Pluto and Surface Air Pressure

[ReinyDays]

Awwww ... sweet ...

 

[EMH]

If more energy from the sun really raises SAP on Earth, SAP in the Northern Hemisphere
should increase in summer when the Northern Hemisphere receives more energy.

No, that's not what the Mars data suggests. What Mars suggests is that "closer to Sun" = higher SAP and that is precisely what the northern hemisphere winter proves.


The only thing preventing a clean sweep of all issues here is the laughable fudge you have presented from WU.

There is a difference between weather and seasons, which are "noise," and whether or not the planet is warming, which will push SAP up on the entire planet as documented by Mars. You keep dodging explanations of that phenomenon and only push "hot air rises" day to day bullshit, because you are wrong and you know it and everything here documents that.... except for the fudge from WU.


If Earth as a planet was warming, SAP would be rising. It ain't because it isn't. That's the $20 trillion fraud you are paid to defend by any means necessary.

 

[ding]

We don't use that in Atmospheric Science ... we use pressure ... do you understand what "density is a function of temperature and pressure" means ... f (T,p) = mass / volume x a constant ... that's the ideal gas law sir ...

Is the "pounds per gallon" of water the same at 18,000 feet? ... if I remember correctly, that's around 8 lbs at sea level ...

You don't use the density of the air to determine atmospheric pressure in Atmospheric Science?

Yes, I do understand that density is a function of temperature and pressure. I think I mentioned that when I was explaining how gas composition is the primary driver in atmospheric pressure and temperature was an adjustment that actually impacted composition (i.e. water vapor) more than expansion or contraction.

As for the ideal gas law you can solve for pressure using the ideal gas law but it assumes a fixed volume which the atmosphere is not.

The density of fresh water is 62.37 lbf/cf or 8.34 ppg at standard conditions.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No, that's not what the Mars data suggests. What Mars suggests is that "closer to Sun" = higher SAP and that is precisely what the northern hemisphere winter proves.


The only thing preventing a clean sweep of all issues here is the laughable fudge you have presented from WU.

There is a difference between weather and seasons, which are "noise," and whether or not the planet is warming, which will push SAP up on the entire planet as documented by Mars. You keep dodging explanations of that phenomenon and only push "hot air rises" day to day bullshit, because you are wrong and you know it and everything here documents that.... except for the fudge from WU.


If Earth as a planet was warming, SAP would be rising. It ain't because it isn't. That's the $20 trillion fraud you are paid to defend by any means necessary.

No, that's not what the Mars data suggests. What Mars suggests is that "closer to Sun" = higher SAP and that is precisely what the northern hemisphere winter proves.

The Northern Hemisphere gets less energy in winter than in summer.
SAP in the Northern Hemisphere is higher in winter when it gets less energy.

The Southern Hemisphere gets more energy in summer than in winter.
SAP in the Southern Hemisphere is lower in summer when it gets more energy.

The Earth data suggests you're a stupid twat.

The only thing preventing a clean sweep of all issues here is the laughable fudge you have presented from WU.

You're free to post the real data that refutes WU. But you're a pussy.

There is a difference between weather and seasons, which are "noise,"

How much difference between summer and winter energy in your "noise"?

 

[EMH]

The Northern Hemisphere gets less energy in winter than in summer.
SAP in the Northern Hemisphere is higher in winter when it gets less energy.

The Southern Hemisphere gets more energy in summer than in winter.
SAP in the Southern Hemisphere is lower in summer when it gets more energy.

Nice try...

Earth is closer to Sun during northern hemisphere winter, and hence EARTH is warmer during northern hemisphere winter, and SAP is a planetary issue, and MARS PROVES IT.

You're free to post the real data that refutes WU

LOL!!!!

You were already busted in this topic posting a FUDGED "global SAP map" which had its highest SAP over land 1+ mile high....

What was the origin of that fudge? WU???


LOL!!!!


Post fudge once, you have a history..... as a Co2 FRAUD LIAR.

 

[ReinyDays]

You don't use the density of the air to determine atmospheric pressure in Atmospheric Science?

