Pluto and Surface Air Pressure

[ReinyDays]

Very accurate.

In fact, according to "science experts," SAP on Earth is CONSTANT...

LOL!!!

From Google...


The standard surface air pressure on Earth at sea level is 1013.25 millibars (mb),



Why the term "STANDARD?"

Gravity is constant over climatological time intervals ... although there may be slight changes over geological time intervals ... the Earth's surface goes up and down as well ...

But Big G is constant ... stupid ... and that's why pressure is constant ... the sciency term is "surface of equal gravitational potential" ... has nothing to do with temperature ...

 

[EMH]

and you don't know what FORCE is ... has nothing to do with temperature

Really, so when air in a rigid container is heated, and the pressure inside the container increases, according to you there is NO FORCE that increased the pressure???


LOL!!!

"climate scientists" = very bad at actual science, only good at fudging data, lying, and bilking the taxpayer

we don't have an extensive barometer network on Mars

We have that skateboard, and it suffices to document the CORRELATION between TEMP and SAP...

So explain that chart, why is Mars SAP (inversely) correlated with distance from Sun???


Because as Mars WARMS as it gets closer to SUN, SAP rises.... because SAP is correlated with temperature, Mars proves it, and your definition is PROVEN WRONG BY IT.

 

[EMH]

But Big G is constant ... stupid ... and that's why pressure is constant

Based on scientific estimations, the surface air pressure during the Jurassic period was likely significantly higher than today, with some theories suggesting it could have been anywhere from 1.5 to 5 times the current atmospheric pressure,



LOL!!!

Did a change in Earth's gravity do that??

LOL!!!

 

[ReinyDays]

Really, so when air in a rigid container is heated, and the pressure inside the container increases, according to you there is NO FORCE that increased the pressure???


LOL!!!

"climate scientists" = very bad at actual science, only good at fudging data, lying, and bilking the taxpayer







We have that skateboard, and it suffices to document the CORRELATION between TEMP and SAP...

So explain that chart, why is Mars SAP (inversely) correlated with distance from Sun???


Because as Mars WARMS as it gets closer to SUN, SAP rises.... because SAP is correlated with temperature, Mars proves it, and your definition is PROVEN WRONG BY IT.

Where's the atmospheric ceiling? ... what is it made of? ... why are we not seeing a large diurnal variation? ...

No citation means you're a liar ...

 

[EMH]

Where's the atmospheric ceiling?

The ceiling is determined by the force of gravity, how much gas is in the atmosphere, and temperature.

When an atmosphere is heated, it expands out, because of a FORCE called HEAT....

That force is present in the entire atmosphere and applies to all directions including "down." To claim that FORCE called HEAT has NO EFFECT on AIR PRESSURE is absolutely laughable and completely contradicted by all data on air pressure.

why are we not seeing a large diurnal variation?

Again Co2 FRAUD resorts to day to day weather patterns instead of attempting to answer the question they know they cannot answer, which is....

if EARTH was WARMING and experiencing an ONGOING NET ICE MELT, SURFACE AIR PRESSURE would be going up, but it isn't, the question is WHY?

The center of a hurricane experiences a 10% drop in air pressure. That is weather, not climate.

No citation means you're a liar

The data from the skateboard on Mars is too far out there in textbooks and science buildings and libraries for Co2 FRAUd to FUDGE IT...


LOL!!!!!



So, why don't you explain why JURASSIC had vastly higher SAP than now? Did Earth's gravity change?


LOL!!!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What is it a mile high in China? According to your and WU's fudge, that's where "surface" air pressure is highest...

Assuming there is not a hurricane, the SAP in Chicago and over Indian Ocean are very close, likely within 1% of each other.






Yeah, over 60 years the "weather issues" "wash out" and we notice that the 60 year trend is slightly DOWN, and that is a big big problem for Co2 FRAUD....





That is one piece of Mossad sponsored WU fudged fraud, and it won't stand up in court.... LOL!!!






It is absolutely hilarious that you cannot even attempt to explain why Earth would be different than Mars or Pluto, because it isn't, and you and the Mossad and WU and the rest of Co2 FRAUD know it, which is why you will never attempt to answer...






What about Jurassic, warmer, wetter, and SAP 3-5 times today's SAP...

Assuming there is not a hurricane, the SAP in Chicago and over Indian Ocean are very close, likely within 1% of each other.

Wow!
Your precision is amazing. DURR.

Yeah, over 60 years the "weather issues" "wash out"

Wash out? Incredible!

That is one piece of Mossad sponsored WU fudged fraud, and it won't stand up in court.... LOL!!!

