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These "nonessential" businesses ARE essential you socialist dimwit. This nonsense cant be allowed to go on an an endlessly. And it wont.I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.
To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.
Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened
Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancingwww.theguardian.com
Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.
All of the lock down measures that I've seen, have not been effective, as near as I can tell.
The clear example of this, would be Italy, which is again as near as I can tell, has the most strict and harsh lock down measure of any country.
Yet virus infections are still rising.
So.... given there doesn't seem to be much value in lock down, then we are left with a pointless policy that damages the entire economy. Corona, no matter which way you look at it, will be short term. Damage to the economy will be long term.
Now I do understand the logic, of trying to flatten the curve, and prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. Again... not seeing that this is working.
I didn't know that Italy shutdown the entire country. Last I heard it was just the northern part.
Coronavirus: Italy bans any movement inside country as toll nears 5,500
PM shuts down all non-essential factories and businesses as lockdowns spread across the world
The US needs to do as many other mitigation measures as possible to minimize the spread. Whether its no public transportation, or mandatory testing and temperature testing at work, or taking medications such as in this CDC link:
I'm not sure about schools or colleges. Still think they need to do their work online.
IMHO it shouldn't be any worse than normal flu, but it could be.
Still we can't stop working or the economy collapses.
Opening non-essential business is just recipe to kill people and overwhelm and destroy the healthcare system. Its not about the economy, its about defeating the enemy. In this case the enemy is a Pathogen that is killing people. There is only one way to kill the Pathogen.
Exactly. Its a "Faustian Bargain" in that we are risking some peoples lives, but those people can avoid the illness if they shelter in place. The US needs to get back to business sooner rather than later. I'm sorry of the medical staff gets inundated, but that's life. They need to get that vaccine and approved medications to the people STAT!!I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.
To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.
Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened
Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing
Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.
I tend to lean your way, open back up to an extent, then I talk to my wife and she tells me they are so low on PPE doctors at her hospital are actually taking how much PPE will be used into their making medical decisions for patients.
So, i have to admit I have no idea what the answer it, but I do agree we cannot keep our entire country on lock down.
I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.
To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.
Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened
Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing
Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.
Since this is a TRUMP ZOMBIE forum, the poll numbers will be in favor of opening up NON-ESSENTIAL Business. They don't understand or care how many Americans they will kill or at least put at risk of death.
This is not the time to be like a 20 year old idiot at the beach, thinking everything is normal.
Ah, but since most people HERE will fall in line with anything Trump says, the results of this poll are predictable.
Thank God Trump will no longer be President after the end of this year!
I appreciate your perspective as a Biden fan. The forum voters are voting with their heads, and I respect that. If money grew on trees the economy could stay shut down months, but money doesn't grow on trees. Opening the economy back up before the virus is wiped-out will cost lives, but hopefully not more than a regular flu season, which is an acceptable loss every year.
IMHO Cuomo would make a more formidable candidate than Sleazy Joe Biden.
Anyone who voted for Trump in 2016 will vote for him again.
Any of the Bernie/Yang/Warren fans will have to force themselves to the polls to vote for Biden, especially after they see the upcoming debates. Good luck...in 2024 <g>
Non essential businesses are very essential to the people who work for them.
While there are not spots there are also cold spots. There is no reason why a waitress in Buffalo Wyoming shouldn't go to work when there isn't a single case within 500 miles.
Exactly. Its a "Faustian Bargain" in that we are risking some peoples lives, but those people can avoid the illness if they shelter in place. The US needs to get back to business sooner rather than later. I'm sorry of the medical staff gets inundated, but that's life. They need to get that vaccine and approved medications to the people STAT!!I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.
To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.
Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened
Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing
Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.
I tend to lean your way, open back up to an extent, then I talk to my wife and she tells me they are so low on PPE doctors at her hospital are actually taking how much PPE will be used into their making medical decisions for patients.
So, i have to admit I have no idea what the answer it, but I do agree we cannot keep our entire country on lock down.
That's not how you fight and defeat a pandemic. You can't just isolate everyone 60 and over. It won't work for many reasons. The United States is still in business. Think about what the United States did during World War II. 16 million men and women left the country and went overseas. People went to work in factories. It was a WAR ECONOMY that focused on specific things. We can do the same thing with coronavirus by focusing on the ESSENTIAL NEEDS OF THE COUNTRY to fight and defeat this pathogen just like we fought and defeated the Nazi's in World War II!
I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.
To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.
Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened
Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing
Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.
