[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[PMZ]

Why won't you anti-civilization people go back into the woods? Beat off and please never vote.

Why won’t you empty slogan people go home and stop voting? No one here is anti-civilization but you keep prattling on about investments in infrastructure and science but when I ask about specifics and actually give you real and hard numbers about current spending in various areas I get nothing from you but science. I have done this multiple times and yet all you can do is repeat the same tired old bullshit.

Try something new matt – actually educate yourself on the issues and ignore the empty slogans. Abandon this bullshit unspecific ‘invest in infrastructure and science’ and actually mention something specific that should be invested in.

I don't think the what matters to him. I think he just wants us to write him a check.

Don't need your money. So you can't buy me.

 

[RKMBrown]

Why won’t you empty slogan people go home and stop voting? No one here is anti-civilization but you keep prattling on about investments in infrastructure and science but when I ask about specifics and actually give you real and hard numbers about current spending in various areas I get nothing from you but science. I have done this multiple times and yet all you can do is repeat the same tired old bullshit.

Try something new matt – actually educate yourself on the issues and ignore the empty slogans. Abandon this bullshit unspecific ‘invest in infrastructure and science’ and actually mention something specific that should be invested in.

I don't think the what matters to him. I think he just wants us to write him a check.

Don't need your money. So you can't buy me.

Is your name Matthew?

 

[PMZ]

I don't think the what matters to him. I think he just wants us to write him a check.

Don't need your money. So you can't buy me.

Is your name Matthew?

You know it's not. But, I know that people like you are very used to buying influence so I wanted to make my position clear.

 

[RKMBrown]

Don't need your money. So you can't buy me.

Is your name Matthew?

You know it's not. But, I know that people like you are very used to buying influence so I wanted to make my position clear.

I see. So you you are a whore that wants your john to collect the money for you.

 

[PMZ]

Is your name Matthew?

You know it's not. But, I know that people like you are very used to buying influence so I wanted to make my position clear.

I see. So you you are a whore that wants your john to collect the money for you.

No, you are a John who doesn't want to pay for services rendered.

 

[RKMBrown]

You know it's not. But, I know that people like you are very used to buying influence so I wanted to make my position clear.

I see. So you you are a whore that wants your john to collect the money for you.

No, you are a John who doesn't want to pay for services rendered.

Lies, I have not had sex with you. I don't even know you. What the hell have you ever done for me and why the hell would I pay you a dime?

 

[PMZ]

I see. So you you are a whore that wants your john to collect the money for you.

No, you are a John who doesn't want to pay for services rendered.

Lies, I have not had sex with you. I don't even know you. What the hell have you ever done for me and why the hell would I pay you a dime?

You are absolutely right. I don't do sex with men or for money. Or women for that matter other than my wife.

But every day you take services from our government that you'd rather steal than pay for. It's good that we have IRS law enforcement to make sure that you can't get away with it.

 

[RKMBrown]

No, you are a John who doesn't want to pay for services rendered.

Lies, I have not had sex with you. I don't even know you. What the hell have you ever done for me and why the hell would I pay you a dime?

You are absolutely right. I don't do sex with men or for money. Or women for that matter other than my wife.

But every day you take services from our government that you'd rather steal than pay for. It's good that we have IRS law enforcement to make sure that you can't get away with it.

Where have I ever said I don't want to pay for services rendered by any Government? My issue is merely with "re-distributions" you lying sack.

 

[PMZ]

Lies, I have not had sex with you. I don't even know you. What the hell have you ever done for me and why the hell would I pay you a dime?

You are absolutely right. I don't do sex with men or for money. Or women for that matter other than my wife.

But every day you take services from our government that you'd rather steal than pay for. It's good that we have IRS law enforcement to make sure that you can't get away with it.

Where have I ever said I don't want to pay for services rendered by any Government? My issue is merely with "re-distributions" you lying sack.

Republicans wildly cheered as the Bushwacker redistributed more wealth than ever had been moved before. Republicans love the wealth redistribution inherent in capitalism. Don't tell me that you weren't and aren't included in that.

As the old joke says, we've already established that you're a whore, now we are negotiating the price.

 

[RKMBrown]

You are absolutely right. I don't do sex with men or for money. Or women for that matter other than my wife.

