Point-by-Point: The Toughest Gaps Between US Peace Plan and Europe’s Reply

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Europe’s E3 powers – Britain, France and Germany – have drafted a counter-proposal to the controversial US peace plan for Ukraine, offering a point-by-point revision of the leaked document.

Reuters has released the text of a European counter-proposal, which the agency reviewed on Sunday. Kyiv Post has compared it with the original US draft on a point-by-point basis.


While the EU uses the American plan as its foundation, it rewrites, deletes, or reframes multiple elements that critics noted would reward Moscow or compromise Kyiv’s sovereignty.

This is embarrassing. The US is acting like an agent of Russia. Even some repubs are saying this is nothing more than a Putin wish list. Zelensky needs to stand firm or he will be crushed under the Russian boot. Why is trump carrying Putin's water?
Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have balked at the arrangement, but Nebraska Representative Don Bacon was reportedly “so angry” at the idea that he thought about quitting the lower chamber altogether, he told Axios Monday night.

Bacon has little to lose since he’s already on track to retire—he announced in June that he will not seek reelection in 2026, capping his 10-year career in Congress in early 2027.

That’s given the 62-year-old some extra wiggle room to lament the Trump administration’s maneuverings, damning the rushed peace process as the “Witkoff Ukrainian surrender plan” after special envoy Steve Witkoff, who played a major role in crafting the deal.
 
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Europe’s E3 powers – Britain, France and Germany – have drafted a counter-proposal to the controversial US peace plan for Ukraine, offering a point-by-point revision of the leaked document.

Reuters has released the text of a European counter-proposal, which the agency reviewed on Sunday. Kyiv Post has compared it with the original US draft on a point-by-point basis.


While the EU uses the American plan as its foundation, it rewrites, deletes, or reframes multiple elements that critics noted would reward Moscow or compromise Kyiv’s sovereignty.

This is embarrassing. The US is acting like an agent of Russia. Even some repubs are saying this is nothing more than a Putin wish list. Zelensky needs to stand firm or he will be crushed under the Russian boot. Why is trump carrying Putin's water?
Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have balked at the arrangement, but Nebraska Representative Don Bacon was reportedly “so angry” at the idea that he thought about quitting the lower chamber altogether, he told Axios Monday night.

Bacon has little to lose since he’s already on track to retire—he announced in June that he will not seek reelection in 2026, capping his 10-year career in Congress in early 2027.

That’s given the 62-year-old some extra wiggle room to lament the Trump administration’s maneuverings, damning the rushed peace process as the “Witkoff Ukrainian surrender plan” after special envoy Steve Witkoff, who played a major role in crafting the deal.
If Putin agrees, he will behave himself, as he always has, under Trump, but if some whimp like Obama or Biden are elected, all bets are off.
 
The Eurotrash plan needs to be rejected out of hand. Just another sad attempt to give those weakling relevance while placing the responsibility of enforcement on us. No thanks. Time to leave NATO, those Eurotrash scum have no intention of pulling their weight or in long term peace.
 


Europe’s E3 powers – Britain, France and Germany – have drafted a counter-proposal to the controversial US peace plan for Ukraine, offering a point-by-point revision of the leaked document.

Reuters has released the text of a European counter-proposal, which the agency reviewed on Sunday. Kyiv Post has compared it with the original US draft on a point-by-point basis.


While the EU uses the American plan as its foundation, it rewrites, deletes, or reframes multiple elements that critics noted would reward Moscow or compromise Kyiv’s sovereignty.

This is embarrassing. The US is acting like an agent of Russia. Even some repubs are saying this is nothing more than a Putin wish list. Zelensky needs to stand firm or he will be crushed under the Russian boot. Why is trump carrying Putin's water?
Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have balked at the arrangement, but Nebraska Representative Don Bacon was reportedly “so angry” at the idea that he thought about quitting the lower chamber altogether, he told Axios Monday night.

Bacon has little to lose since he’s already on track to retire—he announced in June that he will not seek reelection in 2026, capping his 10-year career in Congress in early 2027.

That’s given the 62-year-old some extra wiggle room to lament the Trump administration’s maneuverings, damning the rushed peace process as the “Witkoff Ukrainian surrender plan” after special envoy Steve Witkoff, who played a major role in crafting the deal.

A further blow to American standing in the world.

Donald Trump has been singing Putin’s line, chapter nd verse for a decade.

He has worked diligently to sow division a omost virtually all of our traditional allies.

No one trust Trump. No one believes him. And no one will take him,or the country he is supposed to be serving at face value.

Trump has been making a supreme effort to set himself up as the Neville Chamberlain of the Ukraine War. Campaigning regularly to give the Russians exactly what they want.

The Russians couldn’t have designed a better patsy.

Putin has publicly humiliated Trump repeatedly since Trump came back. Refusing to participate in negotiations, but not until after Trump announced them. At one point, he kept Trump on hold for fifteen minutes while Putin partied on live TV.

This latest is no exception.

Putin has delivered his dictates to Washington expecting Trump to present them as an American proposal. And to make sure the Trump crowd complied, they leaked it to the press.

And we all watched while the stooges stumbled all over each other trying to up with a story.
 
A further blow to American standing in the world.

Donald Trump has been singing Putin’s line, chapter nd verse for a decade.

He has worked diligently to sow division a omost virtually all of our traditional allies.

No one trust Trump. No one believes him. And no one will take him,or the country he is supposed to be serving at face value.

Trump has been making a supreme effort to set himself up as the Neville Chamberlain of the Ukraine War. Campaigning regularly to give the Russians exactly what they want.

