[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[PMZ]

The ignorance of the left concerning taxes is recognizable to a 7 year old.
Many want to return to the 90% days over a certain amount of income and 50% over a certain amount of income.
Someone makes $200,000 and they raise the tax rate from 35% to 50% for that.
Someone makes $199.999.99 and their rate is 35% and the person that makes ONE CENT MORE has to pay 50%.

He has to pay the 50% on that 1 cent only.

ignorance of the right concerning taxes is recognizable to a 7 year old.

 

[Uncensored2008]

its a marginal rate they only pay that rate on the amount over 199999.99. so he pays .15cents extra, so whos ignorant?

Yet net tax was lower in 1955, because of loopholes and dodges. What you of the left fail to acknowledge is that when Reagan lowered the rates in 86' the net taxes paid by people earning $100,000 and above went UP - despite rates dropping, because the loopholes were closed.

Dishonesty is the foundation of leftism, and leftists routinely fail to mention this part of the calculus.

You want FAIR taxes? ZERO deductions for any reason, a flat rate regardless of income.

Of course most leftists want to rob others and stuff the loot in their own greedy maw.

 

[PMZ]

its a marginal rate they only pay that rate on the amount over 199999.99. so he pays .15cents extra, so whos ignorant?

Yet net tax was lower in 1955, because of loopholes and dodges. What you of the left fail to acknowledge is that when Reagan lowered the rates in 86' the net taxes paid by people earning $100,000 and above went UP - despite rates dropping, because the loopholes were closed.

Dishonesty is the foundation of leftism, and leftists routinely fail to mention this part of the calculus.

You want FAIR taxes? ZERO deductions for any reason, a flat rate regardless of income.

Of course most leftists want to rob others and stuff the loot in their own greedy maw.

In order to fall for this, one has to assume that the only variable affecting tax revenue is tax rate. And that one data point shows trends.

Is there anybody out there that cognitively challenged?

And if Reagan was such a macroeconomic genius how come he left behind huge deficits?

The truth is that the most significant variable in tax revenue is the state of business. When business is doing well, tax revenues are doing well.

What allows business to do well? The most significant variable is technological innovation. Ideas. Products that drive whole new markets.

 

[Uncensored2008]

In order to fall for this, one has to assume that the only variable affecting tax revenue is tax rate. And that one data point shows trends.

Is there anybody out there that cognitively challenged?

And if Reagan was such a macroeconomic genius how come he left behind huge deficits?

The truth is that the most significant variable in tax revenue is the state of business. When business is doing well, tax revenues are doing well.

What allows business to do well? The most significant variable is technological innovation. Ideas. Products that drive whole new markets.

Reagan left such a staggering debt that over 8 years, he indebted the nation almost as much as Obama does every month.....

"Truth" and you will never enter the same space. The fact is that the tax reform act placed MORE tax burden on the top - simply by stopping the most blatant cheating. People forget, that high taxes were coupled with insider fraud and were designed primarily to shield the top 1% from upward mobility by the middle.

This is what you of the shameful left work so hard to reinstate, a defacto aristocracy where exemptions and loopholes serve the well connected whilst ******* any who would seek to move up. Sadly, you are having great success, as the wealth disparity of the nation shows.

 

[bripat9643]

its a marginal rate they only pay that rate on the amount over 199999.99. so he pays .15cents extra, so whos ignorant?

Yet net tax was lower in 1955, because of loopholes and dodges. What you of the left fail to acknowledge is that when Reagan lowered the rates in 86' the net taxes paid by people earning $100,000 and above went UP - despite rates dropping, because the loopholes were closed.

Dishonesty is the foundation of leftism, and leftists routinely fail to mention this part of the calculus.

You want FAIR taxes? ZERO deductions for any reason, a flat rate regardless of income.

Of course most leftists want to rob others and stuff the loot in their own greedy maw.

In order to fall for this, one has to assume that the only variable affecting tax revenue is tax rate. And that one data point shows trends.

Is there anybody out there that cognitively challenged?

And if Reagan was such a macroeconomic genius how come he left behind huge deficits?

The truth is that the most significant variable in tax revenue is the state of business. When business is doing well, tax revenues are doing well.

What allows business to do well? The most significant variable is technological innovation. Ideas. Products that drive whole new markets.

