Pluto and Surface Air Pressure

[EMH]

Show me today, on Earth, where warmer conditions result in higher SAP.
Show me today, on Earth, where cooler conditions result in lower SAP.

You just dodged the issue of temperature locally being the key variable. In northern hemisphere winter, when Earth is closest to Sun, SAP rises 1%. You ascribe that to cold winter weather. If that was really the case, the correlation would result in a much larger change of SAP, but it doesn't, and you do not want to attempt to explain why. What causes that is Earth being closer to Sun.

You were asked to ID places on Earth where "constant" SAP varies. You couldn't do that, because LOCAL WEATHER is completely irrelevant to SAP. What matters to SAP is the temperature of Earth as a whole. And that is why SAP is "constant" aka only fluctuates 1-2% solely because EARTH WARMS WHEN IT IS CLOSER TO SUN....


and to "counter" that you had WU cook up more FUDGE.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You just dodged the issue of temperature locally being the key variable. In northern hemisphere winter, when Earth is closest to Sun, SAP rises 1%. You ascribe that to cold winter weather. If that was really the case, the correlation would result in a much larger change of SAP, but it doesn't, and you do not want to attempt to explain why. What causes that is Earth being closer to Sun.

You were asked to ID places on Earth where "constant" SAP varies. You couldn't do that, because LOCAL WEATHER is completely irrelevant to SAP. What matters to SAP is the temperature of Earth as a whole. And that is why SAP is "constant" aka only fluctuates 1-2% solely because EARTH WARMS WHEN IT IS CLOSER TO SUN....


and to "counter" that you had WU cook up more FUDGE.

You just dodged the issue of temperature locally being the key variable. In northern hemisphere winter, when Earth is closest to Sun, SAP rises 1%.

And you think the cause of the SAP increase is the additional energy hitting the Earth. Correct?

You ascribe that to cold winter weather. If that was really the case, the correlation would result in a much larger change of SAP

Why would it be a larger change?

You were asked to ID places on Earth where "constant" SAP varies.

I don't understand what that question means. Try again?

What matters to SAP is the temperature of Earth as a whole.

You've never posted "the temperature of Earth as a whole".
Or "the SAP of Earth as a whole"

And that is why SAP is "constant" aka only fluctuates 1-2%

A fluctuation of 1-2% means it isn't constant.

fluctuates 1-2% solely because EARTH WARMS WHEN IT IS CLOSER TO SUN....

The parts of the Earth that warm after receiving more solar energy have lower SAP.

 

[ReinyDays]

Lowering pressure condenses water ... which in turn releases energy into the environment ... which in turn raise temperatures ... I guess stupid is what stupid does ... and the Jews at NOAA aren't helping either ...

Ever notice it's warmer when it's raining or snowing? ... that's the latent heat of condensation and/or deposition ...

 

[EMH]

And you think the cause of the SAP increase is the additional energy hitting the Earth. Correct?

No question at all. That's the cause.

Why would it be a larger change?

and any temperature in degrees Celsius can be converted to kelvin by adding 273.15.


Kelvin is the temp used in air pressure calcs...

	=	absolute temperature = kelvin
	=	mass of one air molecule

So if there is a 30 degree K change summer vs winter, then the air pressure should change accordingly, 10%... not 1%.

But it doesn't because local temps and weather do not change SAP because SAP is planetary... not local.

You've never posted "the temperature of Earth as a whole".
Or "the SAP of Earth as a whole"

The standard surface air pressure constant is 1013.25 millibars (mb), which is considered the average atmospheric pressure at sea level on Earth; this translates to roughly 14.7 pounds per square inch (psi)

There is no mention of location or summer/winter etc... and that is why you can't find any real variation of SAP except during weather events like canes. There isn't much variation at all because SAP is planetary. In fact some consider Earth SAP to be "constant" aka the Google definition above... like gravity.... LOL!!!

And that is why a mere 1% change when Earth is closer to Sun gets a lot of attention, oh wow, my god, run for cover, there is a whopping 1% change in SAP!!!

Because 1% is actually a "big variance" in SAP.... because SAP is planetary, not local or seasonal.


The temperature of Earth as a whole is obviously something currently filled with FUDGE. But to most rational people of science, the statement

WHEN EARTH IS CLOSER TO SUN IT IS WARMER THAN WHEN IT IS FURTHER AWAY FROM SUN

is likely to be accepted as true.

The parts of the Earth that warm after receiving more solar energy have lower SAP.

Hopefully someday you and the Co2 FRAUD big wigs who own WU will have to testify that under oath in a court, where the charge is treason...

 

[EMH]

Ever notice it's warmer when it's raining or snowing?

Ever notice that Co2 FRAUD never wants to talk about 60 years of Earth SAP trending down while Co2 FRAUD claims warming and ongoing net ice melt, but rather endlessly wants to talk "hot air rises" and claims the data from Mars somehow doesn't apply to Earth, since there are no taxpayers on Mars to bilk for fudging data...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No question at all. That's the cause.





and any temperature in degrees Celsius can be converted to kelvin by adding 273.15.


