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Some of the wealthiest Americans shouldn't be permitted to pay zero tax.And because of this they should pay even more than they already do, right? The top 10% pay 70% of income taxes as of now. That does not include property tax or state income tax.
I think the rate is pretty fair for the 400K+... The majority of raises should come from the 1M+ Those are the ones that most significantly horde the wealth... It needs to redistribute and recirculate or they end up owning everything and we end up in corporate socialism. You don't want that do you?And because of this they should pay even more than they already do, right? The top 10% pay 70% of income taxes as of now. That does not include property tax or state income tax.
kyzr thinks conservatives fear the Laffer curve and supplyside economics!Did he really? Are tariffs a conservative thing? Is massive spending a conservative thing? Is huge debt a conservative thing? I think not to all 3.
I mean he had a part to play and he has done it to perfection. The duopoly has been working to divide us since 1992 when Ross Perot scared the shit out of them. From that point on everything they do has been about dividing the populous to entrench their power and make sure we "hate the other side" so much we would never think to not vote for our side, no matter how much they suck because the other side is just pure evil.
Like him or hate him, nobody has ever divided the country the way Trump has.
We might be talking past each other. Here is a summary:You're not in tune with the political right's support of supplyside economics and that's because you have misstated what the Laffer curve is supposed to mean. Wrong!
Conservatives support the principle of the Laffer curve because it advocates tax decreases bring in more government revenue. Fear the Laffer curve??
You're over your head in the conversation if that's what you believe!
Liar.kyzr thinks conservatives fear the Laffer curve and supplyside economics!
Isn't that enough to write him off as a poser pretending to understand this debate?
There is a big difference between leftists, activists, and students protesting Trump (who cares?), and governments formally holding a US president in contempt (a big f'king deal!).remember the trump in a diaper balloon. LOL
yes, but kyzr is taking the thread OT by revisioning Trump.1. Not really true by any actual measure. What was the Trump GDP average during his first 3 years?
2, He was getting there
3. This is just stupid, Trump did not develop anything.
4. Not really, very few jobs "returned" to the US.
5. What percent of his did he keep?
Lets say we got rid of the thirty thousand illegal aliens. At the same time we should cut welfare to a level that is lower than minimum wage. In fact, the highest paid welfare recipient should be making at least 10% less than the lowest paid worker. The labor shortage caused by the deportation of illegal aliens will cause wages to rise and the welfare disincentive will cause those people to look seriously at employment.I'm all for welfare reforms that incentivize working and production. Teach them to fish. No issues with that. But all I hear from the right is bitching about wasting money and calling poor people moochers. Sure some do mooch and take advantage of the system. The system should be made better to avoid that as much as possible. But there are sooo many more that it helps. So lets hear ideas on how to make it better and help more people in better ways. Not the peanut gallery that only has endless complaints about wasting money.
1. Trump's GDP was 2%, not bad, but the unemployment rate and participation rate, and income gap were better than average.1. Not really true by any actual measure. What was the Trump GDP average during his first 3 years?
2, He was getting there
3. This is just stupid, Trump did not develop anything.
4. Not really, very few jobs "returned" to the US.
5. What percent of his did he keep?
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Your plan would cause a humanitarian crisis, police state, surging crime wave and economic recession that would last for years. Do you really see it as a plan that would work out successfully or is it just idealistic thinking?Lets say we got rid of the thirty thousand illegal aliens. At the same time we should cut welfare to a level that is lower than minimum wage. In fact, the highest paid welfare recipient should be making at least 10% less than the lowest paid worker. The labor shortage caused by the deportation of illegal aliens will cause wages to rise and the welfare disincentive will cause those people to look seriously at employment.
I'd say the ramifications you have stated will come about quicker if we stay on the current Marxist express. I've believed in America first and protectionism long before Trump showed up.Your plan would cause a humanitarian crisis, police state, surging crime wave and economic recession that would last for years. Do you really see it as a plan that would work out successfully or is it just idealistic thinking?
1. Trump's GDP was 2%, not bad, but the unemployment rate and participation rate, and income gap were better than average.
3. Trump created operation Warp Speed that developed, manufactured, and got jabs in record time, you're welcome.
4. It does take time to get companies to build factories in the US instead of overseas. Xiden failed, GM is building in Mexico, how stupid are unions for voting for Xiden?
You're plan would cause what I laid out almost immediately. The current state of affairs has been in place for decades and we've seen the areas that I laid out show steady improvement. You may want to rethink your thinking.I'd say the ramifications you have stated will come about quicker if we stay on the current Marxist express. I've believed in America first and protectionism long before Trump showed up.
All of these "objections' have nothing to do with the dem plan, and everything to do with making it even shittier to be poor in America.Your plan would cause a humanitarian crisis, police state, surging crime wave and economic recession that would last for years. Do you really see it as a plan that would work out successfully or is it just idealistic thinking?
We're not talking past each other when you're willing to turn yourself inside out and become a liberal, just to evade the fact that you claimed that conservatives 'feared' supplyside economics.We might be talking past each other. Here is a summary:
I think tax cuts can work out ok in a situation where A. more investment/spending would result in more production and/or more consumption B. without great inflation. We are not in that situation, and haven't been, for at least 20 years.We might be talking past each other. Here is a summary:
1. The Laffer Curve exists, it is conservative economic dogma, and it is totally WRONG
2. The Laffer Curve is a GOP rationale' to cut taxes, nothing more, it always just creates more DEBT
3. You aren't very good at stating/summarizing disputed facts.
4. As a real conservative I support a Balanced Budget, not the Laffer Curve.
1. Obama's recovery was the worst ever. Its not me saying that its an economic fact.Obama was attacked by the right and Trump for his GDP growth not being above 3%, now 2% is "not bad"....does that goal post get heavy?
UE had been dropping for 5 years straight when Trump took over, all he did was continue the trend.
Trump did not create WS, it was created by Congress when they passed the first COVID bill. Based on when Trump started talking about WS, he did not even know about it for 2 months. Also, the reason we got vaccine in record time is because of the decade long research into mRNA technology. All the money in the world could not have replaced that.
That plant has been there since 1981, and you want to blame Biden for it....fuck dude I thought you were better than that.
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I became a real conservative when the Debt spiraled out of control.We're not talking past each other when you're willing to turn yourself inside out and become a liberal, just to evade the fact that you claimed that conservatives 'feared' supply-side economics.
Since when did 'real' conservatives like you start trying to run away from Reaganomics?
1. Obama's recovery was the worst ever. Its not me saying that its an economic fact.
2. It was 50-years since UE was as low as Trump had it, 3.5% is "full employment", You're welcome.
4. GM is spending $1b in Mexico to make the Volt, period. Way to go UAW voters! Enjoy Xiden's selling you out. Trump would have had that plant built in the US.
I became a real conservative when the Debt spiraled out of control.
