EVER. It has to come from the damaged brain of a pot addict.

Your post has to be the worst case of reading comprehension- actually calling your post reading comprehension is an insult to the term reading- EVER.

Biggest fail from the Pot Prohibitionists on the board so far.

 

[Iceweasel]

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

Hmmm I wonder if that is actually true- because cigarettes certainly are a mood altering drug.

http://www.dapinghospital.com/sci/sjnk/8.pdf

The prevalence rate of cognitive
impairment was 5.3% in those who had never smoked,
4.5% in past smokers, and 11.8% in current smokers.
After adjusting for age, sex, education level and drinking,
current smokers were at a significantly higher risk of
cognitive impairment than those who had never smoked

And apparently the rate of automobile accidents goes up with cigarette smokers:

Risk of automobile accidents in cigarette smokers. - PubMed - NCBI
Assessment of relative risk estimates (RR) and adjustment for confounding factors was done by logistic regression analysis. Smokers had a 1.5-fold increase in risk for MVC over non-smokers (p = .01). Also, an increased tendency to smoke while driving was associated with greater risk of MVC (X2 trend: p = .01). The basis for this association may be: 1. distraction from driving by the act of smoking. 2. behavioural differences between smokers and non-smokers. 3. carbon-monoxide toxicity.

Maybe no one has gotten into a car accident because they are high on cigarettes, but certainly drivers have gotten into accidents because they were smoking cigarettes.

Or fiddling with the radio. But this is why I oppose pot legalization. If fries your brain and makes you think you are smart, unlike alcohol. So there is an insidious component alcohol doesn't have. No lucid person would try to compare the hazards of drunk driving with tobacco smoking.

 

[Syriusly]

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

Hmmm I wonder if that is actually true- because cigarettes certainly are a mood altering drug.

http://www.dapinghospital.com/sci/sjnk/8.pdf

The prevalence rate of cognitive
impairment was 5.3% in those who had never smoked,
4.5% in past smokers, and 11.8% in current smokers.
After adjusting for age, sex, education level and drinking,
current smokers were at a significantly higher risk of
cognitive impairment than those who had never smoked

And apparently the rate of automobile accidents goes up with cigarette smokers:

Risk of automobile accidents in cigarette smokers. - PubMed - NCBI
Assessment of relative risk estimates (RR) and adjustment for confounding factors was done by logistic regression analysis. Smokers had a 1.5-fold increase in risk for MVC over non-smokers (p = .01). Also, an increased tendency to smoke while driving was associated with greater risk of MVC (X2 trend: p = .01). The basis for this association may be: 1. distraction from driving by the act of smoking. 2. behavioural differences between smokers and non-smokers. 3. carbon-monoxide toxicity.

Maybe no one has gotten into a car accident because they are high on cigarettes, but certainly drivers have gotten into accidents because they were smoking cigarettes.

Or fiddling with the radio. But this is why I oppose pot legalization. If fries your brain and makes you think you are smart, unlike alcohol. So there is an insidious component alcohol doesn't have. No lucid person would try to compare the hazards of drunk driving with tobacco smoking.

Yeah....you are a great proponent for how safe alcohol is.......

No lucid person would ignore the science which shows that cigarette smokers get into more accidents, just because they want to promote Pot Prohibition.

But prove me wrong- show me how much the accident rates goes up for people who smoke Pot. I am willing to look at good science.

We know how badly alcohol impairs driving- a problem we have dealt with by education and tough driving laws- show me how Pot Prohibition prevents all driving under Pot influence deaths.

 

[Katzndogz]

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

Hmmm I wonder if that is actually true- because cigarettes certainly are a mood altering drug.

http://www.dapinghospital.com/sci/sjnk/8.pdf

The prevalence rate of cognitive
impairment was 5.3% in those who had never smoked,
4.5% in past smokers, and 11.8% in current smokers.
After adjusting for age, sex, education level and drinking,
current smokers were at a significantly higher risk of
cognitive impairment than those who had never smoked

And apparently the rate of automobile accidents goes up with cigarette smokers:

Risk of automobile accidents in cigarette smokers. - PubMed - NCBI
Assessment of relative risk estimates (RR) and adjustment for confounding factors was done by logistic regression analysis. Smokers had a 1.5-fold increase in risk for MVC over non-smokers (p = .01). Also, an increased tendency to smoke while driving was associated with greater risk of MVC (X2 trend: p = .01). The basis for this association may be: 1. distraction from driving by the act of smoking. 2. behavioural differences between smokers and non-smokers. 3. carbon-monoxide toxicity.