Kelvin is the temp used in air pressure calcs...

	=	absolute temperature = kelvin
	=	mass of one air molecule

So if there is a 30 degree K change summer vs winter, then the air pressure should change accordingly, 10%... not 1%.

But it doesn't because local temps and weather do not change SAP because SAP is planetary... not local.








The standard surface air pressure constant is 1013.25 millibars (mb), which is considered the average atmospheric pressure at sea level on Earth; this translates to roughly 14.7 pounds per square inch (psi)

There is no mention of location or summer/winter etc... and that is why you can't find any real variation of SAP except during weather events like canes. There isn't much variation at all because SAP is planetary. In fact some consider Earth SAP to be "constant" aka the Google definition above... like gravity.... LOL!!!

And that is why a mere 1% change when Earth is closer to Sun gets a lot of attention, oh wow, my god, run for cover, there is a whopping 1% change in SAP!!!

Because 1% is actually a "big variance" in SAP.... because SAP is planetary, not local or seasonal.


The temperature of Earth as a whole is obviously something currently filled with FUDGE. But to most rational people of science, the statement

WHEN EARTH IS CLOSER TO SUN IT IS WARMER THAN WHEN IT IS FURTHER AWAY FROM SUN

is likely to be accepted as true.







Hopefully someday you and the Co2 FRAUD big wigs who own WU will have to testify that under oath in a court, where the charge is treason...

No question at all. That's the cause.

Less is hitting the Northern Hemisphere when SAP is higher.

So if there is a 30 degree K change summer vs winter, then the air pressure should change accordingly, 10%... not 1%.

Why?

The standard surface air pressure constant is 1013.25 millibars (mb), which is considered the average atmospheric pressure at sea level on Earth; this translates to roughly 14.7 pounds per square inch (psi)

Average. DURR

and that is why you can't find any real variation of SAP except during weather events like canes.

Have you always been this fucking stupid?

Because 1% is actually a "big variance" in SAP.... because SAP is planetary, not local or seasonal.

What is today's "planetary SAP"? How do you know?

The temperature of Earth as a whole is obviously something currently filled with FUDGE

So is your head.

is likely to be accepted as true.

When the Earth is closer to the sun, Chicago is colder.
How is that possible?

Hopefully someday you bla bla bla.

Hopefully someday they can find a cure for your mental illness.

 

[EMH]

Average. DURR

Then why does Google use the word CONSTANT to describe SAP?

What is today's "planetary SAP"? How do you know?

What is the definition of the word CONSTANT?

When the Earth is closer to the sun, Chicago is colder.
How is that possible?

We call that northern hemisphere winter, and winter is a season, and SAP isn't about season or weather, it is about planetary.




Funny, you cannot find anything to refute the word CONSTANT.....


LOL!!!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Then why does Google use the word CONSTANT to describe SAP?






What is the definition of the word CONSTANT?






We call that northern hemisphere winter, and winter is a season, and SAP isn't about season or weather, it is about planetary.




Funny, you cannot find anything to refute the word CONSTANT.....


LOL!!!

We call that northern hemisphere winter, and winter is a season, and SAP isn't about season or weather, it is about planetary.

You said it's about energy from the Sun. The northern hemisphere gets less energy in the winter. Less energy=colder=higher SAP.

Your 60-year SAP chart shows dropping SAP. SAP drops because it's warmer.

You finally provide evidence and it refutes your claims.

Hilarious!

Funny, you cannot find anything to refute the word CONSTANT.....

Wait, I found this.

there is a whopping 1% change in SAP!!!

 

[ReinyDays]

Tropical Storms are 1% below average SAP ... Joyce on Sept 28th rated 1003 mb, 10 mb below the average 1013 mb ...

That's maybe 50 miles in the horizontal ... only 100 yds in the vertical ... we're not supposed to fly airplanes that low ...

 

[EMH]

You said it's about energy from the Sun

... which is planetary...

SAP drops because it's warmer.

according to you, just on Earth and not on Pluto or Mars, and just at sea level, as the air pressure at given altitude is correlated with temperature....

or you had WU fudge some data.... because you and WU are part of Co2 FRAUD...

In reality, science doesn't work that way... air pressure and temp are correlated

in sealed container
in tire
on Mars
on Pluto
during Jurassic
at any altitude on Earth (other than sea level - LOL!!!)...


and Co2 FRAUD wants you to believe that just precisely at sea level air pressure and temperature suddenly become inversely correlated...

because the credibility of the entire Co2 FRAUD now rests on morons believing that laughable bullshit.


And that's where this topic now stands. You either believe air pressure and temperature are correlated everywhere except precisely at sea level just on planet Earth (and your "evidence" is fudge from Co2 FRAUD participant WU), or you demonstrate an IQ over 100 and conclude


SAP PROVES EARTH IS NEITHER WARMING NOR EXPERIENCING AN ONGOING NET ICE MELT

 

[EMH]

Tropical Storms are 1% below average SAP ... Joyce on Sept 28th rated 1003 mb, 10 mb below the average 1013 mb ...