All of the lock down measures that I've seen, have not been effective, as near as I can tell.
The clear example of this, would be Italy, which is again as near as I can tell, has the most strict and harsh lock down measure of any country.
Yet virus infections are still rising.
So.... given there doesn't seem to be much value in lock down, then we are left with a pointless policy that damages the entire economy. Corona, no matter which way you look at it, will be short term. Damage to the economy will be long term.
Now I do understand the logic, of trying to flatten the curve, and prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. Again... not seeing that this is working.
I didn't know that Italy shutdown the entire country. Last I heard it was just the northern part.
Coronavirus: Italy bans any movement inside country as toll nears 5,500
PM shuts down all non-essential factories and businesses as lockdowns spread across the world
The US needs to do as many other mitigation measures as possible to minimize the spread. Whether its no public transportation, or mandatory testing and temperature testing at work, or taking medications such as in this CDC link:
I'm not sure about schools or colleges. Still think they need to do their work online.
IMHO it shouldn't be any worse than normal flu, but it could be.
Still we can't stop working or the economy collapses.
Opening non-essential business is just recipe to kill people and overwhelm and destroy the healthcare system. Its not about the economy, its about defeating the enemy. In this case the enemy is a Pathogen that is killing people. There is only one way to kill the Pathogen.
There are "open non-essential businesses" and businesses that will stay closed, depending on crowd size.
1. Schools & colleges stay closed
2. Sports venues stay closed, cruise lines and anything with big crowds stays closed
3. Bakeries, strip malls, most stores could open with minimal staff
4. Offices, government, open with minimal staff
5. Restaurants can open with tables spread out to 6' distances or every other bar stool open.
6. Airlines can open with sparse seating, i.e. every other seat empty
7. any suggestions?
Exactly. Its a "Faustian Bargain" in that we are risking some peoples lives, but those people can avoid the illness if they shelter in place. The US needs to get back to business sooner rather than later. I'm sorry of the medical staff gets inundated, but that's life. They need to get that vaccine and approved medications to the people STAT!!I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.
To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.
Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened
Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing
Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.
I tend to lean your way, open back up to an extent, then I talk to my wife and she tells me they are so low on PPE doctors at her hospital are actually taking how much PPE will be used into their making medical decisions for patients.
So, i have to admit I have no idea what the answer it, but I do agree we cannot keep our entire country on lock down.
That's not how you fight and defeat a pandemic. You can't just isolate everyone 60 and over. It won't work for many reasons. The United States is still in business. Think about what the United States did during World War II. 16 million men and women left the country and went overseas. People went to work in factories. It was a WAR ECONOMY that focused on specific things. We can do the same thing with coronavirus by focusing on the ESSENTIAL NEEDS OF THE COUNTRY to fight and defeat this pathogen just like we fought and defeated the Nazi's in World War II!
This is another example where you "expound" vociferously about a medical topic and I'm not sure what your "creds" are. The US is mobilized to fight the COVID-19 "war". Industry is re-tooling to make PPE and ventilators. That is hard to do when so many US factories are in China, or India, or VN, etc. If we had a WW2 type war now we'd lose, we can't make munitions, planes, ships, or tanks on a large scale anymore. That's the populist's point why we need Trump to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US.
1. Why can't you isolate most people over 60?
2. We also have many scientists working on vaccines, and therapies to fight COVID-19.
3. We will defeat the pathogen, but it will take time, the economy doesn't have that much time.
I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.
Exactly. Governors and mayors can make some calls/exceptions to walk and chew gum. Open for business yet still use good hygiene to not spread the virus. Trump will toss the economy over the fence to the governors around Easter. Reopening will be a process, but the CDC needs to get that vaccine before the virus hits again in the fall.I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.
The answer is simple. Major sporting and other events all voluntarily closed of their own volition. As people learned more about the virus and/or it came closer to their area, they quit patronizing public establishments, so those places would have naturally gone to delivery only. Many businesses voluntarily closed as they felt the need or business slowed. You get the idea. The free market adjusts.
Then government stepped in and had to impress up how they were doing their part. In my state, 90% of the state is at very low risk. Liquor stores could have simply had employees wear latex gloves to avoid contact and limit the number of people in at a time or simply taken your order and transacted the purchase over the phone and had you come pick it up at the door. You know, innovate. Be creative, the antithisis of government. Many people rely on booze to help with pain or sleeping.
Instead our jackass governor took it upon himself to close all liquor stores STATE WIDE two weeks ago.