Maybe no one has gotten into a car accident because they are high on cigarettes, but certainly drivers have gotten into accidents because they were smoking cigarettes.

Or fiddling with the radio. But this is why I oppose pot legalization. If fries your brain and makes you think you are smart, unlike alcohol. So there is an insidious component alcohol doesn't have. No lucid person would try to compare the hazards of drunk driving with tobacco smoking.

This is why stoners can't be helped. They live in a world where only stoner physics applies.

That's why the only method of dealing with them that works is the Chinese method of forced work camps or execution.

Left alone this poison spreads.

 

[Syriusly]

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

Hmmm I wonder if that is actually true- because cigarettes certainly are a mood altering drug.

http://www.dapinghospital.com/sci/sjnk/8.pdf

The prevalence rate of cognitive
impairment was 5.3% in those who had never smoked,
4.5% in past smokers, and 11.8% in current smokers.
After adjusting for age, sex, education level and drinking,
current smokers were at a significantly higher risk of
cognitive impairment than those who had never smoked

And apparently the rate of automobile accidents goes up with cigarette smokers:

Risk of automobile accidents in cigarette smokers. - PubMed - NCBI
Assessment of relative risk estimates (RR) and adjustment for confounding factors was done by logistic regression analysis. Smokers had a 1.5-fold increase in risk for MVC over non-smokers (p = .01). Also, an increased tendency to smoke while driving was associated with greater risk of MVC (X2 trend: p = .01). The basis for this association may be: 1. distraction from driving by the act of smoking. 2. behavioural differences between smokers and non-smokers. 3. carbon-monoxide toxicity.

Maybe no one has gotten into a car accident because they are high on cigarettes, but certainly drivers have gotten into accidents because they were smoking cigarettes.

Or fiddling with the radio. But this is why I oppose pot legalization. If fries your brain and makes you think you are smart, unlike alcohol. So there is an insidious component alcohol doesn't have. No lucid person would try to compare the hazards of drunk driving with tobacco smoking.

This is why stoners can't be helped. They live in a world where only stoner physics applies.

That's why the only method of dealing with them that works is the Chinese method of forced work camps or execution.

Left alone this poison spreads.

Ah I always love Americans who are enamored with Communist dictatorships- it explains why they love having the government tell all of us what we can do.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Drunk driving and drugged driving fatalities should be dealt with exactly the same way as any other intentional act resulting in death. They are death penalty offenses. Drugs are more pernicious than alcohol. There is no way to cure or rehabilitate someone who has no ability to appreciate the nature of their act so imagines it an innocent activity. They could be warehoused for life or just double tapped where they stand.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Drugs are more pernicious than alcohol.

Alcohol is a drug.

Would you like it better if I had said marijuana is more pernicious than alcohol? Okay.

 

[Harry Dresden]

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

yea there was a guy who was smoking while driving, the cig fell from his mouth and went between his legs.....he went for it and did not see the car stopping in front of him......5 dead.....

 

[Katzndogz]

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

Hmmm I wonder if that is actually true- because cigarettes certainly are a mood altering drug.

http://www.dapinghospital.com/sci/sjnk/8.pdf

The prevalence rate of cognitive
impairment was 5.3% in those who had never smoked,
4.5% in past smokers, and 11.8% in current smokers.
After adjusting for age, sex, education level and drinking,
current smokers were at a significantly higher risk of
cognitive impairment than those who had never smoked

And apparently the rate of automobile accidents goes up with cigarette smokers:

Risk of automobile accidents in cigarette smokers. - PubMed - NCBI
Assessment of relative risk estimates (RR) and adjustment for confounding factors was done by logistic regression analysis. Smokers had a 1.5-fold increase in risk for MVC over non-smokers (p = .01). Also, an increased tendency to smoke while driving was associated with greater risk of MVC (X2 trend: p = .01). The basis for this association may be: 1. distraction from driving by the act of smoking. 2. behavioural differences between smokers and non-smokers. 3. carbon-monoxide toxicity.