You're free to post actual evidence that shows the opposite.
Find your balls first.

It is absolutely hilarious that you cannot even attempt to explain why Earth would be different than Mars or Pluto,

I already explained why. Pluto has frozen N2 and Mars has frozen CO2.
Earth has neither.

Now explain again why the Earth hemisphere that receives more energy today
has a higher temperature and a lower SAP than the other hemisphere which receives less energy is cooler and has a higher SAP.

And why the Earth hemisphere that will receive more energy in 180 days will have a higher temperature and a lower SAP than the other hemisphere which receives less energy is cooler and has a higher SAP and how does that help your silly claim?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Based on scientific estimations, the surface air pressure during the Jurassic period was likely significantly higher than today, with some theories suggesting it could have been anywhere from 1.5 to 5 times the current atmospheric pressure,

Theories? Excellent!

How do the theories explain the current, much lower pressure?

Post them both, unless the Jews hid them when they lobotomized you?

 

[EMH]

I already explained why. Pluto has frozen N2 and Mars has frozen CO2.
Earth has neither.

LOL!!!

For the purposes of a SAP equation, it doesn't matter what the polar caps are made of, it just matters whether or not they are growing, undergoing no change, or melting/subliming.

You previously agreed that warming and melting/subliming are "in the same direction" aka cooling doesn't increase melting. Bravo.

On each planet, when the ice substance melts/sublimes, it releases more gas molecules into the atmosphere, which does increase SAP.

On each planet, it is WARMING that causes the ice substance to melt/sublime.

So if you live on a planet that has SAP going slightly down over the past 60 years, that planet

IS NEITHER WARMING NOR ONGOING A NET ICE MELT

Now explain again why the Earth hemisphere that receives more energy today
has a higher temperature and a lower SAP than the other hemisphere which receives less energy is cooler and has a higher SAP.

A better start is what would the SAP change be winter/summer if a straight interpretation of localized temp was used. Winter/summer is a difference of, a guess, on average, 60F. So if that was the correlation, summer/winter should have a 10%+ change in SAP IF YOUR ASSUMPTION WAS CORRECT.... but we don't see that, do we.... We see a 1% change....

because the atmosphere is continuous, and the changes in SAP at sea level from one location to the other are minimal, and way beneath a straight correlation between winter/summer temperatures.


And winter/summer issue would be a non factor if the planet had a truly circular orbit. Earth does not. Earth is actually 3 million miles closer to Sun during northern hemisphere winter. And, magically, that's when the SAP rise occurs.... just as it does on Mars, and Pluto, because the correlation is not SAP = LOCAL WEATHER.... no. SAP is planetary. The correlation is


CLOSER TO SUN = HIGHER SAP


because when the planet is closer to the Sun, it WARMS, and SAP is correlated with temp....

 

[EMH]

How do the theories explain the current, much lower pressure?

Earth has 8 million cubic miles of ice now.


During Jurassic, it had less than 1 million.


So, if you add 7 million cubic miles of ice to the planet, you "suck out" a lot of molecules from the atmosphere and hence you lower SAP significantly. The ice also cools both the atmosphere and the oceans.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

LOL!!!

For the purposes of a SAP equation, it doesn't matter what the polar caps are made of, it just matters whether or not they are growing, undergoing no change, or melting/subliming.

You previously agreed that warming and melting/subliming are "in the same direction" aka cooling doesn't increase melting. Bravo.

On each planet, when the ice substance melts/sublimes, it releases more gas molecules into the atmosphere, which does increase SAP.

On each planet, it is WARMING that causes the ice substance to melt/sublime.

So if you live on a planet that has SAP going slightly down over the past 60 years, that planet

IS NEITHER WARMING NOR ONGOING A NET ICE MELT







A better start is what would the SAP change be winter/summer if a straight interpretation of localized temp was used. Winter/summer is a difference of, a guess, on average, 60F. So if that was the correlation, summer/winter should have a 10%+ change in SAP IF YOUR ASSUMPTION WAS CORRECT.... but we don't see that, do we.... We see a 1% change....

because the atmosphere is continuous, and the changes in SAP at sea level from one location to the other are minimal, and way beneath a straight correlation between winter/summer temperatures.


And winter/summer issue would be a non factor if the planet had a truly circular orbit. Earth does not. Earth is actually 3 million miles closer to Sun during northern hemisphere winter. And, magically, that's when the SAP rise occurs.... just as it does on Mars, and Pluto, because the correlation is not SAP = LOCAL WEATHER.... no. SAP is planetary. The correlation is


CLOSER TO SUN = HIGHER SAP


because when the planet is closer to the Sun, it WARMS, and SAP is correlated with temp....