Yes, I do understand that density is a function of temperature and pressure. I think I mentioned that when I was explaining how gas composition is the primary driver in atmospheric pressure and temperature was an adjustment that actually impacted composition (i.e. water vapor) more than expansion or contraction.

As for the ideal gas law you can solve for pressure using the ideal gas law but it assumes a fixed volume which the atmosphere is not.

The density of fresh water is 62.37 lbf/cf or 8.34 ppg at standard conditions.

No ... we use barometers ... and the Kinetic theory of gases - Wikipedia ... this article also make clear what is idealized in the Ideal Gas Law ... edify yourself ...

I going to question your understanding of density ... this is defined as mass over volume ... but the number your give "62.37 lbf/cf" is in terms of pounds-force ... what you are giving is weight, not density ... for density, we want 1.94 slugs per cubic foot ... or one metric tonne per cubic meter ...

Maybe you don't know the difference ... you're an engineer, not a scientist ... I get that ... go ahead and use weight if you like, just remember to divide by gravitational acceleration (Big G = 6.67x10^-11 N m^2 kg^-2) to get density ...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nice try...

Earth is closer to Sun during northern hemisphere winter, and hence EARTH is warmer during northern hemisphere winter, and SAP is a planetary issue, and MARS PROVES IT.







LOL!!!!

You were already busted in this topic posting a FUDGED "global SAP map" which had its highest SAP over land 1+ mile high....

What was the origin of that fudge? WU???


LOL!!!!


Post fudge once, you have a history..... as a Co2 FRAUD LIAR.

Earth is closer to Sun during northern hemisphere winter, and hence EARTH is warmer during northern hemisphere winter, and SAP is a planetary issue, and MARS PROVES IT.

Right. But the Northern Hemisphere is colder and its SAP is higher.
And when the Southern Hemisphere is colder, its SAP is higher.
Now that sounds like some solid correlation.

If you have anything that shows warmer temperatures raise actual SAP, on Earth,
you could post it. But you can't.

Why would more energy on the opposite side of the planet, theoretically warming the planet, override the lower amount of energy actually hitting the Northern Hemisphere, which is receiving less energy, as shown by the lower temperatures.

For your moronic claim to be true, the added energy would have to make the Northern Hemisphere warmer in winter than in summer. But it isn't.

From ChatGPT

More solar power per hour and more hours of sunlight in the summer give us higher temperatures and lower SAP.

Now you post some evidence. Pussy.

 

[ding]

No ... we use barometers ... and the Kinetic theory of gases - Wikipedia ... this article also make clear what is idealized in the Ideal Gas Law ... edify yourself ...

I going to question your understanding of density ... this is defined as mass over volume ... but the number your give "62.37 lbf/cf" is in terms of pounds-force ... what you are giving is weight, not density ... for density, we want 1.94 slugs per cubic foot ... or one metric tonne per cubic meter ...

Maybe you don't know the difference ... you're an engineer, not a scientist ... I get that ... go ahead and use weight if you like, just remember to divide by gravitational acceleration (Big G = 6.67x10^-11 N m^2 kg^-2) to get density ...

You are nitpicking. It's not an uncommon convention to use lbf instead of lbm on earth. Especially when representing a force. I don't do metric. Metric is for pussies.

And we aren't discussing measuring atmospheric pressure, we are discussing the calculation of it. But if yoiu are going to measure a pressure and want to include atmospheric pressure in the reading make sure you use a gauge in psig instead of psia.

 

[ReinyDays]

You are nitpicking. It's not an uncommon convention to use lbf instead of lbm on earth. Especially when representing a force. I don't do metric. Metric is for pussies.

And we aren't discussing measuring atmospheric pressure, we are discussing the calculation of it. But if yoiu are going to measure a pressure and want to include atmospheric pressure in the reading make sure you use a gauge in psig instead of psia.

I've never used pounds as mass ... it's weight ... pounds-force per square inch ... that's not metric ... and it's not density ...

Oh ... I'm sorry ... "Surface Air Pressure" has nothing to do with atmospheric pressure ... just EMH's childish anxiety ... but I'll bite, what is the "calculated air pressure" at Denver Airport right now ... [giggle] ... the gauge is labeled in "inches of Mercury" ... ha ha ha ha ha ha ..