But every day you take services from our government that you'd rather steal than pay for. It's good that we have IRS law enforcement to make sure that you can't get away with it.

Where have I ever said I don't want to pay for services rendered by any Government? My issue is merely with "re-distributions" you lying sack.

Republicans wildly cheered as the Bushwacker redistributed more wealth than ever had been moved before. Republicans love the wealth redistribution inherent in capitalism. Don't tell me that you weren't and aren't included in that.

As the old joke says, we've already established that you're a whore, now we are negotiating the price.

I'm not a republican. Why are you railing against capitalism? Are you "un-American?" Are you a Marxist?

 

[PMZ]

Where have I ever said I don't want to pay for services rendered by any Government? My issue is merely with "re-distributions" you lying sack.

Republicans wildly cheered as the Bushwacker redistributed more wealth than ever had been moved before. Republicans love the wealth redistribution inherent in capitalism. Don't tell me that you weren't and aren't included in that.

As the old joke says, we've already established that you're a whore, now we are negotiating the price.

I'm not a republican. Why are you railing against capitalism? Are you "un-American?" Are you a Marxist?

I am a Republican. I'm not railing against Capitalism. I'm railing against ignorance.

Capitaliam will redistribute wealth up until those that produce it are not getting to retain in proportion to their contribution. Then society goes unstable. We accept that risk because greed is the best motivator, but mitigate it with governmental redistribution down. We eat our cake and have it too.

We also rely on competition to limit the redistribution up.

However, we've given the wealthy too much power to be purchased. They will, will, if we don't act, consume the golden goose because they can't help themselves to avoid it.

Why can they purchase so much influence? Propaganda sources like Fox, selling it, and people with little critical thinking capability like you falling for their brand marketing.

After all, that propaganda process has gone so far as creating a multi billion dollar market for bottled water beating out freely available water at home.

Democracy depends on an informed electorate. We are being robbed of it. It has to stop.

 

[RKMBrown]

Republicans wildly cheered as the Bushwacker redistributed more wealth than ever had been moved before. Republicans love the wealth redistribution inherent in capitalism. Don't tell me that you weren't and aren't included in that.

As the old joke says, we've already established that you're a whore, now we are negotiating the price.

I'm not a republican. Why are you railing against capitalism? Are you "un-American?" Are you a Marxist?

I am a Republican. I'm not railing against Capitalism. I'm railing against ignorance.

Capitaliam will redistribute wealth up until those that produce it are not getting to retain in proportion to their contribution. Then society goes unstable. We accept that risk because greed is the best motivator, but mitigate it with governmental redistribution down. We eat our cake and have it too.

We also rely on competition to limit the redistribution up.

However, we've given the wealthy too much power to be purchased. They will, will, if we don't act, consume the golden goose because they can't help themselves to avoid it.

Why can they purchase so much influence? Propaganda sources like Fox, selling it, and people with little critical thinking capability like you falling for their brand marketing.

After all, that propaganda process has gone so far as creating a multi billion dollar market for bottled water beating out freely available water at home.

Democracy depends on an informed electorate. We are being robbed of it. It has to stop.

Wrong. Redistribution at the point of a gun is not how capitalism should be reigned in so to speak. Besides it won't work.

The way to keep capitalists from taking over is by breaking up monopolies and oligopolies, this is Govco's job.

>> Why can they purchase so much influence?

Because people like you can be bought with promises of redistribution checks.

>> multi billion dollar market for bottled water

What do you have against bottled water? Advertising is "propaganda?" WTH?

>> Democracy depends on an informed electorate.

We are a republic that is sliding into a democracy, that's a big part of the problem.

>>> We are being robbed of it. It has to stop.

We allowed the government to take over education. This is one of the results of letting your government educate your kids. Surprise, you get an education that promotes government solutions for every issue under the sun.

 

[Foxfyre]

If PMZ is a Republican, I am the Queen of Sheba.

Capitalism is not designed to redistribute wealth--a progressive tax system is.

Capitalism is not designed for the rich to support the poor--our current tax system is.

Our current tax system is not designed to enable and encourage the creation of wealth. Capitalism does enable and encourages the creation of wealth.