The Russians couldn’t have designed a better patsy.

Putin has publicly humiliated Trump repeatedly since Trump came back. Refusing to participate in negotiations, but not until after Trump announced them. At one point, he kept Trump on hold for fifteen minutes while Putin partied on live TV.

This latest is no exception.

Putin has delivered his dictates to Washington expecting Trump to present them as an American proposal. And to make sure the Trump crowd complied, they leaked it to the press.

And we all watched while the stooges stumbled all over each other trying to up with a story.
Allies cannot trust US intel with their secrets. They will, most likely, end up in Moscow.
 
If Putin agrees, he will behave himself, as he always has, under Trump, but if some whimp like Obama or Biden are elected, all bets are off.
This is of course low IQ cult psychobabbale. The entire world watched as Putin doubled his attacks, when the fat rapist took office.
 
This is of course low IQ cult psychobabbale. The entire world watched as Putin doubled his attacks, when the fat rapist took office.
The Pedo is allowing Poootin to bomb apartment houses and killing women and children while Donnie hands over a Poootin Christmas list as a peace plan. The entire world knows trump is a Poootin Pawn.
 
I wonder what happened to that 250000 man army the EU was gonna send to Ukraine?
 
I wonder what happened to that 250000 man army the EU was gonna send to Ukraine?
It never existed, you misunderstood.

Ukrainian commander calls for EU to finance 300,000 Ukrainian troops instead of sending Western soldiers​

Colonel Andrii Biletskyi proposes 10-year European financing for 250,000-300,000 Ukrainian soldiers as a strategic alternative to Western troop deployments, citing Britain’s £2 billion support model.

 
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It vanished from your imagination.

No such promise was ever made.
The EU is full of pussys that don't want to fight Russians. They think they can use democrats to fight their wars for them.

Democrats = traitors
 


Europe’s E3 powers – Britain, France and Germany – have drafted a counter-proposal to the controversial US peace plan for Ukraine, offering a point-by-point revision of the leaked document.

Reuters has released the text of a European counter-proposal, which the agency reviewed on Sunday. Kyiv Post has compared it with the original US draft on a point-by-point basis.


While the EU uses the American plan as its foundation, it rewrites, deletes, or reframes multiple elements that critics noted would reward Moscow or compromise Kyiv’s sovereignty.

This is embarrassing. The US is acting like an agent of Russia. Even some repubs are saying this is nothing more than a Putin wish list. Zelensky needs to stand firm or he will be crushed under the Russian boot. Why is trump carrying Putin's water?
Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have balked at the arrangement, but Nebraska Representative Don Bacon was reportedly “so angry” at the idea that he thought about quitting the lower chamber altogether, he told Axios Monday night.

Bacon has little to lose since he’s already on track to retire—he announced in June that he will not seek reelection in 2026, capping his 10-year career in Congress in early 2027.

That’s given the 62-year-old some extra wiggle room to lament the Trump administration’s maneuverings, damning the rushed peace process as the “Witkoff Ukrainian surrender plan” after special envoy Steve Witkoff, who played a major role in crafting the deal.
Russia won the war Biden and Obama started (when they helped install a puppet regime in 2014).

The treaty should reflect that, not your imagined reality that somehow Ukraine is the winner.

The Ukraine lost as soon as it trusted the US State Department and the CIA, who lied to them and told them this war would be quick and they would win.
 
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It never existed, you misunderstood.

Ukrainian commander calls for EU to finance 300,000 Ukrainian troops instead of sending Western soldiers​

Colonel Andrii Biletskyi proposes 10-year European financing for 250,000-300,000 Ukrainian soldiers as a strategic alternative to Western troop deployments, citing Britain’s £2 billion support model.

Yup. The whole point of the war was to cull all the white Christian men of Ukraine.

Then when the war is over, they will “need” to import third world trash.
 
trump is not even trying to conceal his lust for the war criminal, Poootin.
You’re not even trying to conceal your lust for an endless war that is mainly killing white Christians.
 


Europe’s E3 powers – Britain, France and Germany – have drafted a counter-proposal to the controversial US peace plan for Ukraine, offering a point-by-point revision of the leaked document.

Reuters has released the text of a European counter-proposal, which the agency reviewed on Sunday. Kyiv Post has compared it with the original US draft on a point-by-point basis.


While the EU uses the American plan as its foundation, it rewrites, deletes, or reframes multiple elements that critics noted would reward Moscow or compromise Kyiv’s sovereignty.

This is embarrassing. The US is acting like an agent of Russia. Even some repubs are saying this is nothing more than a Putin wish list. Zelensky needs to stand firm or he will be crushed under the Russian boot. Why is trump carrying Putin's water?
Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have balked at the arrangement, but Nebraska Representative Don Bacon was reportedly “so angry” at the idea that he thought about quitting the lower chamber altogether, he told Axios Monday night.

Bacon has little to lose since he’s already on track to retire—he announced in June that he will not seek reelection in 2026, capping his 10-year career in Congress in early 2027.

That’s given the 62-year-old some extra wiggle room to lament the Trump administration’s maneuverings, damning the rushed peace process as the “Witkoff Ukrainian surrender plan” after special envoy Steve Witkoff, who played a major role in crafting the deal.

Trump needs to tell EU "Talk to the Hand"
 
No one trust Trump. No one believes him. And no one will take him,or the country he is supposed to be serving at face value
So if Zelensky doesn’t trust President Trump, why should America trust Zelensky?

He’s turned into a little dictator himself. He cancelled elections and jails his political opposition. It’s no wonder that Dems worship Zelensky, he is the model dictator for the left.
 
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