The net tax a person pays isn't affected by the business climate or technological innovation. It's determined purely by the tax code, so you just proved you're an idiot.

The strange thing about technological innovation is that it tends to expand when government gets the hell out of the way.

How much technological innovation do you see coming from those welfare states in Europe?

 

[bripat9643]

The ignorance of the left concerning taxes is recognizable to a 7 year old.
Many want to return to the 90% days over a certain amount of income and 50% over a certain amount of income.
Someone makes $200,000 and they raise the tax rate from 35% to 50% for that.
Someone makes $199.999.99 and their rate is 35% and the person that makes ONE CENT MORE has to pay 50%.

He has to pay the 50% on that 1 cent only.

ignorance of the right concerning taxes is recognizable to a 7 year old.

Both the left and the right have their share of ignoramuses, but only the left-wing agenda counts on people being stupid. Every time Obama got in front of a microphone and said "you can keep your current healthcare plan," he was counting a majority of Americans swallowing what a lot of people knew was obvious bullshit.

 

[PMZ]

In order to fall for this, one has to assume that the only variable affecting tax revenue is tax rate. And that one data point shows trends.

Is there anybody out there that cognitively challenged?

And if Reagan was such a macroeconomic genius how come he left behind huge deficits?

The truth is that the most significant variable in tax revenue is the state of business. When business is doing well, tax revenues are doing well.

What allows business to do well? The most significant variable is technological innovation. Ideas. Products that drive whole new markets.

Reagan left such a staggering debt that over 8 years, he indebted the nation almost as much as Obama does every month.....

"Truth" and you will never enter the same space. The fact is that the tax reform act placed MORE tax burden on the top - simply by stopping the most blatant cheating. People forget, that high taxes were coupled with insider fraud and were designed primarily to shield the top 1% from upward mobility by the middle.

This is what you of the shameful left work so hard to reinstate, a defacto aristocracy where exemptions and loopholes serve the well connected whilst ******* any who would seek to move up. Sadly, you are having great success, as the wealth disparity of the nation shows.

You'd be absolutely right if dates caused debt. Unfortunately for conservatives, government policy does. Here's a picture for you.

 

[PMZ]

The ignorance of the left concerning taxes is recognizable to a 7 year old.
Many want to return to the 90% days over a certain amount of income and 50% over a certain amount of income.
Someone makes $200,000 and they raise the tax rate from 35% to 50% for that.
Someone makes $199.999.99 and their rate is 35% and the person that makes ONE CENT MORE has to pay 50%.

He has to pay the 50% on that 1 cent only.

ignorance of the right concerning taxes is recognizable to a 7 year old.

Both the left and the right have their share of ignoramuses, but only the left-wing agenda counts on people being stupid. Every time Obama got in front of a microphone and said "you can keep your current healthcare plan," he was counting a majority of Americans swallowing what a lot of people knew was obvious bullshit.

He was talking about ACA's grandfathering provision. He was not usurping the prerogatives of private insurance companies, although perhaps what they are doing to America now will require that.

He assumed that they would not shoot their feet off. He was mistaken having a high opinion of them.

 

[bripat9643]

He has to pay the 50% on that 1 cent only.

ignorance of the right concerning taxes is recognizable to a 7 year old.

Both the left and the right have their share of ignoramuses, but only the left-wing agenda counts on people being stupid. Every time Obama got in front of a microphone and said "you can keep your current healthcare plan," he was counting a majority of Americans swallowing what a lot of people knew was obvious bullshit.

He was talking about ACA's grandfathering provision. He was not usurping the prerogatives of private insurance companies, although perhaps what they are doing to America now will require that.

He assumed that they would not shoot their feet off. He was mistaken having a high opinion of them.

Let get this straight: You're claiming Obama wasn't lying when he said people could keep their current policies?

If so, you're even dumber than I thought. Obamacare forced the insurance companies to change their policies, and Obama knew it would. You're one of the imbeciles that Obama counts on.

 

[PMZ]

Both the left and the right have their share of ignoramuses, but only the left-wing agenda counts on people being stupid. Every time Obama got in front of a microphone and said "you can keep your current healthcare plan," he was counting a majority of Americans swallowing what a lot of people knew was obvious bullshit.

