CDZ Please explain to me, The term "undocumented" is this a PC term for "illegal immigrant"?

[Toddsterpatriot]

Documentation can be provided

Cheaper than building a freak'n wall

Documentation can be provided

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I agree. They should provide their own documentation. Traveling south of the border.

Easier to just issue temporary visas to allow them to work and pay taxes

Yes, after we deport the millions of current illegals, we should use temporary worker visas if we need farm workers, for example.

Come here for a few months, make your money, travel back home.

That's the way it was before we closed the border. Mexicans used to come for work and then return home offseason

Once we closed the border it was easier to stay

If we had closed the border, we wouldn't have more than 10 million illegal aliens.

 

[Pogo]

No....they are illegal aliens...someone seeking asylum is going through a legal process...an illegal alien is avoiding the legal process to become a resident alien or an actual citizen....

They entered this country illegallly, they are a criminal....if a person over stays their visa, they become a criminal.........

What is wrong with the left and this issue?

There is no such thing as an illegal person and this issue is getting way too much attention that it deserves. This issue is a smoke screen. It is a detraction from the real issues facing this country. This is a non-issue.

The majority of the people who have entered this country illegally, are not here to commit crimes.

Tangential question: What is the difference between "people of color" and "colored people"?

Easy. The latter term implies an action; that the person was originally colorless and then got, I dunno,
"painted" some color. So they've been "colored". Like the image outlines in a coloring book. The suffix -ed conveys an action that has happened in the past.

This in turn implies both a deviation from the "norm", and an easily-manipulated victim. "Colored", like "branded". Which is also dehumanizing and a statement on who has power. Obviously those who don't allow themselves to be "colored", must rightfully have the power.

"Of color" OTOH implies that the color, whatever it is, is intrinsic to the person, i.e. it was always there. No action was taken either by the target or by others -- it's part of who they are.

 

[Pogo]

I keep hearing this being used to describe illegals from Mexico.

Of course it's a PC term, a euphemism for "illegal alien".

Just one of a million examples of how you-know-who work to control the language, and therefore the conversation.

Use a disallowed word or phrase, out come the knives, and an honest conversation has been successfully avoided.

Seems to be what's happening here too. Until now the adective "undocumented" had always been AFAIK coupled with "worker". Now it's being surreptitiously morphed into "immigrant", which is a different concept.

As noted at the outset, I've been the former without ever being the latter. One wonders why the latter-day conflation.

 

[sakinago]

I keep hearing this being used to describe illegals from Mexico. I don't know if this is a PC term for illegal immigrants, a term to describe a specific situation for someone who had a VISA and it expired, or, one of the "dreamers" who was born in America because their parents were illegal, yadda yadda.

Can someone explain this term to me please? If it is just a politically correct term for "illegal immigrant", it needs to be wiped from the lexicon, it's an insult to the terminology.

I await any information that you guys could provide.

Yes it is the PC term because term illegal immigrants, implies (correctly I might add), wrong doing. And in an age of govt using social engineering and behavioral sciences, to help push enough of the population to where you want them, you have to use language as tool. Undocumented doesn't imply any wrong doing, so if you make or guilt everyone into saying undocumented, enough of them associate that with out wrong doing. Then you make an emotional appeal that they are just dreamers like our ancestors were, compare them to the large waves of immigrants from Europe in the past. Although this is knowingly dishonest because those Europeans immigrated to America legally, and we're vetted for diseases and such. So you make that false comparison and trigger an emotional response for your supporters, and state those who want to reclaim control of illegal immigration are nothing more than motivated by racialism and bigotry, to be against this "victimless crime" (of which it is not victimless). Which in the minds of the supporters, "these people are just racist, why would I listen to anything they have to say, it all comes from evil."

That's the function of the term undocumented.

 

[Pogo]

They entered this country illegallly, they are a criminal....if a person over stays their visa, they become a criminal.........

They also become part of the majority of cases of illegal immigration ----- which directly undermines the concept of the "wall".

 

[sakinago]

They entered this country illegallly, they are a criminal....if a person over stays their visa, they become a criminal.........

They also become part of the majority of cases of illegal immigration ----- which directly undermines the concept of the "wall".

The wall is a stupid symbol that doesn't really add much to stopping the problem. It is however law, that's was voted on in 2006. Partially enforced, since we do have a partial boarder wall that does act to funnel some boarder crossing. The wall is more of a deterrent than an actual solution. The actual solution is...just enforce laws already on the book, and they will self deport with out work, which is why they came here in the first place.

 

[Billo_Really]

If they came here illegally, they are illegal aliens. Being a refugee doesn't negate the fact that the means of getting here was outside of the law...and hence illegal.

So what! Unless you're a native American, we all came here illegally.

 

[rightwinger]

Documentation can be provided

Cheaper than building a freak'n wall

Documentation can be provided

View attachment 117467

I agree. They should provide their own documentation. Traveling south of the border.

Easier to just issue temporary visas to allow them to work and pay taxes

Yes, after we deport the millions of current illegals, we should use temporary worker visas if we need farm workers, for example.

Come here for a few months, make your money, travel back home.

That's the way it was before we closed the border. Mexicans used to come for work and then return home offseason

Once we closed the border it was easier to stay

If we had closed the border, we wouldn't have more than 10 million illegal aliens.