For the purposes of a SAP equation, it doesn't matter what the polar caps are made of

Not on Earth is doesn't.

On each planet, when the ice substance melts/sublimes, it releases more gas molecules into the atmosphere, which does increase SAP.

Pick your favorite weather station on Mars and let's see the daily temperature readings and SAP readings for an entire Martian year. I'd like to see the actual temperature data and SAP data behind your claim.

You previously agreed that.....

.....on Earth, warming lowers SAP and cooling raises SAP.
And other planets don't matter.

So if you live on a planet that has SAP going slightly down over the past 60 years, that planet

IS NEITHER WARMING NOR ONGOING A NET ICE MELT
And yet, you still can't provide any proof of that claim.

A better start is what would the SAP change be winter/summer if a straight interpretation of localized temp was used.

Can you translate that gibberish into English?

And winter/summer issue would be a non factor if the planet had a truly circular orbit. Earth does not.

You whined that cooler days with higher SAP and warmer days with lower SAP didn't count, because that's daily weather and now you're complaining that cooler seasons with higher SAP and warmer seasons with lower SAP don't count either.

because when the planet is closer to the Sun, it WARMS, and SAP is correlated with temp....

When the planet is closer to the sun the northern hemisphere cools and SAP rises.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Earth has 8 million cubic miles of ice now.


During Jurassic, it had less than 1 million.


So, if you add 7 million cubic miles of ice to the planet, you "suck out" a lot of molecules from the atmosphere and hence you lower SAP significantly. The ice also cools both the atmosphere and the oceans.

So, if you add 7 million cubic miles of ice to the planet, you "suck out" a lot of molecules from the atmosphere and hence you lower SAP significantly.

Now post some published discussions of that theory.

Or is this another theory that only you believe in?

The ice also cools both the atmosphere and the oceans.

Which raises SAP.

 

[EMH]

Not on Earth is doesn't

Why? When Earth ice melts, it releases gas trapped in it. When Co2 and N melt/sublime, same thing.

let's see the daily temperature readings and SAP readings for an entire Martian year. I'd like to see the actual temperature data and SAP data behind your claim.

So you dispute

closer to Sun = warmer

?????

LOL!!!

Is Pluto warmer or colder than Venus?

You whined that cooler days with higher SAP and warmer days with lower SAP didn't count, because that's daily weather and now you're complaining that cooler seasons with higher SAP and warmer seasons with lower SAP don't count either.

Nice try, and again the Co2 FRAUD focuses on "daily" and "weather" and not long term trend, which is what is busting the Co2 FRAUD in this topic, the FACT that Earth SAP has been going down slightly for 60 years while Co2 FRAUD claims warming and ongoing net ice melt. But then, that's all they can do, fudge data, lie, and claim Earth is "different" than Mars and Pluto. Earth SAP goes up when Earth is closer to Sun, as does Mars SAP and Pluto SAP.

When the planet is closer to the sun the northern hemisphere cools and SAP rises.

Desperately clinging to one piece of WU fudged fraud that is refuted by every other piece of ACTUAL DATA.

Desperately trying to claim air pressure, which is correlated with temp in every fashion, is somehow inversely correlated.... just on Earth, not Mars and Pluto.... at precisely sea level.




Toddster's tactics here are what have bilked America out of $20 trillion and counting....


The indisputable truth of Earth SAP is that it proves


Earth is NOT WARMING and NOT EXPERIENCING AN ONGOING NET ICE MELT

Co2 FRAUD REFUTED

 

[EMH]

Now post some published discussions of that theory.

Or is this another theory that only you believe in?

How do we get Co2 data from past years??

From ice cores. From GAS TRAPPED IN ICE.... duh...

What is the compression factor of gas trapped in ice one mile down in ice age glacier???

Answer = absolute, the gas doesn't exist anymore, in part because 1 mile down the temperature is -150F or colder and many gasses freeze

How do you explain Jurassic's higher SAP while it was WARMER?? According to you SAP should be down in Jurassic.... LOL!!!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why? When Earth ice melts, it releases gas trapped in it. When Co2 and N melt/sublime, same thing.






So you dispute

closer to Sun = warmer

?????

LOL!!!

Is Pluto warmer or colder than Venus?






Nice try, and again the Co2 FRAUD focuses on "daily" and "weather" and not long term trend, which is what is busting the Co2 FRAUD in this topic, the FACT that Earth SAP has been going down slightly for 60 years while Co2 FRAUD claims warming and ongoing net ice melt. But then, that's all they can do, fudge data, lie, and claim Earth is "different" than Mars and Pluto. Earth SAP goes up when Earth is closer to Sun, as does Mars SAP and Pluto SAP.