He was talking about ACA's grandfathering provision. He was not usurping the prerogatives of private insurance companies, although perhaps what they are doing to America now will require that.

He assumed that they would not shoot their feet off. He was mistaken having a high opinion of them.

Let get this straight: You're claiming Obama wasn't lying when he said people could keep their current policies?

If so, you're even dumber than I thought. Obamacare forced the insurance companies to change their policies, and Obama knew it would. You're one of the imbeciles that Obama counts on.

You're one of the imbeciles that I count on. You are the poster boy for the Fox Opinions cult.

All of the insurance companies had a free choice. Grandfather or new. They all chose. Some to grandfather, some not.

As a capitalist you ought to realize that customers choose and companies choose.

I don't know what % chose what, but I think that they are flirting with single payer.

Their customers, like they do as an electorate, will decide the winners and losers.

 

[P@triot]

And if Reagan was such a macroeconomic genius how come he left behind huge deficits?

Because he was forced to clean up after Jimmy Carter. It takes a lot of money to rebuild the military after each Dumbocrat administration dismantles it completely.

Every time the Dumbocrats appeasement stragey fails (see Carter, Clinton, Obama), the Republican's have to clean up the mess that's left. It's unfortunate, but a reality of having ignorant Dumbocrats in your nation.

 

[P@triot]

Both the left and the right have their share of ignoramuses, but only the left-wing agenda counts on people being stupid. Every time Obama got in front of a microphone and said "you can keep your current healthcare plan," he was counting a majority of Americans swallowing what a lot of people knew was obvious bullshit.

He was talking about ACA's grandfathering provision. He was not usurping the prerogatives of private insurance companies, although perhaps what they are doing to America now will require that.

He assumed that they would not shoot their feet off. He was mistaken having a high opinion of them.

Let get this straight: You're claiming Obama wasn't lying when he said people could keep their current policies?

If so, you're even dumber than I thought. Obamacare forced the insurance companies to change their policies, and Obama knew it would. You're one of the imbeciles that Obama counts on.

He's not so much dumb Bripat (I mean, obviously he is) as much as he is a parasite who is desperate to push the Dumbocrat agenda so he can keep living his life as a parasite to his fellow citizens.

I'm shredding him to pieces in another thread and all he does is shit like this - he keeps claiming Obama never lied, Obama didn't collapse the U.S. economy, etc. And my personal favorite, after adding dozens of links which shows that millions of Americans have lost their health insurance policies, he actually keeps claiming that "nobody has lost their health insurance"...

Obviously, nobody is that dumb. Not even PMZ. He just thinks he can convince people that Obama and the Dumbocrats have not been as big of failures as they actually have been.

 

[PMZ]

And if Reagan was such a macroeconomic genius how come he left behind huge deficits?

Because he was forced to clean up after Jimmy Carter. It takes a lot of money to rebuild the military after each Dumbocrat administration dismantles it completely.

Every time the Dumbocrats appeasement stragey fails (see Carter, Clinton, Obama), the Republican's have to clean up the mess that's left. It's unfortunate, but a reality of having ignorant Dumbocrats in your nation.

Now we pay for more than half of the military in the world. I thought that you didn't like high taxes. Must have been another Rotweiner.

 

[PMZ]

He was talking about ACA's grandfathering provision. He was not usurping the prerogatives of private insurance companies, although perhaps what they are doing to America now will require that.

He assumed that they would not shoot their feet off. He was mistaken having a high opinion of them.

Let get this straight: You're claiming Obama wasn't lying when he said people could keep their current policies?

If so, you're even dumber than I thought. Obamacare forced the insurance companies to change their policies, and Obama knew it would. You're one of the imbeciles that Obama counts on.

He's not so much dumb Bripat (I mean, obviously he is) as much as he is a parasite who is desperate to push the Dumbocrat agenda so he can keep living his life as a parasite to his fellow citizens.

I'm shredding him to pieces in another thread and all he does is shit like this - he keeps claiming Obama never lied, Obama didn't collapse the U.S. economy, etc. And my personal favorite, after adding dozens of links which shows that millions of Americans have lost their health insurance policies, he actually keeps claiming that "nobody has lost their health insurance"...

Obviously, nobody is that dumb. Not even PMZ. He just thinks he can convince people that Obama and the Dumbocrats have not been as big of failures as they actually have been.

