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How is supplying weapons to Israel bailing them out??? You make absolutely no sense.
Iran supplies Syria with weapons and Syria supplies Lebanon with weapons.
Russia also supplies Syria.

We did more than that in 1973. Golda Meir threatened World War III, and Nixon saved Israel.

And yes, you've already mentioned how you want Israel to be nuked and wiped off the map. How do you think you got the name Nazi Joe!
Basically, you know the world cannot do anything about Israel, so you come up with your childish projections that Iran will nuke Israel. Ya, that's such a likely outcome :rolleyes:
Why would Iran commit suicide??

I don't know, maybe they'd be happy to get their 76 Virgins in the afterlife. And if you think ZIonism can survive by becoming North Korea, you are a bit delusion.


And you changed your opinion again. Now you're saying Israel will allow right of return. You're wrong. Israel isn't nearly as stupid as you. Sorry bub.

I think they can't stop it. I think that a lot Israelis will eventually realize Zionism is a dead end, much like Apartheid.
 
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How is supplying weapons to Israel bailing them out??? You make absolutely no sense.
Iran supplies Syria with weapons and Syria supplies Lebanon with weapons.
Russia also supplies Syria.

We did more than that in 1973. Golda Meir threatened World War III, and Nixon saved Israel.

And yes, you've already mentioned how you want Israel to be nuked and wiped off the map. How do you think you got the name Nazi Joe!
Basically, you know the world cannot do anything about Israel, so you come up with your childish projections that Iran will nuke Israel. Ya, that's such a likely outcome :rolleyes:
Why would Iran commit suicide??

I don't know, maybe they'd be happy to get their 76 Virgins in the afterlife. And if you think ZIonism can survive by becoming North Korea, you are a bit delusion.


And you changed your opinion again. Now you're saying Israel will allow right of return. You're wrong. Israel isn't nearly as stupid as you. Sorry bub.

I think they can't stop it. I think that a lot Israelis will eventually realize Zionism is a dead end, much like Apartheid.

Please Joe, you out of all people shouldn't be calling others delusional.

You have an extremely flawed view on Israel and projections about Israel.


BTW, what is this much more that America did in 1973, besides supply Israel with weapons?
 
And what do you mean by Israel won't be able to stop ROR??

Who's going to force them to do it?? It's their country and they say who is allowed to come in..
 
There are like 6 million Jews surrounded by 100s of millions of non-Jews. Do you really think that even with their nukes they won't have to make an accommodation with the people around them at some point? They are in a situation very similar to the white Rhodesians and white South Africans. Eventually, the vast majority has its way. The question is, will the Jews of Israel choose the Rhodesian way or the South African way.
 
There are like 6 million Jews surrounded by 100s of millions of non-Jews. Do you really think that even with their nukes they won't have to make an accommodation with the people around them at some point? They are in a situation very similar to the white Rhodesians and white South Africans. Eventually, the vast majority has its way. The question is, will the Jews of Israel choose the Rhodesian way or the South African way.

And the majority of those 100s of millions of non-Jews have been at war with each other for a millennia.
You know something we don't?
 
........ Who did the Blacks get S Africa from?


That IS an interesting question.

What are your thoughts?


On the other, I think we have covered that "Might is Right" is a mediaeval concept, which is consigned to history. That Native Americans were deprived and ethnically cleansed off their lands was nasty, brutal and unjust.

But sadly it was a nasty, brutal and unjust world.

Since then things have improved.
We have enshrined in law that you cannot acquire territory though conquest. It might be done, just like your house may be robbed, but neither is LEGAL.

Hence, you might have noticed a little dispute with Russia, recently, to illustrate.

Funny enough Americas Best Friend FOREVER, has refused to side with America over this.
"Honour amongst thieves", I suppose.
 
How is supplying weapons to Israel bailing them out???


That is a funny one.
Well, try "supplying FREE weapons". Or you can argue that Israel pays a token fee, just the US gives them more money to pay the token fee and more, whichever you like.

Without US Support Israel would not exist. Its military adventures cost too much, its economy could not support them, and neighbouring nations would had removed Israel.

I am not saying it would be pretty, and not even that I would approve of it, but it would be done. Much better the US pulls back and helps Israel to understand it has to change, both radically and fast.

Otherwise, at high cost to all involves=d, Joe's predictions WILL come about.