Desperately clinging to one piece of WU fudged fraud that is refuted by every other piece of ACTUAL DATA.

Desperately trying to claim air pressure, which is correlated with temp in every fashion, is somehow inversely correlated.... just on Earth, not Mars and Pluto.... at precisely sea level.




Toddster's tactics here are what have bilked America out of $20 trillion and counting....


The indisputable truth of Earth SAP is that it proves


Earth is NOT WARMING and NOT EXPERIENCING AN ONGOING NET ICE MELT

Co2 FRAUD REFUTED

Why?

Because Earth's polar caps aren't made of frozen N2 or frozen CO2. Pussy.

Earth SAP goes up when Earth is closer to Sun

Prove it. Pussy.

Desperately clinging to one piece of WU fudged fraud

Prove it is fudged. Pussy.

that is refuted by every other piece of ACTUAL DATA.

Post the ACTUAL DATA that refutes it. Pussy.

Toddster's tactics here are what have bilked America out of $20 trillion and counting....

My tactics, showing that you are an idiot and that your stupid claims are wrong, have never bilked anyone out of a single dollar.

Now find those lost balls of yours and get to work, moron.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How do we get Co2 data from past years??

From ice cores. From GAS TRAPPED IN ICE.... duh...

What is the compression factor of gas trapped in ice one mile down in ice age glacier???

Answer = absolute, the gas doesn't exist anymore, in part because 1 mile down the temperature is -150F or colder and many gasses freeze

How do you explain Jurassic's higher SAP while it was WARMER?? According to you SAP should be down in Jurassic.... LOL!!!

How do we get Co2 data from past years??

How do we get SAP data from the Jurassic??

What is the compression factor of gas trapped in ice one mile down in ice age glacier???

Show me what it is.

Answer = absolute, the gas doesn't exist anymore, in part because 1 mile down the temperature is -150F or colder and many gasses freeze

Probably closer to 0F, but I'm willing to look at your evidence of colder.

or colder and many gasses freeze
List the gases that freeze at -150F

How do you explain Jurassic's higher SAP while it was WARMER??

How do you? Like I said earlier, "Now post some published discussions of that theory"

Other people discussing their theory of why, not just the voices in your head.

 

[EMH]

My tactics, showing that you are an idiot and that your stupid claims are wrong, have never bilked anyone out of a single dollar.

Actually, the only one here outed as a lying retard is you. You posted the "global SAP" chart.... that had Earth's highest SAP.... over land MORE THAN A MILE HIGH IN ASIA....

You posted FUDGED FRAUD
You LIED
You are PART OF Co2 FRAUD despite claiming to be a "skeptic."



And now your entire argument is ....

Air Pressure is correlated with temperature

in sealed container
in tire
on Mars
on Pluto
at every level of altitude on Earth.... except sea level where it is INVERSELY correlated


LOL!!!


The rest of what you wrote is typical of a CHOSEN MORON schooled to the point of spazz and foul mouth BS....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Actually, the only one here outed as a lying retard is you. You posted the "global SAP" chart.... that had Earth's highest SAP.... over land MORE THAN A MILE HIGH IN ASIA....

You posted FUDGED FRAUD
You LIED
You are PART OF Co2 FRAUD despite claiming to be a "skeptic."



And now your entire argument is ....

Air Pressure is correlated with temperature

in sealed container
in tire
on Mars
on Pluto
at every level of altitude on Earth.... except sea level where it is INVERSELY correlated


LOL!!!


The rest of what you wrote is typical of a CHOSEN MORON schooled to the point of spazz and foul mouth BS....

And now your entire argument is ....

Air Pressure is correlated with temperature

That's not my argument, that's reality.
And that you're a moron. An insane moron.

 

[EMH]

And now your entire argument is ....

Air Pressure is correlated with temperature

That's not my argument, that's reality.
And that you're a moron. An insane moron.

Where else is air pressure not correlated with temperature.... other than just on planet Earth at precisely sea level....


LOL!!!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Where else is air pressure not correlated with temperature.... other than just on planet Earth at precisely sea level....


LOL!!!

Show me today, on Earth, where warmer conditions result in higher SAP.
Show me today, on Earth, where cooler conditions result in lower SAP.

 

[ReinyDays]

And now your entire argument is ....

Air Pressure is correlated with temperature

That's not my argument, that's reality.
And that you're a moron. An insane moron.

a pussy insane moron ... with Jews chasing him ...