Politics,Sport and Kapernik

[Mac1958]

Just be sure that, when you stand up for what you believe in, you don't offend a Regressive.

Because they will either shut you down, shout you down, find a way to punish you or run to their "Safe Space".

Anything to deflect from the issue, change the subject, avoid honest conversation.
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You are making it partisan Mac. The examples I have chosen are non partisan. Human rights are things that transcend political parties.

bingo. amazing isn't it? happens all the time with mac. funny dat.

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[Steve_McGarrett]

The NFL will soon stand for No-Fans-Left

 

[playtime]

I dont understand the point you are making.

The point I am making is that The NFL for better or worse is a business.
If an employee is pissing off a customer and hurting my business ... The employee has to go.

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how many players were let go after beating their wives & girlfriends? what about mike vick? i would think the backlash from that ruined them all.... right?

 

[Tehon]

Just be sure that, when you stand up for what you believe in, you don't offend a Regressive.

Because they will either shut you down, shout you down, find a way to punish you or run to their "Safe Space".

Anything to deflect from the issue, change the subject, avoid honest conversation.
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Offending people is part of the deal. Why else take a public stand if not to challenge people's thinking?

You would think that would be the case. But those on the receiving end need to be willing to listen for it to matter.

When they refuse to listen, when they'd rather punish or hide, it's all moot.
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It's not moot. You are only focusing on the margins. And the process of forcing those on the margins to react is positive. Contradiction is what drives society forward.

 

[playtime]

Just be sure that, when you stand up for what you believe in, you don't offend a Regressive.

Because they will either shut you down, shout you down, find a way to punish you or run to their "Safe Space".

Anything to deflect from the issue, change the subject, avoid honest conversation.
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You are making it partisan Mac. The examples I have chosen are non partisan. Human rights are things that transcend political parties.

bingo. amazing isn't it? happens all the time with mac. funny dat.

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reading that wrong sweety.... i have much fun with you & the responses you try to pass off.

 

[BlackSand]

how many players were let go after beating their wives & girlfriends? what about mike vick? i would think the backlash from that ruined them all.... right?

It doesn't matter what the employee does ... If it empties the seats ... You cannot afford to keep them.
It is perfectly okay to express your opinions and desires as a player or owner ... The customer still pays the bills.

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[TroglocratsRdumb]

The reason why the protest is bogus is because the police kill more than twice as many White suspects as Black suspects and the Left never protests. That severe imbalance is racist.

Less than 1% of Black murder victims are people who are killed by a policeman but they never protest/care about the other 99% of Black murder victims. That severe imbalance is racist.

Blacks commit 50X more interracial violence than Whites and yet the Left Wingers only protest when Whites commit interracial violence. That severe imbalance is racist.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

how many players were let go after beating their wives & girlfriends? what about mike vick? i would think the backlash from that ruined them all.... right?

It doesn't matter what the employee does ... If it empties the seats ... You cannot afford to keep them.
It is perfectly okay to express your opinions and desires as a player or owner ... The customer still pays the bills.

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If the product is good then people will turn out. Fans can rationalise pretty much everything given time.

 

[BlackSand]

If the product is good then people will turn out. Fans can rationalise pretty much everything given time.

If the customer desires plain football ... And you provide them football with political commentary gravy ... Then you have failed your customer.

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[Tommy Tainant]

If the product is good then people will turn out. Fans can rationalise pretty much everything given time.

If the customer desires plain football ... And you provide them football with political commentary gravy ... Then you have failed your customer.

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I suppose so. But isnt having the anthem before a game a political act in itself ?

 

[iceberg]

Sport and politics have always been interlinked. Sport does not exist in a vacuum and it is an ideal platform for getting your message across.

Here is Jesse Owens defeating the master race. Owens disproved and humiliated Hitlers sick beliefs. Apparently he became friends with the seig heiler on his left.

In 1976 the Olympics were blighted by an African ban over the participation of sanction busting New Zealand.