That's maybe 50 miles in the horizontal ... only 100 yds in the vertical ... we're not supposed to fly airplanes that low ...

What is it in a Cat 5??

I've seen 900s....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

... which is planetary...





according to you, just on Earth and not on Pluto or Mars, and just at sea level, as the air pressure at given altitude is correlated with temperature....

or you had WU fudge some data.... because you and WU are part of Co2 FRAUD...

In reality, science doesn't work that way... air pressure and temp are correlated

in sealed container
in tire
on Mars
on Pluto
during Jurassic
at any altitude on Earth (other than sea level - LOL!!!)...


and Co2 FRAUD wants you to believe that just precisely at sea level air pressure and temperature suddenly become inversely correlated...

because the credibility of the entire Co2 FRAUD now rests on morons believing that laughable bullshit.


And that's where this topic now stands. You either believe air pressure and temperature are correlated everywhere except precisely at sea level just on planet Earth (and your "evidence" is fudge from Co2 FRAUD participant WU), or you demonstrate an IQ over 100 and conclude


SAP PROVES EARTH IS NEITHER WARMING NOR EXPERIENCING AN ONGOING NET ICE MELT

... which is planetary...

Which is a weird claim, because the hemispheres receive different amounts of energy, have different temperatures and different SAPs.

And those disprove your stupid claims.

 

[ReinyDays]

What is it in a Cat 5??

I've seen 900s....

Typhoon Tip bottomed out at 870 mb ... but that's the all-time record low ... Maria (2017) was as low as 908 mb ... keep in mind, the category of a hurricane is based only on peak wind speed ...

925 mb is 2500 feet, 1/2 mile, about as low as you'd want to fly a small Cessna ... not many towers that tall ...

 

[EMH]

Which is a weird claim, because the hemispheres receive different amounts of energy, have different temperatures and different SAPs.

Nice try...

The only evidence of the "different SAPs" is your Mossad sponsored WU fudge job.




Planet closer to Sun = warmer planet

day to day hot air rises BS walks, Mars talks....

 

[EMH]

Typhoon Tip bottomed out at 870 mb ... but that's the all-time record low ... Maria (2017) was as low as 908 mb ... keep in mind, the category of a hurricane is based only on peak wind speed ...

925 mb is 2500 feet, 1/2 mile, about as low as you'd want to fly a small Cessna ... not many towers that tall ...

Yeah, so weather can move local SAP up to 10% aka Cat 5 cane.

 

[ReinyDays]

Yeah, so weather can move local SAP up to 10% aka Cat 5 cane.

82% ... weather happens up to 180 mb ...

Tropical cyclones is a bad example ... however low pressure is at the surface, it is that high at altitude ... average pressure in a hurricane is close to average 1013 506.5 mb ... this is taking into consideration all three spacial dimensions we use in Classical Physics ...

Better is our cold core systems that sweep down from the polar jet ... I guess the politically correct word now is "extra-tropical cyclone" ... these are the ones with the classic vortex structure of low pressure top to bottom ... your toilet is an example of a cold core cyclone ... and any surface analysis in the temperate zone will show equal but opposite high pressure systems ... all averages out to 1013 mb ...

Atmospheric pressure is gravity ... Navier/Stokes in a nutshell ... you should model this with buoyancy for once, see what you find ...

 

[EMH]

Atmospheric pressure is gravity

Mass of gas column pulled down by gravity x some planetary coefficient x temp

and Mars proves it...

 

[ReinyDays]

Mass of gas column pulled down by gravity x some planetary coefficient x temp

and Mars proves it...

Actually, that coefficient is universal ... the universal gravitation constant ...

Force is equal to mass times acceleration ... temperature doesn't enter into these calculations ... Physics 101 ... don't you watch football ... or are you pussy European? ...

 

[EMH]

Actually, that coefficient is universal ... the universal gravitation constant

A bit more complicated with specific gasses and "sublimation points" etc.

Force is equal to mass times acceleration

Yes, and the mass is the molecule, and the (non gravity part of the) acceleration is known as HEAT.... so yes SAP is correlated with temperature and that skateboard on Mars proves it.



What happens when you warm gas? Answer, the gas molecules ACCELERATE


HELLO!!!

Just what are the standards to become a taxpayer funded Co2 FRAUD sponsored "climate scientist?"

 

[ReinyDays]

A bit more complicated with specific gasses and "sublimation points" etc.






Yes, and the mass is the molecule, and the (non gravity part of the) acceleration is known as HEAT.... so yes SAP is correlated with temperature and that skateboard on Mars proves it.



What happens when you warm gas? Answer, the gas molecules ACCELERATE


HELLO!!!

Just what are the standards to become a taxpayer funded Co2 FRAUD sponsored "climate scientist?"

Do you not know what acceleration is? ... it's the second derivative of our gravity equation ... Physics 101 ...

We use Charles' Law in open systems ... increasing temperature increase volume ... when you heat up a pan of water on the stove, does volume increase or does surface pressure increase? ...