Poll: Who has enforcement authority of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution?

[Nostra]

So Section 3 states that Congress can re-instate those that have been judged to be insurrectionists by (what you call idiot) civil courts that have ruled them ineligible.

No need for that of Congress has sole authority

Boom

Congress would reinstate them because the civil court has no power, stupid.

 

[Lesh]

Congress would reinstate them because the civil court has no power, stupid.

The Congress COULD reinstate them because Section 3 says they can

 

[jbander]

Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights​

• Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office​

  No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. ______________It seems like this isn't a matter for the court , it says the only way it can be overturned is by 2/3rds vote of both houses.

 

[Concerned American]

Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights​

• Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office​

  No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. ______________It seems like this isn't a matter for the court , it says the only way it can be overturned is by 2/3rds vote of both houses.

There was no insurrection declared or recognized by any governmental body. Yawn, next again.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

There was no insurrection declared or recognized by any governmental body. Yawn, next again.

Pretty deep reach. I doubt SCOTUS is going to concur

 

[excalibur]

He hasn't been charged with insurrection. And the DOJ calls J6 a riot.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

What you guys don't get is, even if that was an insurrection, you only desire that Trump was a participator, which he wasn't.

 

[Foxfyre]

Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights​

• Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office​

  No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. ______________It seems like this isn't a matter for the court , it says the only way it can be overturned is by 2/3rds vote of both houses.

He isn't an insurrectionist because he did not plan, attempt, or participate in any form of insurrection.

He has never been charged with being an insurrectionist.

No person being arrested and convicted of participation in J6 has been charged with being an insurrectionist.

There was no insurrection.

P.S. Those who characterize what happened on J6 as 'insurrection' are uninformed, uneducated, misguided or otherwise wrong. Possibly they are idiots or mean spirited, dishonest, unethical political operatives deliberately distorting the truth for consumption by the uninformed, uneducated. . .etc.

 

[Orangecat]

Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights​

• Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office​

  No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. ______________It seems like this isn't a matter for the court , it says the only way it can be overturned is by 2/3rds vote of both houses.

You seem frightened of the possibility of Trump being elected via democracy.

 

[BS Filter]

Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights​

• Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office​

  No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. ______________It seems like this isn't a matter for the court , it says the only way it can be overturned is by 2/3rds vote of both houses.

When did Trump fight for the Confederacy?

 

[rampart]

Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights​

• Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office​

  No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. ______________It seems like this isn't a matter for the court , it says the only way it can be overturned is by 2/3rds vote of both houses.

pretty much the way "conservatives" solve all constitutional questions, by consulting the founders for their , obviously unanimous, "original intent." and , of course, scanning webster's for spme 8th definition that must be the literalist interpretation. they desire.

if it is up to the supreme court, trump will win.

 

[BS Filter]

pretty much the way "conservatives" solve all constitutional questions, by consulting the founders for their , obviously unanimous, "original intent." and , of course, scanning webster's for spme 8th definition that must be the literalist interpretation. they desire.

if it is up to the supreme court, trump will win.

Agree Trump will win. Trump will win because section 3 of the 14th Amendment deals with the Civil War. duh

 

[Foxfyre]

I'm pretty sure SCOTUS will do the right thing and tell Colorado, and by default all the other 'woke' states trying to destroy Trump that if a candidate meets the qualifications to be on the ballot, he or she will be on the ballot. They can't accuse him of a crime he hasn't committed to disqualify him just because they don't like him or don't want him to win.

 

[rampart]

Agree Trump will win. Trump will win because section 3 of the 14th Amendment deals with the Civil War. duh

that is why no one thinks of it. if we read the accounts of the "radical republicans" who wrote the 14th the confederates would be exactly who they had as original intent.

but among the federalist justices this may conflict with the literal words of the paragraph

among us, the intent of the article was more general, and common sense: a person who can break their oath to the constitution really should not be trusted to uphold and defemd same in the future.

 

[OKTexas]

pretty much the way "conservatives" solve all constitutional questions, by consulting the founders for their , obviously unanimous, "original intent." and , of course, scanning webster's for spme 8th definition that must be the literalist interpretation. they desire.

if it is up to the supreme court, trump will win.

You're right, SCOTUS will tell the States that they have no authority to unilaterally declare an individual guilty of a federal crime, for which that individual has never been charged or convicted. Plus the individual voters that initiated the actions had no standing to do so.

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[rampart]

You're right, SCOTUS will tell the States that they have no authority to unilaterally declare an individual guilty of a federal crime, for which that individual has never been charged or convicted. Plus the individual voters that initiated the actions had no standing to do so.

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keeps armies of lawyers employed for years.

 

[OKTexas]

keeps armies of lawyers employed for years.

Not really, it will be decided very quickly because of the subject matter and the fact that it's an election year. Honestly I'll be surprised if it's not 9-0 in Trump's favor. BTW they will be upholding the founders vision of innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

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[Harry Dresden]

You seem frightened of the possibility of Trump being elected via democracy.

bander is terrified of trump....read some of his paranoia threads...

 

[BrokeLoser]

Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights​

• Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office​

  No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. ______________It seems like this isn't a matter for the court , it says the only way it can be overturned is by 2/3rds vote of both houses.

pretty much the way "conservatives" solve all constitutional questions, by consulting the founders for their , obviously unanimous, "original intent." and , of course, scanning webster's for spme 8th definition that must be the literalist interpretation. they desire.

if it is up to the supreme court, trump will win.

How can Trump be saved by the supreme court. on the question of him being a insurrectionist.​

Because purple hair weirdos/faggots with neck tattoos and nose rings don’t get to decide shit.

 

[Batcat]

Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights​

• Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office​

  No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. ______________It seems like this isn't a matter for the court , it says the only way it can be overturned is by 2/3rds vote of both houses.

Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment dealt with people engaged in the insurrection called the Civil War.

What the framers said about the 14th Amendment's disqualification clause: Analysis

An analysis of what the framers meant when they created the 14th Amendment's disqualification clause.

abcnews.go.com

The intent of the 14th Amendment's disqualification clause is central to the debate over whether former President Donald Trump's name should be stricken from GOP primary ballots now that the issue has landed at the steps of the Supreme Court.

Judges and officials across many states around the country are now grappling with language that was written a year after the end of the Civil War. The words "insurrection" and "rebellion" had certain meanings to those who had them added to the Constitution, and a key question for arbiters now is whether the language drafted a century-and-a-half ago should be applied to Trump's role in the Jan. 6 riot.

As it originally passed the House, the 14th Amendment's third section was not nearly as broad as the version now being invoked to strike Trump's name from the ballot. It was narrowly crafted to apply only to those who willingly took part in the Civil War, and it was only meant to deprive former confederates of their right to cast ballots in federal elections. It also had an expiration date.


The Civil War was a war that cost the lives of 620,000 Americans and lasted from 1861 to 1865.

The January 6th riot was not a war and only lasted for a few hours.