Politics of the Article V Convention Brewing

[Sicilianthing]

What is Plan B or C if the ConCon fails to remove the Traitor Asshole Officials in D.C. ?
Will Citizen’s Armed Militias assist in the Removal should they fail to comply?


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The people must take control
Congress has had their chance.

Neither party cares about the well-being of American citizens, so they refuse to fix this nation's most serious problems.

It's time for We the People to use the tools the Founders gave us in the Constitution to do what Congress never will: return power to the states and the people.

The answer is in Article V -- we just need to find the courage to use it.

Keep reading to learn more.

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[Billy_Kinetta]

Americans are historically slow to anger.

 

[whitehall]

Wouldn't you know, crazy disappointed angry borderline psychotics are now calling for anarchy rather than working within the system. No surprises here.

 

[HenryBHough]

Treason by any name deserves the death penalty. Too bad hanging/drawing/quartering is out of fashion.

 

[FA_Q2]

You don't want an article V convention. We have been moving further and further into a socialistic nanny state for a long time now. Give a group the ability to rewrite the constitution and I am betting that what comes out is going to be a disaster.

 

[Sicilianthing]

Americans are historically slow to anger.

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Americans are generally Stupid and Complacent until it’s on their Doorstep or spills the blood of their own.

 

[Sicilianthing]

Wouldn't you know, crazy disappointed angry borderline psychotics are now calling for anarchy rather than working within the system. No surprises here.

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Huh? Can you please elaborate?

 

[Sicilianthing]

Treason by any name deserves the death penalty. Too bad hanging/drawing/quartering is out of fashion.

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Well when the chains come off guys like me will go to work and Hanging will come back in style for Traitors all across this land.

As for as drawing & quartering that’s really not necessary anymore.

Muslims however, who don’t belong here will all be leaving this Republic Dead or Alive, makes no difference to me.

 

[Sicilianthing]

You don't want an article V convention. We have been moving further and further into a socialistic nanny state for a long time now. Give a group the ability to rewrite the constitution and I am betting that what comes out is going to be a disaster.

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You are correct and I agree with not wanting it... but the only thing I want is to see them Vote to bring all the Asshole Traitor Officials back to their home states, vacate the Foreign Interest Fraud Corp in D.C. and actually see if they comply.

That’s the only real reason I want this to go down... because if they don’t comply, pack up and leave then Plan B and C will be executed !

Plan B and C is what I’ve been screaming about for years.

 

[Mac1958]

Can someone translate the thread title and OP for me?

 

[Sicilianthing]

Can someone translate the thread title and OP for me?

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So what are you trying to say ? can someone please translate this guys post for me ?

 

[bripat9643]

You don't want an article V convention. We have been moving further and further into a socialistic nanny state for a long time now. Give a group the ability to rewrite the constitution and I am betting that what comes out is going to be a disaster.

They can't rewrite the Constitution. All they can do is propose amendments, and those amendments have to be approved by 3/4 of the states to become law.

 

[FA_Q2]

You don't want an article V convention. We have been moving further and further into a socialistic nanny state for a long time now. Give a group the ability to rewrite the constitution and I am betting that what comes out is going to be a disaster.

They can't rewrite the Constitution. All they can do is propose amendments, and those amendments have to be approved by 3/4 of the states to become law.

That is unclear. Further, amendments can and do rewrite the constitution. There are no limits to the changes that can be made with amendments and I do not trust the current climate to produce something that is an improvement over what we have. You are not going to see changes that emphasize protecting rights or limiting government - you are going to see amendments that expand the scope of the government and increase the welfare state.

 

[bripat9643]

You don't want an article V convention. We have been moving further and further into a socialistic nanny state for a long time now. Give a group the ability to rewrite the constitution and I am betting that what comes out is going to be a disaster.

They can't rewrite the Constitution. All they can do is propose amendments, and those amendments have to be approved by 3/4 of the states to become law.