Where did they lose them?

It's good that we have competition for health insurance. If you don't like your insurance company, buy from another.

 

[bripat9643]

And if Reagan was such a macroeconomic genius how come he left behind huge deficits?

Because he was forced to clean up after Jimmy Carter. It takes a lot of money to rebuild the military after each Dumbocrat administration dismantles it completely.

Every time the Dumbocrats appeasement stragey fails (see Carter, Clinton, Obama), the Republican's have to clean up the mess that's left. It's unfortunate, but a reality of having ignorant Dumbocrats in your nation.

Now we pay for more than half of the military in the world. I thought that you didn't like high taxes. Must have been another Rotweiner.

The military is only 18% of our budget. We have high taxes to pay for all your Democrat socialist boondoggles.

 

[bripat9643]

Let get this straight: You're claiming Obama wasn't lying when he said people could keep their current policies?

If so, you're even dumber than I thought. Obamacare forced the insurance companies to change their policies, and Obama knew it would. You're one of the imbeciles that Obama counts on.

He's not so much dumb Bripat (I mean, obviously he is) as much as he is a parasite who is desperate to push the Dumbocrat agenda so he can keep living his life as a parasite to his fellow citizens.

I'm shredding him to pieces in another thread and all he does is shit like this - he keeps claiming Obama never lied, Obama didn't collapse the U.S. economy, etc. And my personal favorite, after adding dozens of links which shows that millions of Americans have lost their health insurance policies, he actually keeps claiming that "nobody has lost their health insurance"...

Obviously, nobody is that dumb. Not even PMZ. He just thinks he can convince people that Obama and the Dumbocrats have not been as big of failures as they actually have been.

Where did they lose them?

It's good that we have competition for health insurance. If you don't like your insurance company, buy from another.

Obamacare is destroying competition, not creating it. Government is what prevented competition in the first place. The only "uncompetitive" markets are the ones where government outlaws competition.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Government helps competive businesses by making a fair field for smaller companies.

One of the better things that came out of the early 20th century is the government can break apart abusive corporations.

 

[bripat9643]

He was talking about ACA's grandfathering provision. He was not usurping the prerogatives of private insurance companies, although perhaps what they are doing to America now will require that.

He assumed that they would not shoot their feet off. He was mistaken having a high opinion of them.

Let get this straight: You're claiming Obama wasn't lying when he said people could keep their current policies?

If so, you're even dumber than I thought. Obamacare forced the insurance companies to change their policies, and Obama knew it would. You're one of the imbeciles that Obama counts on.

You're one of the imbeciles that I count on. You are the poster boy for the Fox Opinions cult.

All of the insurance companies had a free choice. Grandfather or new. They all chose. Some to grandfather, some not.

Wrong, asshole, they had no choice. Obamacare took away their choices. Obamacare forced them to cover people with pre-exisitng conditions. Obamacare forced them to cover "children" up to 26 years of age. It forced them to make every policy include, obstetrics, birth control, abortion, sex change operations, psychiatric care, and a host of other expensive additions.

You have to be a totally brain damaged Obama fluffer to believe they had any choice in the matter.

As a capitalist you ought to realize that customers choose and companies choose.

Not when government gets in the way, moron.

I don't know what % chose what, but I think that they are flirting with single payer.

Who is "they?" I thought you supported increasing competition, not eliminating it.

Their customers, like they do as an electorate, will decide the winners and losers.

Not if Obamacare remains in place. The whole point of Obamacare is taking choice away from consumers.

 

[bripat9643]

Government helps competive businesses by making a fair field for smaller companies.

One of the better things that came out of the early 20th century is the government can break apart abusive corporations.

The only problem with your theory is that government never does that. Almost every time it does precisely the opposite. It outlaws competition. That's what it did with insurance companies when it ruled that states could prevent companies from outside a state from offering their products.

Whenever we have a problem with a lack of competition, government is always to blame.

 

[uhkilleez]

We need a flat tax and a fiscally conservative and limited government which has its budget under control, coupled with worker's unions that are actually involved with those they are representing in order to negotiate what a fair wage is between the employer and employee without having mindless legislators suggesting they know better what a fair wage is, having no knowledge of the job or the profits earned and then forcing their decision through the coercion of force.