Pilots label their barometers in feet ...

 

[ding]

I've never used pounds as mass ... it's weight ... pounds-force per square inch ... that's not metric ... and it's not density ...

Oh ... I'm sorry ... "Surface Air Pressure" has nothing to do with atmospheric pressure ... just EMH's childish anxiety ... but I'll bite, what is the "calculated air pressure" at Denver Airport right now ... [giggle] ... the gauge is labeled in "inches of Mercury" ... ha ha ha ha ha ha ..

Pilots label their barometers in feet ...

Settle down, EMH.

 

[EMH]

Right. But the Northern Hemisphere is colder and its SAP is higher.

Your entire strategy here is to cut up the planet into weather events, seasons, and hemispheres etc. SAP doesn't work that way. SAP is correlated with the temperature of the entire planet, not one part of it.

Even though it is colder in the northern hemisphere during winter, the overall temperature of Earth rises when it is closer to Sun. It is that overall temperature that matters for SAP, because SAP is planetary, the "container" is continuous.

And when the Southern Hemisphere is colder, its SAP is higher.

That issue will be "solved" when Chris Wray gets replaced.... Your WU fudge job isn't going to stand scrutiny.

If you have anything that shows warmer temperatures raise actual SAP, on Earth,
you could post it.

Again you insist it is just about weather and seasons. That is wrong. What SAP in northern hemisphere documents is that SAP rises when Earth is closer to Sun, which is what Mars does, and Pluto, because SAP is correlated with overall planet temp, and Mars proves it.

You still, page after page, refuse to explain why anyone should believe Earth is different from Mars on that issue, SAP vs distance from Sun.

Why would more energy on the opposite side of the planet, theoretically warming the planet, override the lower amount of energy actually hitting the Northern Hemisphere, which is receiving less energy, as shown by the lower temperatures.

Because the atmosphere of a planet is continuous. There are not "separate parts" to it. SAP only cares about the planet's overall temperature.



YOUR Co2 FRAUD side claims Earth is warming and having an ongoing net ice melt. You have already confessed that an ongoing net ice melt would/should push SAP higher. Your attempt to debate warming has been to use fudged data twice and never explain why SAP is correlated with temp

in a rigid container
in a tire
on Mars
on Pluto
at every altitude above sea level to top of atmosphere


yet somehow, JUST ON EARTH, SAP becomes inversely correlated with temp precisely at sea level only....


LOL!!!


and that is typical of just how meritless the "climate science" "experts" truly are....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Your entire strategy here is to cut up the planet into weather events, seasons, and hemispheres etc. SAP doesn't work that way. SAP is correlated with the temperature of the entire planet, not one part of it.

Even though it is colder in the northern hemisphere during winter, the overall temperature of Earth rises when it is closer to Sun. It is that overall temperature that matters for SAP, because SAP is planetary, the "container" is continuous.






That issue will be "solved" when Chris Wray gets replaced.... Your WU fudge job isn't going to stand scrutiny.







Again you insist it is just about weather and seasons. That is wrong. What SAP in northern hemisphere documents is that SAP rises when Earth is closer to Sun, which is what Mars does, and Pluto, because SAP is correlated with overall planet temp, and Mars proves it.

You still, page after page, refuse to explain why anyone should believe Earth is different from Mars on that issue, SAP vs distance from Sun.







Because the atmosphere of a planet is continuous. There are not "separate parts" to it. SAP only cares about the planet's overall temperature.



YOUR Co2 FRAUD side claims Earth is warming and having an ongoing net ice melt. You have already confessed that an ongoing net ice melt would/should push SAP higher. Your attempt to debate warming has been to use fudged data twice and never explain why SAP is correlated with temp

in a rigid container
in a tire
on Mars
on Pluto
at every altitude above sea level to top of atmosphere


yet somehow, JUST ON EARTH, SAP becomes inversely correlated with temp precisely at sea level only....


LOL!!!


and that is typical of just how meritless the "climate science" "experts" truly are....