Funny thing is, there seems to be a group of Zionist Christian Fundamentalists (emphasis on the MENTALISTS) who think that is a GOOD THING and GOD'S WILL, and will bring about the END OF THE WORLD. :eusa_shifty:

Some odd people in the States ...
 
........ Who did the Blacks get S Africa from?


That IS an interesting question.

What are your thoughts?


On the other, I think we have covered that "Might is Right" is a mediaeval concept, which is consigned to history. That Native Americans were deprived and ethnically cleansed off their lands was nasty, brutal and unjust.

But sadly it was a nasty, brutal and unjust world.

Since then things have improved.
We have enshrined in law that you cannot acquire territory though conquest. It might be done, just like your house may be robbed, but neither is LEGAL.

Hence, you might have noticed a little dispute with Russia, recently, to illustrate.

Funny enough Americas Best Friend FOREVER, has refused to side with America over this.
"Honour amongst thieves", I suppose.

Long argument would involve great apes and lions, marking territory with urine and scent glans, only being about to hold territory one can defend and after combat the looser has to find new ground or slinks away and licks his wounds, and the winner now has the spoils of prime real estate or of females for breeding, etc., no one had a deed because the need for lawyers had not existed before, about making a bet by engaging in combat and the looser not getting back his losses and the winner not gaining anything from the bet, but it would probably be lost on you.
 
You have an interesting outlook aris.

Law of the jungle, seems to be what you are advocating for the modern world.
I can see how Israel would think that may work. But its a short term strategy.
A dog has its day. Then is eaten. Which will happen, even to a place as militarised as Israel.

Law and Justice, even as imperfect as it is, is much superior.
 
You have an interesting outlook aris.

Law of the jungle, seems to be what you are advocating for the modern world.
I can see how Israel would think that may work. But its a short term strategy.
A dog has its day. Then is eaten. Which will happen, even to a place as militarised as Israel.

Law and Justice, even as imperfect as it is, is much superior.

Having been through a civil war, law of the jungle is a good way of putting what happens through out the middle east. In war there are no court rooms. Those come after war has ended and the victors seek a measure of retribution. During war it is a fight for survival. Alliances shift from moment to moment and you do what ever you can or need to just to get from one day to the next. All the while you see loved one injured or killed and have no time to mourn or fix things. When fighting is at its worse in your neighborhood, you leave to some place safer, hoping there is still a home to come back to. For those who have lost everything, there is not insurance or compensation from those to destroyed the area. You somehow start over again, with nothing and no help. If possible you sift through the rubble and see what can be salvaged, find a broom and sweep a stop on the side walk clean and set up shop with the few things you still own. You watch the light in people's eye fade to hollow globes, dull and lifeless, just going through the motions but unable to really feel anything at all.
Yes, it is law of might and not right sometimes. The strong get respect while those who spoke of peace and compromise are given a swift kick in the back side, or worse.
War in not played out with lawyers and a jury. Human rights have not meaning. The only rights is the right to try and survive. Bombs don't have detours for children and civilians. They don't miss those who are on the same side. Building to not collapse only the apartments of these being targeted. Windows don't blow outwards. Rubble does not remove itself. Pieces do not magically fit back together and hold tight with magnets.
When your property becomes occupied by a refugee, you cannot simply tell them to leave, even if you have lost all else. They get the house and you get nothing. They get protection and services from the UN, while you have no resources except family and friends, if you are luck to still have any when there is a lull between fighting.
Try starting over with no ID or proof of who you are or to access money in an account, or to get another job, to be able to buy clothes to go to a job, to have a way to travel to a job, to have a place to store what little you do have. Sometimes the clothes on your back is all you have. Sometimes in life there are no UN or red cross to hide behind. No safety nets, to shelters. Sometimes you have no fresh water or food to eat three times a day.

War is not a video game you play from the comfort of your sofa with your shoe off and feet up on the coffee table, with a six pack of soda/beer and a bag of chips next to you.
War is not a color book where crayons stay in the lines. It is messy and smells and hurts. Sometimes there are no black or white hats, just smudge grimy gray dripping with blood.

War is like a hurricane or tornado. When told to get to safety to do and hope for the best. When you know there is going to be war and you are told to get out while you can, most logical people would go and hope to come back when it is over. Rarely will you return to find everything intact. You can't paint the door with lambs blood so the violence will passover and leave you or your property alone. Even with armed security there are time when you run, you don't stay or don't walk calmly away.

Law is not superior in the heat of fighting. Law does not exist. Law is who has the gun. Law is for times of peace. Law is to prevent war. Law is for rational people who abide by rules.
 
