POLL: How many recent police shootings would have happened if....

[Mac1958]

Full disclosure: I have already whipped out the abacus to keep track of how many times it will be said or inferred I am a racist for daring to ask such a CRAZY question...

Let's look at the police shootings of Black Americans over the last five to eight years, particularly those that made national news and/or inspired protests.

What percentage of those shootings would have happened if the guy had simply, immediately and fully followed police orders, like you and I would have? If they had not resisted arrest to some degree?

Addressing this issue should be done with as much care as addressing the issue of bad cops, no?
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[NYcarbineer]

Resisting arrest in NY is a class A misdemeanor. We don't have any provisions for authorizing the police to serve as prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner for class A misdemeanors.

 

[Mac1958]

NYPD resisting-arrest charges more often filed against blacks

 

[BULLDOG]

Full disclosure: I have already whipped out the abacus to keep track of how many times it will be said or inferred I am a racist for daring to ask such a CRAZY question...

Let's look at the police shootings of Black Americans over the last five to eight years, particularly those that made national news and/or inspired protests.

What percentage of those shootings would have happened if the guy had simply, immediately and fully followed police orders, like you and I would have? If they had not resisted arrest to some degree?

Addressing this issue should be done with as much care as addressing the issue of bad cops, no?
.

2 seconds is not enough time to follow any orders

 

[Mac1958]

Full disclosure: I have already whipped out the abacus to keep track of how many times it will be said or inferred I am a racist for daring to ask such a CRAZY question...

Let's look at the police shootings of Black Americans over the last five to eight years, particularly those that made national news and/or inspired protests.

What percentage of those shootings would have happened if the guy had simply, immediately and fully followed police orders, like you and I would have? If they had not resisted arrest to some degree?

Addressing this issue should be done with as much care as addressing the issue of bad cops, no?
.

2 seconds is not enough time to follow any orders

And your vote is...?
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[Iceweasel]

Odd poll. It starts off with 0% do what the cop says or all bets are off, then 25%. WTF?

Some would have happened given the variables since we are talking about people, not machines. But closer to 0 than 25%.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I wouldn't guess a percentage, but based upon what I have seen, the killing in Tulsa recently seems to be of a nature entirely different than the one that sparked the Ferguson riots. Protesting the former strikes me as entirely legitimate while protesting the latter is entirely bogus.

Seems to me, though, that in general, the farther left a person't politics, the more they refuse to see any difference and their conditioned response is to take the side of the black no matter what while the further right a person's politics the more the reverse is true.

 

[GHook93]

NYPD resisting-arrest charges more often filed against blacks

That is because they are far more likely to resist arrest!

White people know fight in the police is a losing battle. Hispanic for the most part do also.

But Blacks fight the cops, act erratically and don't obey commands and then face dire consequences.

 

[Mac1958]

NYPD resisting-arrest charges more often filed against blacks

That is because they are far more likely to resist arrest!

White people know fight in the police is a losing battle. Hispanic for the most part do also.

But Blacks fight the cops, act erratically and don't obey commands and then face dire consequences.

My assumption is that something going on culturally. Either it's generally acceptable to resist arrest or it's actually a positive in some way.

I rarely see this brought up, and it seems blatantly clear to me that it's a critical part of the story.
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[Anathema]

Resisting arrest in NY is a class A misdemeanor. We don't have any provisions for authorizing the police to serve as prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner for class A misdemeanors.

Which is,exactly why this system COMPLETELY FAILS at reducing or stopping crime from happening. There are no serious consequences for committing crimes in this country right now. It's disgusting.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Resisting arrest in NY is a class A misdemeanor. We don't have any provisions for authorizing the police to serve as prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner for class A misdemeanors.

Which is,exactly why this system COMPLETELY FAILS at reducing or stopping crime from happening. There are no serious consequences for committing crimes in this country right now. It's disgusting.

So you support the administration of the death penalty without trial for individuals committing misdemeanors.

Why am I not surprised? You are a typical conservative.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Resisting arrest in NY is a class A misdemeanor. We don't have any provisions for authorizing the police to serve as prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner for class A misdemeanors.

Which is,exactly why this system COMPLETELY FAILS at reducing or stopping crime from happening. There are no serious consequences for committing crimes in this country right now. It's disgusting.

The best example of that would be the original acquittal of the cops who beat up Rodney King.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

NYPD resisting-arrest charges more often filed against blacks

That is because they are far more likely to resist arrest!

White people know fight in the police is a losing battle. Hispanic for the most part do also.

But Blacks fight the cops, act erratically and don't obey commands and then face dire consequences.

My assumption is that something going on culturally. Either it's generally acceptable to resist arrest or it's actually a positive in some way.

I rarely see this brought up, and it seems blatantly clear to me that it's a critical part of the story.
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Get to go spend some time with Uncle June Bug in the joint maybe?

 

[Anathema]

So you support the administration of the death penalty without trial for individuals committing misdemeanors.

I support the death penalty for anyone who breaks the law, period. People need to learn that they are not above the Law or the Culture. Period. Full stop. No exceptions.

Once Society begins to return to an understanding of the Citizen's place in it, then maybe things can be loosened. U til then.... Kill them All and Let the God's sort them out.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Resisting arrest in NY is a class A misdemeanor. We don't have any provisions for authorizing the police to serve as prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner for class A misdemeanors.

Which is,exactly why this system COMPLETELY FAILS at reducing or stopping crime from happening. There are no serious consequences for committing crimes in this country right now. It's disgusting.

So you support the administration of the death penalty without trial for individuals committing misdemeanors.

Why am I not surprised? You are a typical conservative.

Depends on the situation. Clearly not every case of resisting arrest is one where you'd need to shoot the perpetrator.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

So you support the administration of the death penalty without trial for individuals committing misdemeanors.

I support the death penalty for anyone who breaks the law, period. People need to learn that they are not above the Law or the Culture. Period. Full stop. No exceptions.

Once Society begins to return to an understanding of the Citizen's place in it, then maybe things can be loosened. U til then.... Kill them All and Let the God's sort them out.

That brought a tear to my eye. Beautiful words, my friend.

 

[Anathema]

The best example of that would be the original acquittal of the cops who beat up Rodney King.

Ain't nothing wrong with a whuppin, so long as the right people gettin da whuppin.

 

[Anathema]

]Depends on the situation. Clearly not every case of resisting arrest is one where you'd need to shoot the perpetrator.

No. ANY time you disobey the orders of a LEO you should be in fear of ending up dead. That's the incentive not to resist.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

]Depends on the situation. Clearly not every case of resisting arrest is one where you'd need to shoot the perpetrator.

No. ANY time you disobey the orders of a LEO you should be in fear of ending up dead. That's the incentive not to resist.

I don't disagree. What I'm saying is some people who resist arrest wouldn't be worth killing. I'd much prefer what you are talking about, but I was addressing how things are today.

But I agree, they should be fearing for their life when they make the mistake, no question.

 

[bodecea]

How many past police shootings would have not been swept under the rug if cell phone cameras had been around a few decades earlier?