In 1980 the US led a boycott of the Moscow Olympics in retaliation to Russias invasion of Afghanistan.

In 2000 Zimbabwe were banned from international cricket for human rights abuses.

And then we have principled men willing to stand up for their beliefs.the white guy is an Aussie,Peter Norman. He became a great friend of Smith and Carlos and actually advised them on their protest. They were bearers at his funeral years later.

Here is Robbie Fowler of Liverpool.He has just scored for them and used the moment to show support for the striking Liverpool dockers. His goal is long forgotten but his action will not be.
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Of course Liverpool are possibly the most politicised club in the UK having endured decades of struggle to get justice for their 96 dead supporters .

The question is can you have normal sport in an unjust society. In the 70s the South African team was ostracised from world cricket because of the evil apartheid regime.

Football teams refused to play in the national stadium of Chile. A stadium where Pinochets goons killed people who believed in democracy.

In 2013 Kevin Prince Boateng walked off the field of play after being abused by racist supporters. The rest of his team followed him.
Was Kevin-Prince Boateng Right to Leave the Field After Racist Abuse?

It didnt make a difference. In 2017 Sully Muntari did a similar thing. His team mates did not leave the field and he was criticised by his manager for his actions.
Pescara’s Sulley Muntari walks off after being booked for reporting racist abuse

Why do individuals feel the need to make a stand ? Generally because the governing body is not dealing with the issues.

Contrast the £10k fine meted out to Athletico Madrid for their fans racist chanting:
Atletico Madrid fined 10,000 euros after fans racially abused Manchester City players

And the £110k fine Malmo received for having a sub standard pitch.
UEFA fines Malmo $110,000 for “poor pitch” in Champions League, but racism still only worth $11,000

Of course governing bodies have a proud history of getting it wrong. Here is a pic of the English national team saluting Hitler in a game against the Germans in 1936. The players didnt want to do it but were ordered to by the FA ,and by extension, the government. England are on the left.

Of course its not just the players that make waves. Here are Celtic fans showing their support for Palestine.

Hong Kong fans get a chance to give the Chinese some truth.

And here are Dortmund fans sending out a message.

And fans of Werder Bremen doing likewise.

Mr Kapernicks protest , when seen in this light, is not unique. Becoming an athlete does not mean that you stop being a human being. He obviously feels strongly about this issue and deserves some respect for highlighting it.

Of course he could have taken an easier route.Kept his head down,picked up the cheque and said nothing.

Which is the American way ? Standing up for what you believe in or looking the other way like a coward ?

if i use my work platform to push my political views, pretty sure id get fired.

 

[iceberg]

If the product is good then people will turn out. Fans can rationalise pretty much everything given time.

If the customer desires plain football ... And you provide them football with political commentary gravy ... Then you have failed your customer.

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you can make your own stand all you want. leave the team out of it.

 

[BlackSand]

I suppose so. But isnt having the anthem before a game a political act in itself ?

The act itself (anthem or protest) doesn't make it right or wrong ... Whether or not the customer wants or cares about it enough, influences your cash register.

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[Desperado]

Fuck these players, I watch sports to get away from politics.
Now they are using sports as a tool to bring their political views into sports.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I suppose so. But isnt having the anthem before a game a political act in itself ?

The act itself (anthem or protest) doesn't make it right or wrong ... Whether or not the customer wants or cares about it enough, influences your cash register.

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Sometimes you have to do the right thing whatever the consequences.

 

[BlackSand]

you can make your own stand all you want. leave the team out of it.

The customer takes their stand when they buy a ticket ... The team takes their stand when they provide a product/service.
If the product/service doesn't meet the standards of the customer ... Then you have failed your customer.

Failing any customer will affect your profit ... Fail too many customers and it will affect your viability.
Give one person good service and they may tell another person ... Give one person bad service and they will tell the next 20 people they meet.
That's just business ...

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[Tommy Tainant]

Fuck these players, I watch sports to get away from politics.
Now they are using sports as a tool to bring their political views into sports.