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But you do seem to prefer its rules aris.

Surely that is a mistake.
Unless you want eternal war. Is that what Israel's plan is?
 
But you do seem to prefer its rules aris.

Surely that is a mistake.
Unless you want eternal war. Is that what Israel's plan is?

Law is before and after war. There is no safety holding a law book like a shield in front of you when some has a gun, grenade launcher or howitzer at you. The words in a law book are not going to stop the bleeding, but the paper pages might be useful to sop up blood on the floors or as a compress against a wound. A court room gavel is not going to save you from a car bomb. Even a judges robes will not prevent loved ones from dying. Judges were killed off if the courts tried to convict someone of power for a crime. Murderers and assassins sat in parliament. Presidents were target practice when it was a cease fire or end of fighting.

I was taught to respect rules and the law and also how to fight and doing service for your country. I worked for peace and lived through war. I've befriended or grew up with people who would be arms dealers, terrorists and assassins. Nobody had clean hands by the time it will end. There were times when I would have killed and when I would not be party to an assassination, though in hind sight it might have saved lived if I had, but I believed in peace and communication. I still do. I am also wide eyed about war and what happens. At least in the middle east it is not played out on a strategy table moving wooden figures around like chess pieces. It is alley to alley, door way to window, street to rubble pile, beach to rock out crop. There are no designated battle ground. Sometimes there are no winners. Friends and family might be fighting each other during the day and go home and sit down to dinner at night, while trying not to talk about politics.

In case you did not see it, two intellectuals were invited to speak on a tv show and ended up ripping apart the set. Talking politics can be almost as dangerous as actually fighting with guns.

Middle east is not like europe or the US. They live by different rules, which they don't always follow.

Law, especially between countries or political groups, only applies when both side are willing to abide by it. No referees with yellow flag and giving penalties in that type of fighting. No white line or goal posts.
 
Law applies even in wars my dear.

You use a lot of words to make what can only be described as a rather nebulous and erroneous point.

Are you trying to bore me away?
 
........ Who did the Blacks get S Africa from?


That IS an interesting question.

What are your thoughts?


On the other, I think we have covered that "Might is Right" is a mediaeval concept, which is consigned to history. That Native Americans were deprived and ethnically cleansed off their lands was nasty, brutal and unjust.

But sadly it was a nasty, brutal and unjust world.

Since then things have improved.
We have enshrined in law that you cannot acquire territory though conquest. It might be done, just like your house may be robbed, but neither is LEGAL.

Hence, you might have noticed a little dispute with Russia, recently, to illustrate.

Funny enough Americas Best Friend FOREVER, has refused to side with America over this.
"Honour amongst thieves", I suppose.
When the Dutch established rest stations on the Cape in 1652, what was the population of South African Blacks in number?
 
When the Dutch established rest stations on the Cape in 1652, what was the population of South African Blacks in number?

I don't know.

At a guess ... 2?

Why would this be relevant?
 
When the Dutch established rest stations on the Cape in 1652, what was the population of South African Blacks in number?

I don't know.

At a guess ... 2?

Why would this be relevant?
Who stole the land in South Africa and who was it stolen from. (Often compared to Israel's "theft" of their own country, but there's a difference.)
 
There is a BIG difference.

Morally - not so much, but legally, the world was a lot nastier when S/A was settled.

But let me put this to you.
A family man. He has a wife, 8 children, 12 grandchildren.

He is lucky enough to own a big house, where they all live. Well, he is the head of the family, and they have all contributed to the house purchase, so they all own it really.

Then there is a neighbour. Not too close mind, as he has a big house too. Same size in fact. 20 bedrooms each and 10 bathrooms.

But only a wife, two children, and four grandchildren.

Sadly a gangster comes along and steals the first man's house. Well, he takes most of it, and lets the family stay in 6 of the bedrooms using just 3 of the bathrooms.

Another gangster comes along and steals the second man's house. He also let't them stay, but only in two bedrooms, using one bathroom.

Which of the householders was most robbed?
 
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What did this child do to deserve being murdered by Palestinians?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142846#.U21nzFfN4TA
 
When the Dutch established rest stations on the Cape in 1652, what was the population of South African Blacks in number?

I don't know.

At a guess ... 2?

Why would this be relevant?
Who stole the land in South Africa and who was it stolen from. (Often compared to Israel's "theft" of their own country, but there's a difference.)

who did the abolitionists and black americans steal liberia from?
 

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