Your entire strategy here is to cut up the planet into weather events, seasons, and hemispheres

Which makes perfect sense because the weather, incoming energy, temperature and SAP are not uniform across the entire planet.

Pick a patch of Earth. Show me how much energy it receives every day, the temperature and the SAP. You'll notice, well, a normal, intelligent, sane person (the opposite of you) would notice that the patch that receives more energy tends to be warmer and have a lower SAP.

The fact that a patch on the opposite side of the Earth will, at the same time, tend to receive less energy, be cooler and have a higher SAP does not help your false claims.

Even though it is colder in the northern hemisphere during winter,

Is it colder when it receives less energy? Is that when it has higher SAP?

Weird.

Is it warmer when it receives more energy? Is that when it has lower SAP?

That's the opposite of your claims.

Weird.

What SAP in northern hemisphere documents is that SAP rises when Earth is closer to Sun,

When the Earth is further from the Sun, what happens to SAP in the Southern Hemisphere?

 

[EMH]

Which makes perfect sense because the weather, incoming energy, temperature and SAP are not uniform across the entire planet.

The first three are correct. SAP being "not uniform" needs explaining. For example, on your FUDGE JOB of an SAP "map," you were busted for posting FUDGED FRAUD because SAP is not uniform when land is 1+ mile high. AA's ice is 2.5 miles high. But even with those issues, SAP is remarkably uniform on Earth at sea level, the true definition of SURFACE air pressure. Yes, the center of a hurricane will temporarily change that, but that is weather and not really a fluctuation of planetary SAP. Over time, over years, the weather issues wash out.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparison-of-the-interannual-variation-in-sea-level-and-air-pressure-at-sea-level-and_fig2_261980648

Comparison of the interannual variation in sea level and air pressure at sea level, and the 5-year moving average for the period 1963–2005.​

There are year over year fluctuations in the above chart, which for some reason isn't coming out, but the link is posted. The 60 year trend is down. And that is a big big problem for Co2 FRAUD, which claims warming and ongoing net ice melt, both of which should be pushing SAP higher. As Mars warms its SAP rises. As Pluto warms its SAP rises. SAP was higher during warmer Jurassic on Earth. SAP is higher in northern hemisphere on Earth when Earth is warmer because it is closer to Sun. And ditto for Southern Hemisphere, despite your WU fudge job. SAP is planetary, especially over years when the weather fluctuations are washed out.

When the Earth is further from the Sun, what happens to SAP in the Southern Hemisphere?

LOL!!!

It is 183 days off of your WU fudge job.


SAP is correlated with distance from Sun aka temperature.

So when Earth is furtherest from Sun, SAP goes down on a planetary basis, including southern hemisphere.

 

[ReinyDays]

So when Earth is furtherest from Sun, SAP goes down on a planetary basis, including southern hemisphere.

Why would Earth's gravity change with respect to distance from the Sun? ... "Atmospheric pressure is caused by the gravitational attraction of the planet on the atmospheric gases above the surface and is a function of the mass of the planet, the radius of the surface, and the amount and composition of the gases and their vertical distribution in the atmosphere."

Weight ...

Atmospheric pressure - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The first three are correct. SAP being "not uniform" needs explaining. For example, on your FUDGE JOB of an SAP "map," you were busted for posting FUDGED FRAUD because SAP is not uniform when land is 1+ mile high. AA's ice is 2.5 miles high. But even with those issues, SAP is remarkably uniform on Earth at sea level, the true definition of SURFACE air pressure. Yes, the center of a hurricane will temporarily change that, but that is weather and not really a fluctuation of planetary SAP. Over time, over years, the weather issues wash out.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparison-of-the-interannual-variation-in-sea-level-and-air-pressure-at-sea-level-and_fig2_261980648

Comparison of the interannual variation in sea level and air pressure at sea level, and the 5-year moving average for the period 1963–2005.​

There are year over year fluctuations in the above chart, which for some reason isn't coming out, but the link is posted. The 60 year trend is down. And that is a big big problem for Co2 FRAUD, which claims warming and ongoing net ice melt, both of which should be pushing SAP higher. As Mars warms its SAP rises. As Pluto warms its SAP rises. SAP was higher during warmer Jurassic on Earth. SAP is higher in northern hemisphere on Earth when Earth is warmer because it is closer to Sun. And ditto for Southern Hemisphere, despite your WU fudge job. SAP is planetary, especially over years when the weather fluctuations are washed out.