Maybe no one has gotten into a car accident because they are high on cigarettes, but certainly drivers have gotten into accidents because they were smoking cigarettes.

Or fiddling with the radio. But this is why I oppose pot legalization. If fries your brain and makes you think you are smart, unlike alcohol. So there is an insidious component alcohol doesn't have. No lucid person would try to compare the hazards of drunk driving with tobacco smoking.

This is why stoners can't be helped. They live in a world where only stoner physics applies.

That's why the only method of dealing with them that works is the Chinese method of forced work camps or execution.

Left alone this poison spreads.

Ah I always love Americans who are enamored with Communist dictatorships- it explains why they love having the government tell all of us what we can do.

You just want the absolute right to murder others and claim you were high so it wasn't your fault. You have the right to get high. So you never really hurt anyone. If you did, it's no worse than the people who die because they are obese or it's death by chocolate, or global warming from cow farts making cow farts more dangerous than pot.

No crime was committed.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Once illegal pot is purchased who is to know whether it's legal or illegal?

geezus......you ever hear of a receipt?...

 

[Harry Dresden]

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

I notice you conveniently and very dishonestly neglected to quote what I actually wrote which was not that cigarettes cause impairment.

Here's what I wrote:

If we want to talk about which drugs cause the most deaths, that would be cigarettes.

OTOH, how many fools run into things while fiddling with the ash that fell between their legs?

Not as many as those who get high and kill 7 year old kids.

Really? Do you have evidence of this? Or are you just cherry picking this anecdotal story, which many say involved not only marijuana but alcohol?

that dont matter....Katz does not think Alcohol is a factor as long as the person smoked a joint....

 

[Harry Dresden]

There is no mental impairment from cigarettes. None. No one ever got into a car accident because they were high on cigarettes.

Hmmm I wonder if that is actually true- because cigarettes certainly are a mood altering drug.

http://www.dapinghospital.com/sci/sjnk/8.pdf

The prevalence rate of cognitive
impairment was 5.3% in those who had never smoked,
4.5% in past smokers, and 11.8% in current smokers.
After adjusting for age, sex, education level and drinking,
current smokers were at a significantly higher risk of
cognitive impairment than those who had never smoked

And apparently the rate of automobile accidents goes up with cigarette smokers:

Risk of automobile accidents in cigarette smokers. - PubMed - NCBI
Assessment of relative risk estimates (RR) and adjustment for confounding factors was done by logistic regression analysis. Smokers had a 1.5-fold increase in risk for MVC over non-smokers (p = .01). Also, an increased tendency to smoke while driving was associated with greater risk of MVC (X2 trend: p = .01). The basis for this association may be: 1. distraction from driving by the act of smoking. 2. behavioural differences between smokers and non-smokers. 3. carbon-monoxide toxicity.

Maybe no one has gotten into a car accident because they are high on cigarettes, but certainly drivers have gotten into accidents because they were smoking cigarettes.

Or fiddling with the radio. But this is why I oppose pot legalization. If fries your brain and makes you think you are smart, unlike alcohol. So there is an insidious component alcohol doesn't have. No lucid person would try to compare the hazards of drunk driving with tobacco smoking.

This is why stoners can't be helped. They live in a world where only stoner physics applies.

That's why the only method of dealing with them that works is the Chinese method of forced work camps or execution.

Left alone this poison spreads.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Hope this asshole pothead gets what's coming to him.
We'll be seeing this more and more in Oregon after recreational pot is approved today.

November 4, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Prosecutors: Man accused of hitting trick-or-treaters in Vancouver was high

A man accused of striking and killing a 7-year-old girl who was trick-or-treating Halloween night was under the influence of marijuana at the time, prosecutors say.

Attired in a suicide smock and hanging his head, Duane C. Abbott appeared in Clark County Superior Court on suspicion of vehicular homicide and three counts of vehicular assault.