If we allowed them to go home, we wouldn't have ten million here

 

[Billo_Really]

Here in Chicago, we pay nearly $12,000 per year for every illegal alien student in our bankrupt school system.

Prove it.

 

[boedicca]

If they came here illegally, they are illegal aliens. Being a refugee doesn't negate the fact that the means of getting here was outside of the law...and hence illegal.

So what! Unless you're a native American, we all came here illegally.

B'loney.

 

[Billo_Really]

B'loney.

This is not that big of an issue and it gets way too much attention.

 

[sakinago]

Here in Chicago, we pay nearly $12,000 per year for every illegal alien student in our bankrupt school system.

Prove it.

We spend 39 billion annually educating illegal immigrant children. That doesn't take into account schools building extra space for them, feeding them, and any special programs they may need.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I keep hearing this being used to describe illegals from Mexico. I don't know if this is a PC term for illegal immigrants, a term to describe a specific situation for someone who had a VISA and it expired, or, one of the "dreamers" who was born in America because their parents were illegal, yadda yadda.

Can someone explain this term to me please? If it is just a politically correct term for "illegal immigrant", it needs to be wiped from the lexicon, it's an insult to the terminology.

I await any information that you guys could provide.

Uh duh, Yes!

"Undocumented immigrant"="illegal alien"

The end.

 

[Pogo]

They entered this country illegallly, they are a criminal....if a person over stays their visa, they become a criminal.........

They also become part of the majority of cases of illegal immigration ----- which directly undermines the concept of the "wall".

The wall is a stupid symbol that doesn't really add much to stopping the problem. It is however law, that's was voted on in 2006. Partially enforced, since we do have a partial boarder wall that does act to funnel some boarder crossing. The wall is more of a deterrent than an actual solution. The actual solution is...just enforce laws already on the book, and they will self deport with out work, which is why they came here in the first place.

I don't know what "wall" you're talking about. I'm referring to the $25 billion two thousand mile "wall" that Rump tried to sell to the gullibles on the campaign trail. It doesn't exist, nor should it.

 

[sakinago]

If they came here illegally, they are illegal aliens. Being a refugee doesn't negate the fact that the means of getting here was outside of the law...and hence illegal.

So what! Unless you're a native American, we all came here illegally.

So the USG is an illegitimate government?


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[Marion Morrison]

They entered this country illegallly, they are a criminal....if a person over stays their visa, they become a criminal.........

They also become part of the majority of cases of illegal immigration ----- which directly undermines the concept of the "wall".

The wall is a stupid symbol that doesn't really add much to stopping the problem. It is however law, that's was voted on in 2006. Partially enforced, since we do have a partial boarder wall that does act to funnel some boarder crossing. The wall is more of a deterrent than an actual solution. The actual solution is...just enforce laws already on the book, and they will self deport with out work, which is why they came here in the first place.

I don't know what "wall" you're talking about. I'm referring to the $25 billion two thousand mile "wall" that Rump tried to sell to the gullibles on the campaign trail. It doesn't exist, nor should it.

It's going to exist within the next 3 years.

 

[Billo_Really]

So the USG is an illegitimate government?


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That's not what I said.

 

[boedicca]

B'loney.

This is not that big of an issue and it gets way too much attention.

You are historically ignorant.

 

[Pogo]

They entered this country illegallly, they are a criminal....if a person over stays their visa, they become a criminal.........

They also become part of the majority of cases of illegal immigration ----- which directly undermines the concept of the "wall".

The wall is a stupid symbol that doesn't really add much to stopping the problem. It is however law, that's was voted on in 2006. Partially enforced, since we do have a partial boarder wall that does act to funnel some boarder crossing. The wall is more of a deterrent than an actual solution. The actual solution is...just enforce laws already on the book, and they will self deport with out work, which is why they came here in the first place.

I don't know what "wall" you're talking about. I'm referring to the $25 billion two thousand mile "wall" that Rump tried to sell to the gullibles on the campaign trail. It doesn't exist, nor should it.

It going to exist within the next 3 years.

Yuh huh.

March 19, 2020. Meet me here.

 

[sakinago]

They entered this country illegallly, they are a criminal....if a person over stays their visa, they become a criminal.........

They also become part of the majority of cases of illegal immigration ----- which directly undermines the concept of the "wall".

The wall is a stupid symbol that doesn't really add much to stopping the problem. It is however law, that's was voted on in 2006. Partially enforced, since we do have a partial boarder wall that does act to funnel some boarder crossing. The wall is more of a deterrent than an actual solution. The actual solution is...just enforce laws already on the book, and they will self deport with out work, which is why they came here in the first place.

I don't know what "wall" you're talking about. I'm referring to the $25 billion two thousand mile "wall" that Rump tried to sell to the gullibles on the campaign trail. It doesn't exist, nor should it.

Maybe you should verify what youre baseless claims before you spew them out. Yes a wall was already voted on and passed in 2006. Government has not fully enforced that law, but has partially built it. They also have previously purchased much of the land intended for building the wall.

So the wall trump was talking about has already been voted for before Obama and should have been built by now. But our govt thinks they are in the business of selectively choosing which laws they want to follow, which to ignore, and which to exempt themselves from.