Capitalism requires enough regulation to prevent the powerful from unethically preying on the weak, but otherwise can be left entirely alone to do its thing and more will prosper than under any other system humankind has ever devised.

A flat tax to fund the NECESSARY--and that is the money word: NECESSARY--functions of government is a fair and equitable way to pay the bills and is based on the foundational principle of capitalism.

 

[PMZ]

I'm not a republican. Why are you railing against capitalism? Are you "un-American?" Are you a Marxist?

I am a Republican. I'm not railing against Capitalism. I'm railing against ignorance.

Capitaliam will redistribute wealth up until those that produce it are not getting to retain in proportion to their contribution. Then society goes unstable. We accept that risk because greed is the best motivator, but mitigate it with governmental redistribution down. We eat our cake and have it too.

We also rely on competition to limit the redistribution up.

However, we've given the wealthy too much power to be purchased. They will, will, if we don't act, consume the golden goose because they can't help themselves to avoid it.

Why can they purchase so much influence? Propaganda sources like Fox, selling it, and people with little critical thinking capability like you falling for their brand marketing.

After all, that propaganda process has gone so far as creating a multi billion dollar market for bottled water beating out freely available water at home.

Democracy depends on an informed electorate. We are being robbed of it. It has to stop.

Wrong. Redistribution at the point of a gun is not how capitalism should be reigned in so to speak. Besides it won't work.

The way to keep capitalists from taking over is by breaking up monopolies and oligopolies, this is Govco's job.

>> Why can they purchase so much influence?

Because people like you can be bought with promises of redistribution checks.

>> multi billion dollar market for bottled water

What do you have against bottled water? Advertising is "propaganda?" WTH?

>> Democracy depends on an informed electorate.

We are a republic that is sliding into a democracy, that's a big part of the problem.

>>> We are being robbed of it. It has to stop.

We allowed the government to take over education. This is one of the results of letting your government educate your kids. Surprise, you get an education that promotes government solutions for every issue under the sun.

''Redistribution at the point of a gun is not how capitalism should be reigned in so to speak. Besides it won't work.''

No guns are required. We are all as free to relocate as to choose among new cars.

'' The way to keep capitalists from taking over is by breaking up monopolies and oligopolies, this is Govco's job.''

I agree. However wealthy people aren't monopolies or oligopolies.

'' Advertising is "propaganda?''

Yes.

''We are a republic that is sliding into a democracy, that's a big part of the problem.''

We've never had a monarch so have always been a Republic. True of most governments today.

We've been a democracy since 1930 with the universal suffrage Ammendment. I don't see going back on that.

'' We allowed the government to take over education. This is one of the results of letting your government educate your kids. Surprise, you get an education that promotes government solutions for every issue under the sun.''

Public schools have been a governmental obligation from the beginning.

The only way that we stand a chance of being competitive around the world is good education for all. We can't afford any wasted brains. This site demonstrates the impact of unregulated information sources depriving adults of their education.

I don't know the solution but the problem is clear.

 

[PMZ]

If PMZ is a Republican, I am the Queen of Sheba.

Capitalism is not designed to redistribute wealth--a progressive tax system is.

Capitalism is not designed for the rich to support the poor--our current tax system is.

Our current tax system is not designed to enable and encourage the creation of wealth. Capitalism does enable and encourages the creation of wealth.

Capitalism requires enough regulation to prevent the powerful from unethically preying on the weak, but otherwise can be left entirely alone to do its thing and more will prosper than under any other system humankind has ever devised.

A flat tax to fund the NECESSARY--and that is the money word: NECESSARY--functions of government is a fair and equitable way to pay the bills and is based on the foundational principle of capitalism.

Queenie, you're welcome to believe anything that you wish was true.

Smart people are, however, only swayed by evidence of which you have provided none.

''Capitalism is not designed to redistribute wealth''

Just one example of ignorance. Of course it is. That's how it works and why pure socialism doesn't.

 

[Foxfyre]

If PMZ is a Republican, I am the Queen of Sheba.

Capitalism is not designed to redistribute wealth--a progressive tax system is.

Capitalism is not designed for the rich to support the poor--our current tax system is.

Our current tax system is not designed to enable and encourage the creation of wealth. Capitalism does enable and encourages the creation of wealth.