That is unclear. Further, amendments can and do rewrite the constitution. There are no limits to the changes that can be made with amendments and I do not trust the current climate to produce something that is an improvement over what we have. You are not going to see changes that emphasize protecting rights or limiting government - you are going to see amendments that expand the scope of the government and increase the welfare state.

I don't thnk so. The red states outnumber the blue stats.

 

[MPS777]

You don't want an article V convention. We have been moving further and further into a socialistic nanny state for a long time now. Give a group the ability to rewrite the constitution and I am betting that what comes out is going to be a disaster.

They can't rewrite the Constitution. All they can do is propose amendments, and those amendments have to be approved by 3/4 of the states to become law.

That is unclear. Further, amendments can and do rewrite the constitution. There are no limits to the changes that can be made with amendments and I do not trust the current climate to produce something that is an improvement over what we have. You are not going to see changes that emphasize protecting rights or limiting government - you are going to see amendments that expand the scope of the government and increase the welfare state.

I don't thnk so. The red states outnumber the blue stats.

Here’s something I found interesting to note. In the video with Tom Coburn he insinuates that this convention would help us FIX Social Security and Medicare. Then from the website in the OP it seems to endorse this possible outcome:
“A redefinition of the General Welfare Clause (the original view was the federal government could not spend money on any topic within the jurisdiction of the states)”
Well, as many conservatives have noted, these two objectives are incompatible because using the “original view”, Social Security and Medicare would not be fixed, but entirely struck down as unconstitutional:
The General Welfare Clause is not about writing checks

So then, does it really matter that there will be mostly “red states” at the convention? “Red state” only really means ‘mostly republican’; but Republicans support using the ‘general welfare clause’ to allow the federal government to spend money on anything they want almost as much as the Democrats do. Medicare is very popular with Republicans, thus the reason Tom Coburn talked about FIXING it. General welfare clause abuse probably accounts for half the federal budget and half the federal bureaucracy (swamp). In fact I think Republicans mostly support all TYPES of federal overreach just as much as the Democrats, the only real difference is in the degree.

I don’t think we can just be sending the same old Republican or Democrat politicians to this convention. Just because they are state level Republicrats, doesn’t mean they don’t support the same policies as federal ones. Heck, even the so called “constitutional originalist” judges on the supreme court don’t seem to understand federal general welfare clause abuse. I read the dissent on the big Obamacare supreme court case, and I didn’t see them discuss it.

What I think needs to be done is that the people need to understand why federal decentralization could be quite healthy and helpful for this nation. I live in a majority Democrat region, and I’ve actually had a fair amount of success in my talks with a few Democrat type people. But I think often it takes personal, one-on-one type discussions. If I was a delegate to this Convention of the States, I would offer one amendment (as I discuss here):
constitutional amendment discussion

 

[FA_Q2]

You don't want an article V convention. We have been moving further and further into a socialistic nanny state for a long time now. Give a group the ability to rewrite the constitution and I am betting that what comes out is going to be a disaster.

They can't rewrite the Constitution. All they can do is propose amendments, and those amendments have to be approved by 3/4 of the states to become law.

That is unclear. Further, amendments can and do rewrite the constitution. There are no limits to the changes that can be made with amendments and I do not trust the current climate to produce something that is an improvement over what we have. You are not going to see changes that emphasize protecting rights or limiting government - you are going to see amendments that expand the scope of the government and increase the welfare state.

I don't thnk so. The red states outnumber the blue stats.

Yes they do.

That is pretty irrelevant though considering that the republicans are almost as bad at pushing the welfare state as the democrats these days.

 

[Spare_change]

Full moon tonight?

 

[Crixus]

You don't want an article V convention. We have been moving further and further into a socialistic nanny state for a long time now. Give a group the ability to rewrite the constitution and I am betting that what comes out is going to be a disaster.

Grantee it.

 

[MPS777]

Full moon tonight?

Lol, there's always a full moon over the politics forum, haven't you noticed

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

There will be no Article V convention.