But Tommy Smiths actions did more for civil rights than most. Surely that was worth it ?

 

[Crixus]

Sport and politics have always been interlinked. Sport does not exist in a vacuum and it is an ideal platform for getting your message across.

Here is Jesse Owens defeating the master race. Owens disproved and humiliated Hitlers sick beliefs. Apparently he became friends with the seig heiler on his left.

In 1976 the Olympics were blighted by an African ban over the participation of sanction busting New Zealand.

In 1980 the US led a boycott of the Moscow Olympics in retaliation to Russias invasion of Afghanistan.

In 2000 Zimbabwe were banned from international cricket for human rights abuses.

And then we have principled men willing to stand up for their beliefs.the white guy is an Aussie,Peter Norman. He became a great friend of Smith and Carlos and actually advised them on their protest. They were bearers at his funeral years later.

Here is Robbie Fowler of Liverpool.He has just scored for them and used the moment to show support for the striking Liverpool dockers. His goal is long forgotten but his action will not be.
View attachment 151039


Of course Liverpool are possibly the most politicised club in the UK having endured decades of struggle to get justice for their 96 dead supporters .

The question is can you have normal sport in an unjust society. In the 70s the South African team was ostracised from world cricket because of the evil apartheid regime.

Football teams refused to play in the national stadium of Chile. A stadium where Pinochets goons killed people who believed in democracy.

In 2013 Kevin Prince Boateng walked off the field of play after being abused by racist supporters. The rest of his team followed him.
Was Kevin-Prince Boateng Right to Leave the Field After Racist Abuse?

It didnt make a difference. In 2017 Sully Muntari did a similar thing. His team mates did not leave the field and he was criticised by his manager for his actions.
Pescara’s Sulley Muntari walks off after being booked for reporting racist abuse

Why do individuals feel the need to make a stand ? Generally because the governing body is not dealing with the issues.

Contrast the £10k fine meted out to Athletico Madrid for their fans racist chanting:
Atletico Madrid fined 10,000 euros after fans racially abused Manchester City players

And the £110k fine Malmo received for having a sub standard pitch.
UEFA fines Malmo $110,000 for “poor pitch” in Champions League, but racism still only worth $11,000

Of course governing bodies have a proud history of getting it wrong. Here is a pic of the English national team saluting Hitler in a game against the Germans in 1936. The players didnt want to do it but were ordered to by the FA ,and by extension, the government. England are on the left.

Of course its not just the players that make waves. Here are Celtic fans showing their support for Palestine.

Hong Kong fans get a chance to give the Chinese some truth.

And here are Dortmund fans sending out a message.

And fans of Werder Bremen doing likewise.

Mr Kapernicks protest , when seen in this light, is not unique. Becoming an athlete does not mean that you stop being a human being. He obviously feels strongly about this issue and deserves some respect for highlighting it.

Of course he could have taken an easier route.Kept his head down,picked up the cheque and said nothing.

Which is the American way ? Standing up for what you believe in or looking the other way like a coward ?

Standing up for their beliefs? Kapernik was on his way out. He basic Cruz racisem because he sucks. Non of the Black fellas can say shit about oppression. How about all the rape, drug and murder cases that come out of the NFL and NBA? And looking at that, you will sit here and compare these over pairs hoodrats to Rosa Parks? None of these guys really had to do much more then run a play all their lives and all of a sudden they are hero so? Hey there guys, if you want to argue about political shit fine, please do it here, not at my football games which were my respite from political. The wourld would not end if they would just make them sit in the locker room and take a knee until their contract run out.

 

[BlackSand]

Sometimes you have to do the right thing whatever the consequences.

In that case there is no need to bitch about the consequences.

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[Desperado]

Fuck these players, I watch sports to get away from politics.
Now they are using sports as a tool to bring their political views into sports.

But Tommy Smiths actions did more for civil rights than most. Surely that was worth it ?

Nope Sports are Sports and politics are politics and should remain separate