Capitalism requires enough regulation to prevent the powerful from unethically preying on the weak, but otherwise can be left entirely alone to do its thing and more will prosper than under any other system humankind has ever devised.

A flat tax to fund the NECESSARY--and that is the money word: NECESSARY--functions of government is a fair and equitable way to pay the bills and is based on the foundational principle of capitalism.

Queenie, you're welcome to believe anything that you wish was true.

Smart people are, however, only swayed by evidence of which you have provided none.

''Capitalism is not designed to redistribute wealth''

Just one example of ignorance. Of course it is. That's how it works and why pure socialism doesn't.

Depends on what you think redistribution of wealth is I suppose. The business dictionary defines it as such:

Redistribution of wealth:
Central tenet of most modern economies whereby a nation's wealth is channeled, from those who have more to those below a certain income level, through taxes that pay for welfare benefits.

Read more: What is redistribution of wealth? definition and meaning

In other words, redistribution of wealth is something government does whether that is via the tax code or via regulation or preferential treatment or any other manipulation that requires the richer to give up wealth on the theory that the poor will receive it.

That is the very antithesis of capitalism in which those who earn or merit the property reap the rewards which in turn encourages more economic activity and wealth creation.

Capitalism
Economic system characterized by the following: private property ownership exists; individuals and companies are allowed to compete for their own economic gain; and free market forces determine the prices of goods and services. Such a system is based on the premise of separating the state and business activities. Capitalists believe that markets are efficient and should thus function without interference, and the role of the state is to regulate and protect.
Read more: What is Capitalism? definition and meaning

 

[RKMBrown]

I am a Republican. I'm not railing against Capitalism. I'm railing against ignorance.

Capitaliam will redistribute wealth up until those that produce it are not getting to retain in proportion to their contribution. Then society goes unstable. We accept that risk because greed is the best motivator, but mitigate it with governmental redistribution down. We eat our cake and have it too.

We also rely on competition to limit the redistribution up.

However, we've given the wealthy too much power to be purchased. They will, will, if we don't act, consume the golden goose because they can't help themselves to avoid it.

Why can they purchase so much influence? Propaganda sources like Fox, selling it, and people with little critical thinking capability like you falling for their brand marketing.

After all, that propaganda process has gone so far as creating a multi billion dollar market for bottled water beating out freely available water at home.

Democracy depends on an informed electorate. We are being robbed of it. It has to stop.

Wrong. Redistribution at the point of a gun is not how capitalism should be reigned in so to speak. Besides it won't work.

The way to keep capitalists from taking over is by breaking up monopolies and oligopolies, this is Govco's job.

>> Why can they purchase so much influence?

Because people like you can be bought with promises of redistribution checks.

>> multi billion dollar market for bottled water

What do you have against bottled water? Advertising is "propaganda?" WTH?

>> Democracy depends on an informed electorate.

We are a republic that is sliding into a democracy, that's a big part of the problem.

>>> We are being robbed of it. It has to stop.

We allowed the government to take over education. This is one of the results of letting your government educate your kids. Surprise, you get an education that promotes government solutions for every issue under the sun.

''Redistribution at the point of a gun is not how capitalism should be reigned in so to speak. Besides it won't work.''

No guns are required. We are all as free to relocate as to choose among new cars.

'' The way to keep capitalists from taking over is by breaking up monopolies and oligopolies, this is Govco's job.''

I agree. However wealthy people aren't monopolies or oligopolies.

'' Advertising is "propaganda?''

Yes.

''We are a republic that is sliding into a democracy, that's a big part of the problem.''

We've never had a monarch so have always been a Republic. True of most governments today.

We've been a democracy since 1930 with the universal suffrage Ammendment. I don't see going back on that.

'' We allowed the government to take over education. This is one of the results of letting your government educate your kids. Surprise, you get an education that promotes government solutions for every issue under the sun.''

Public schools have been a governmental obligation from the beginning.

The only way that we stand a chance of being competitive around the world is good education for all. We can't afford any wasted brains. This site demonstrates the impact of unregulated information sources depriving adults of their education.

I don't know the solution but the problem is clear.