Yet they still deliver the mail. Who knows how many hands it has gone through or who has handled it. And not just the real mail, they still cram my box full of all those unnecessary flyers and sales ads.
Exactly. Its a "Faustian Bargain" in that we are risking some peoples lives, but those people can avoid the illness if they shelter in place. The US needs to get back to business sooner rather than later. I'm sorry of the medical staff gets inundated, but that's life. They need to get that vaccine and approved medications to the people STAT!!I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.
To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.
Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened
Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing
Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.
I tend to lean your way, open back up to an extent, then I talk to my wife and she tells me they are so low on PPE doctors at her hospital are actually taking how much PPE will be used into their making medical decisions for patients.
So, i have to admit I have no idea what the answer it, but I do agree we cannot keep our entire country on lock down.
That's not how you fight and defeat a pandemic. You can't just isolate everyone 60 and over. It won't work for many reasons. The United States is still in business. Think about what the United States did during World War II. 16 million men and women left the country and went overseas. People went to work in factories. It was a WAR ECONOMY that focused on specific things. We can do the same thing with coronavirus by focusing on the ESSENTIAL NEEDS OF THE COUNTRY to fight and defeat this pathogen just like we fought and defeated the Nazi's in World War II!
This is another example where you "expound" vociferously about a medical topic and I'm not sure what your "creds" are. The US is mobilized to fight the COVID-19 "war". Industry is re-tooling to make PPE and ventilators. That is hard to do when so many US factories are in China, or India, or VN, etc. If we had a WW2 type war now we'd lose, we can't make munitions, planes, ships, or tanks on a large scale anymore. That's the populist's point why we need Trump to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US.
1. Why can't you isolate most people over 60?
2. We also have many scientists working on vaccines, and therapies to fight COVID-19.
3. We will defeat the pathogen, but it will take time, the economy doesn't have that much time.
Not were not mobilized the fight the COVID-19 war, just as we were not mobilized to fight World War II on December 7, 1941. We won't be mobilized until the healthcare system as all the supplies and labor they need to fight this Pathogen! Right now, there are shortages everywhere! So no, were not mobilized yet at all.
1. Because people over 60 live and work in this economy as well. Many of the Doctors and Nurses on the front lines are in this age group. They are not perfectly separated from the other age groups in terms of work or living arrangements. Anyone can be a vector that the pathogen uses to spread itself. Even people over 60 who are retired still have to eat. That means they have to get food. They also have to see the doctor more often of other things.
2. Great, but until they come up with a vaccine, the lock down of non-essential goods and services is needed.
3. The economy survived in the 1930s and the changes brought on by World War II. The economy will be just fine. The United States is the wealthiest country and could take a 3 year hit to its economy if it had to if not longer. Protecting the lives of millions of people is more important that the resumption of non-essential services and goods. 40% of the people who have been hospitalized for this Virus are under age 50. You risk overwhelming the healthcare system without the current restrictions in place.
I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.
To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.
Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened
Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing
Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.
The will be no eradication of the virus. The reality is that it is with us for many months and will eventually reach 40-80% of the worlds population. All we can do is buy some time and find a proper balance without crippling the entire country. Can anyone really envision a lockdown lasting 18 months?I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.
To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.
Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened
Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing
Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.
All of the lock down measures that I've seen, have not been effective, as near as I can tell.
The clear example of this, would be Italy, which is again as near as I can tell, has the most strict and harsh lock down measure of any country.
Yet virus infections are still rising.
So.... given there doesn't seem to be much value in lock down, then we are left with a pointless policy that damages the entire economy. Corona, no matter which way you look at it, will be short term. Damage to the economy will be long term.
Now I do understand the logic, of trying to flatten the curve, and prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. Again... not seeing that this is working.
I didn't know that Italy shutdown the entire country. Last I heard it was just the northern part.
Coronavirus: Italy bans any movement inside country as toll nears 5,500
PM shuts down all non-essential factories and businesses as lockdowns spread across the world
The US needs to do as many other mitigation measures as possible to minimize the spread. Whether its no public transportation, or mandatory testing and temperature testing at work, or taking medications such as in this CDC link:
I'm not sure about schools or colleges. Still think they need to do their work online.
IMHO it shouldn't be any worse than normal flu, but it could be.
Still we can't stop working or the economy collapses.
Opening non-essential business is just recipe to kill people and overwhelm and destroy the healthcare system. Its not about the economy, its about defeating the enemy. In this case the enemy is a Pathogen that is killing people. There is only one way to kill the Pathogen.
