Pope: "States must be Laique(Secular)"

[alpine]

And he adds: "Religious states end up badly!"


What a pope

Le pape François à «La Croix» : « Un État doit être laïque »

 

[Kat]

Pope needs to stay out of politics.....especially other country's.
Religious leaders need to stay out. I do not need anyone to tell me how to vote. I am capable of deciding.

 

[alpine]

Pope needs to stay out of politics.....especially other country's.
Religious leaders need to stay out. I do not need anyone to tell me how to vote. I am capable of deciding.

"Pope needs to stay out of politics"

Thats exactly what he is saying.
"States must be secular", so people like pope stay outside of it.



It is hilarious when pope himself says it tho
This pope is great!

 

[CremeBrulee]

I think that is a no brainer. Theocracies probably aren't too much fun. Especially for religious minorities and nonbelievers, not that any would exist in such a state.

 

[there4eyeM]

Somewhat ironic for a head of state who is a religious leader to make such a statement.

 

[alpine]

Somewhat ironic for a head of state who is a religious leader to make such a statement.

No credit to pope ha...

 

[Snouter]

Israel is premised on the religion of the Old Testament. Yet the Pope supports the zionist regime. But I suppose he is used to living with irreconcilable differences.

 

[there4eyeM]

If Israel is 'premised' on a religion, wouldn't U.S. support for it be against the first amendment?

 

[alpine]

Israel is premised on the religion of the Old Testament. Yet the Pope supports the zionist regime. But I suppose he is used to living with irreconcilable differences.

If pope was to not support any country premised on any religion, he should not be speaking to Palestinians at all.

But he does, doesn't he?

 

[emilynghiem]

Pope needs to stay out of politics.....especially other country's.
Religious leaders need to stay out. I do not need anyone to tell me how to vote. I am capable of deciding.

Hi Kat Do you hold the same standards to leaders of political religions?
We can all see the disasters when Islamic beliefs get embedded in govt, and anyone who dissents is punished.

What about what's going on with Republicans pushing right to life and trying to override prochoice beliefs.
And the opposite with Democrats forcing right to health care to override and PENALIZE free market beliefs?

the whole issue of public schools and funding was already divided enough
over whether creation or evolution could be justified if other groups didn't believe in one or the other. Now with the marriage/homosexual and bathroom/gender policy,
the issue has come up again: why is it okay to bay Christianity and prayer from schools,
but punish people for asking to keep homosexual and transgender beliefs in private?

Do you think it's fair to disallow religious beliefs to be pushed through govt,
while allowing parties to push secular and political beliefs through govt
which the rest of the public doesn't believe in? or want to be penalized for not complying?

Honestly, I'm fed up with ANYBODY trying to bully anyone else, and then complaining
about the same.

What do you think of that, when it's political parties pushing their platforms trying
to legislate for the public. Do you think Parties will reach an agreement to QUIT BULLYING
and telling each other what's best, especially if we don't appreciate being domineered either!

Will this just keep going on? Are we going to figure out it's self-defeating and wasting resources fighting back and forth? What do you think?

 

[emilynghiem]

Israel is premised on the religion of the Old Testament. Yet the Pope supports the zionist regime. But I suppose he is used to living with irreconcilable differences.

If pope was to not support any country premised on any religion, he should not be speaking to Palestinians at all.

But he does, doesn't he?

Dear alpine if he's supposed to tend to the sick and suffering
then the people under these oppressive regimes are some of the ones who need the most help.

In general, any time govt gets overrun by religious OR political dogma,
it causes problems when the people LOSE the check on govt, fair due process,
separation of powers. That's what went wrong with Catholic authorities hiding the abuses by priests,
this abused power to bypass due process that would have protected victims and witnesses who complained of crimes.

The problem with why people hide and control things abusing politics
is that we have a culture that seeks to PUNISH and blame people for wrongs.
The tough people get elected for winning the game of excusing what they do
wrong and somehow blaming the other side, so the world is run by bullies.

The focus is not on rewarding people for CORRECTING their wrongs.
That happens in private with spiritual teaching that focuses on self-correction.

This process of bringing justice in a way that HEALS relationships to establish peace is Restorative Justice
while the political process of protecting laws and territory by punishment for deterrence is
Retributive Justice that even CUTS OFF relationships. Bullying has its place, when it comes to defending the innocence against unfair attacks, but right now everyone seems to abuse it.

Restorative Justice is the meaning of Christ Jesus and the path of the church to bring peace.
This is about MUTUAL correction and resolving of problems as EQUALS under law.
This diplomatic process has been derailed by the current wars and politics to defend turf and try to establish who is the dominant authority, or bigger Alpha male of the pack.

Where the state has power to punish and declare war, etc. that's retributive justice.
It should only be used for defense and deterring attacks, but political groups have been attacking each other to try to dominate and control govts, so that gets out of hand.
And where people mix religion with that, it becomes disastrous for people to declare
religious judgments and war on people. So it's important to keep civil checks on govt
especially to avoid abuses of defense, military and punitive authority by govt.

Ultimately the goal is to even unite nations under Restorative Justice,
but as long as we need defense, there is the side of justice that uses retribution
as political force. We have to be careful that is never abused, but sadly we
see a lot more bullying than peacemaking going on right now.

 

[turzovka]

Pope needs to stay out of politics.....especially other country's.
Religious leaders need to stay out. I do not need anyone to tell me how to vote. I am capable of deciding.

Are you capable of hearing political ads and other varied opinions and deciding for yourself? Then why should you feel threatened that someone from a religious bend offers their opinion? Can Christian citizens say out loud abortion is immoral vote and should not be legal? Can they say the same about marijuana or the free flow of pornography?

For those who are fine being bombarded with the ads and opinions of every stripe in life to buy this or vote that way, then why do they feel so threatened by someone who gives a moral or religious reason for their legal or political preferences of an issue --- not a candidate?

 

[Kat]

Pope needs to stay out of politics.....especially other country's.
Religious leaders need to stay out. I do not need anyone to tell me how to vote. I am capable of deciding.

Are you capable of hearing political ads and other varied opinions and deciding for yourself? Then why should you feel threatened that someone from a religious bend offers their opinion? Can Christian citizens say out loud abortion is immoral vote and should not be legal? Can they say the same about marijuana or the free flow of pornography?

For those who are fine being bombarded with the ads and opinions of every stripe in life to buy this or vote that way, then why do they feel so threatened by someone who gives a moral or religious reason for their legal or political preferences of an issue --- not a candidate?

Your assumption that I feel threatened is silly, and in err. All I did is give my opinion. And that's my opinion as a Christian person as well.