>> No guns are required. We are all as free to relocate as to choose among new cars.
Wrong: Jeff Duncan questions IRS gun usage - Tal Kopan - POLITICO.com
Additionally, you can not avoid taxes by fleeing the country. The IRS goon squad will come for you no matter where you try to hide.

>>> I agree. However wealthy people aren't monopolies or oligopolies.

Many wealth people run monopolies and many are members of oligopolies. My favorite one to rail against is the CEO / Executive board room oligopoly across this country that sets Executive pay rates with no input from the owners of the companies (the stock holders). Break up the monopolies and oligopolies and the result is opportunity for capitalism to spawn new business new money new success. Don't break them up and you get people like Soros, Heinz, Gates, Koch, Buffet, ...

>>> We've never had a monarch so have always been a Republic.

Electing the senate by majority has resulted in all three branches reporting to the majority rather than having the senate report to the state legislatures as a check on tyranny of the majority. Further the 14th and 16th amendments to the constitution rendered the tenth pretty much moot, thus rendering state power, over time, to tyranny of the majority as well. Having a Monarch, does not mean what you think it means.

>>> Public schools have been a governmental obligation from the beginning.

Not so much. The role of the federal government wrt education is nothing like it used to be even in my lifetime.

>>> Ads are propaganda...

There are truth in advertising laws to designed to prohibit advertizing from being propaganda. You'd need to point out an example, for me to understand where you are heading with this blanket statement.

>>> The only way that we stand a chance of being competitive around the world is good education for all. We can't afford any wasted brains. This site demonstrates the impact of unregulated information sources depriving adults of their education.

We were more competitive before the federal government got involved. Capitalism is the way. Socialism and socialists in particular are the reason it has been failing.

 

[PMZ]

If PMZ is a Republican, I am the Queen of Sheba.

Capitalism is not designed to redistribute wealth--a progressive tax system is.

Capitalism is not designed for the rich to support the poor--our current tax system is.

Our current tax system is not designed to enable and encourage the creation of wealth. Capitalism does enable and encourages the creation of wealth.

Capitalism requires enough regulation to prevent the powerful from unethically preying on the weak, but otherwise can be left entirely alone to do its thing and more will prosper than under any other system humankind has ever devised.

A flat tax to fund the NECESSARY--and that is the money word: NECESSARY--functions of government is a fair and equitable way to pay the bills and is based on the foundational principle of capitalism.

Queenie, you're welcome to believe anything that you wish was true.

Smart people are, however, only swayed by evidence of which you have provided none.

''Capitalism is not designed to redistribute wealth''

Just one example of ignorance. Of course it is. That's how it works and why pure socialism doesn't.

Depends on what you think redistribution of wealth is I suppose. The business dictionary defines it as such:

Redistribution of wealth:
Central tenet of most modern economies whereby a nation's wealth is channeled, from those who have more to those below a certain income level, through taxes that pay for welfare benefits.

Read more: What is redistribution of wealth? definition and meaning

In other words, redistribution of wealth is something government does whether that is via the tax code or via regulation or preferential treatment or any other manipulation that requires the richer to give up wealth on the theory that the poor will receive it.

That is the very antithesis of capitalism in which those who earn or merit the property reap the rewards which in turn encourages more economic activity and wealth creation.

Capitalism
Economic system characterized by the following: private property ownership exists; individuals and companies are allowed to compete for their own economic gain; and free market forces determine the prices of goods and services. Such a system is based on the premise of separating the state and business activities. Capitalists believe that markets are efficient and should thus function without interference, and the role of the state is to regulate and protect.
Read more: What is Capitalism? definition and meaning

Why would anyone believe that down is the only way that wealth can be moved, and government is the only system that can move it?

 

[RKMBrown]

Why would anyone believe that down is the only way that wealth can be moved, and government is the only system that can move it?

Ask that PMZ jerk, he's the only one that has been making that claim.

 

[zeke]

What is so hard about the "fair share" idea?

After cutting total Federal government expenses by 10%, it is the amount of tax dollars needed from the ultra wealthy to increase income to the point that the Treasury has a surplus at the end of each year.

And that number is????????????magic.

If I told ya I'd have to shoot me. Around 45% should do it. Combined with the cuts and the elimination of the EIC.

Never gonna happen.