LOL!!!

It is 183 days off of your WU fudge job.


SAP is correlated with distance from Sun aka temperature.

So when Earth is furtherest from Sun, SAP goes down on a planetary basis, including southern hemisphere.

SAP is remarkably uniform on Earth at sea level, the true definition of SURFACE air pressure.

Is it? Define "remarkably uniform".
What is SAP right now in Chicago?
What is it in the Indian Ocean?

Over time, over years, the weather issues wash out.

Wash out? Is that a scientific term?

The 60 year trend is down. And that is a big big problem for Co2 FRAUD,

When it's warmer, SAP is lower, so why is that a problem?

Have you shown that when the Northern Hemisphere gets more energy, its SAP is higher?
Have you shown that when the Southern Hemisphere gets more energy, its SAP is higher?

Because those are your claims.
Don't look to Pluto or Mars for your claims about Earth, show Earth data.

So when Earth is furtherest from Sun, SAP goes down on a planetary basis,

Post "planetary SAP".

But you can't, because you're a pussy.

 

[ReinyDays]

Define "remarkably uniform".

Comically exact ... mathematically speaking ...

 

[EMH]

Why would Earth's gravity change with respect to distance from the Sun? ... "Atmospheric pressure is caused by the gravitational attraction of the planet on the atmospheric gases above the surface and is a function of the mass of the planet, the radius of the surface, and the amount and composition of the gases and their vertical distribution in the atmosphere."

Weight ...

Atmospheric pressure - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No, Mars refutes that. Mars shows SAP is correlated with distance to Sun = temperature. That definition, "weight", is incomplete.

Every form of air pressure is correlated with temperature.....

except in the minds of the Co2 FRAUD supporters, who insist

just at precisely sea level and only on planet Earth the relationship becomes inversely correlated.

 

[EMH]

Is it? Define "remarkably uniform".
What is SAP right now in Chicago?
What is it in the Indian Ocean?

What is it a mile high in China? According to your and WU's fudge, that's where "surface" air pressure is highest...

Assuming there is not a hurricane, the SAP in Chicago and over Indian Ocean are very close, likely within 1% of each other.

Wash out? Is that a scientific term?

Yeah, over 60 years the "weather issues" "wash out" and we notice that the 60 year trend is slightly DOWN, and that is a big big problem for Co2 FRAUD....

When it's warmer, SAP is lower

That is one piece of Mossad sponsored WU fudged fraud, and it won't stand up in court.... LOL!!!

Don't look to Pluto or Mars for your claims about Earth, show Earth data.

It is absolutely hilarious that you cannot even attempt to explain why Earth would be different than Mars or Pluto, because it isn't, and you and the Mossad and WU and the rest of Co2 FRAUD know it, which is why you will never attempt to answer...

Post "planetary SAP".

What about Jurassic, warmer, wetter, and SAP 3-5 times today's SAP...

 

[EMH]

Comically exact ... mathematically speaking ...

Very accurate.

In fact, according to "science experts," SAP on Earth is CONSTANT...

LOL!!!

From Google...


The standard surface air pressure on Earth at sea level is 1013.25 millibars (mb),



Why the term "STANDARD?"

 

[ReinyDays]

No, Mars refutes that. Mars shows SAP is correlated with distance to Sun = temperature. That definition, "weight", is incomplete.

Every form of air pressure is correlated with temperature.....

except in the minds of the Co2 FRAUD supporters, who insist

just at precisely sea level and only on planet Earth the relationship becomes inversely correlated.

Your math is wrong ... pressure is FORCE per unit area ... and you don't know what FORCE is ... has nothing to do with temperature ...

Maybe you should read a physics textbook because you keep making a fool of yourself ... we don't have an extensive barometer network on Mars ... oh right ... you don't know what a barometer is ...

Thank God for pilots ...