Cadence Boyer, 7, was walking with her mom, Annie Arnold, 32, 30-year-old Chelina Alsteen and an unidentified 6-year-old girl on a sidewalk along Northeast 112th Avenue in east Vancouver when they were struck by a Ford Mustang at about 8:20 p.m. The girls were out trick-or-treating.

All four were rushed to area hospitals. Cadence Boyer died Sunday at Legacy Emanuel Medical Center in Portland. Her autopsy is scheduled for today.

The 6-year-old girl, whose parents asked that her name not be released, is a first-grader at Orchards Elementary, according to Gail Spolar, spokeswoman for Evergreen Public Schools. The girl was in serious condition at a local hospital but was showing signs of improvement, the school said in a letter sent home to parents.

Arnold, Cadence Boyer’s mother, was listed in fair condition Monday at Legacy Emanuel Medical Center. Alsteen remained in critical condition at PeaceHealth Southwest Medical Center.

According to court documents, Abbott said he was changing lanes on northbound Northeast 112th Avenue when he lost control of his vehicle and drove up onto the sidewalk, striking the victims and a utility pole.

He said he smokes 2 to 3 grams of marijuana daily and had his last joint at 5 p.m. Friday, court records say.

Police reported that Abbott had red watery eyes and that they looked droopy. His speech also was slurred, police said.

A witnesses ran to the two injured little girls. One witness pulled one of the little girls away from the Mustang, which was on fire. Another witness held the head of the other little girl until emergency responders arrived.

Witnesses said Abbott crawled out of his vehicle and walked a short distance before collapsing on the ground, court records say.

Judge Robert Lewis held Abbott in lieu of $750,000 and appointed Vancouver attorney Jeff Sowder to defend him. He is scheduled to be arraigned on the charges Nov. 14.

Senior Deputy Prosecutor Kasey Vu said Abbott has an extensive criminal history dating back to 1981, including burglary, theft, forgery and escape.

Prosecutors Man accused of hitting trick-or-treaters in Vancouver was high The Today File Seattle Times

Refer Madness all over again........

Kids get hit every Halloween. Maybe we can make a computer program and install it inside of the brain of every child at birth that will prevent them from growing up and having a traffic accident.

It is tragic when a child is killed on Halloween. It is destructive when a teen becomes intoxicated and takes his insecurities out by vandalizing property, or driving recklessly. But to direct the blame of these tragedies upon a native plant is utterly fuktarded. People who do that are fuktards. There is not much more to say than that.

There is no poison in the herb.

And now that voters have approved of recreational pot, we'll be seeing more kids struck on Halloween, and every other day as well.

Being under the influence of pot and pot causing the accident are two different things. These tragedies happen when people are not under any influence.

Yes they do, but driving high is likely to make it easier to lose control, and unfortunately now that recreational pot is legal in Washington, and now Oregon we're likely to see more tragedies like this.

This fails as yet another post hoc fallacy.

Anyone in any jurisdiction can obtain and use marijuana, whether it's legal in that jurisdiction or not.

 

[Iceweasel]

Yeah....you are a great proponent for how safe alcohol is.......

I never said anything like that. You hollowed out your brain with drugs so you can't understand the meanings of words anymore.

No lucid person would ignore the science which shows that cigarette smokers get into more accidents, just because they want to promote Pot Prohibition.

What the fuck does that even mean?

But prove me wrong- show me how much the accident rates goes up for people who smoke Pot. I am willing to look at good science.

We know how badly alcohol impairs driving- a problem we have dealt with by education and tough driving laws- show me how Pot Prohibition prevents all driving under Pot influence deaths.

I'm not showing you shit, I'm making fun of you. You can't put a logical thought together and ask a loaded question that can't be answered unless you were God. Your brain is badly damaged, you think you're making sense but you aren't. Of course increased pot use will lead to more driving impaired and more driving impaired will lead to more negligent damage, not "accidents". Accidents are things you can't help.

Eliminating the prohibition on meth will likewise take it's toll. That doesn't make drunk driving better, no one made the claim.