Pink Floyd: "Rolling Stones should boycott Israel"

[aris2chat]

I'm tempted to say, 'stop whining Phoney'.

But I'm curious.
What claim did I make?

The first claim you made was that 'Pro Israelis are keen on genocide' in response to one of my posts.
I asked you where in any of my posts did you get that from. I got no answer.

Then you said 'Israel wipe out. This must be ANOTHER MEMRI false translation.
This implies you have come across a MEMRI false translation.

I asked you to show me which video you are talking about.

So far, all I'm getting from you are excuses .

But then Weezelbub, I'm used to this from the anti Zionist crowd

I took your "where " question as I would someone who asks where their glasses are, when they are on their head. In the quote of you, right above my comment, is the answer.

If you are not aware of the quite famous mistranslation of Ahamadinnerjackets comment that Israel disappear from the pages of history, to read as "Wiped off the map" then you really should feel a little embarrassed.

I am sure you can still find many a US media site that refuses to stop using the more aggressive translation, but that is the US media for you.

Does this help?

>>The firestorm started when Nazila Fathi, then the Tehran correspondent of The New York Times, reported a story almost six years ago that was headlined: “Wipe Israel ‘off the map’ Iranian says.” The article attributed newly elected Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s remarks to a report by the ISNA press agency.
Then, specialists such as Juan Cole of the University of Michigan and Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Project pointed out that the original statement in Persian did not say that Israel should be wiped from the map, but instead that it would collapse. ..........
Of course, an Israeli might conclude that such an outcome would be the destruction of the Jewish state in any case. <<

 

[Auldhippy]

Israel's demise will be by the hand of reasonable Jews, of which there are many, who will refuse to be tarnished by the brush of likud terrorists.

The folllowing quote is by Gerald Koffman MP in a speech to the UK parliament in 2002 :

It is time to remind Sharon that the star of David belongs to all Jews, not to his repulsive Government. His actions are staining the star of David with blood. The Jewish people, whose gifts to civilised discourse include Einstein and Epstein, Mendelssohn and Mahler, Sergei Eisenstein and Billy Wilder, are now symbolised throughout the world by the blustering bully Ariel Sharon, a war criminal implicaIt is time to remind Sharon that the star of David belongs to all Jews, not to his repulsive Government. His actions are staining the star of David with blood. The Jewish people, whose gifts to civilised discourse include Einstein and Epstein, Mendelssohn and Mahler, Sergei Eisenstein and Billy Wilder, are now symbolised throughout the world by the blustering bully Ariel Sharon, a war criminal implicated in the murder of Palestinians at the Sabra and Shatila camps and now involved in killing Palestinians once again.

Full text here Deir Yassin Remembered 2002: Full text of Gerald Kaufman's speech in House of Commons

Israel is not the "Jewish" state and has no right to claim to be , it should not speak for those who did not elect them, for many distinquished and many quite normal Jews Israel is a pariah.

Another quote, this time from long term Zionist supporter Winston Churchill, a tad upset over the assassination by terrorists (Israeli) of his friend Lord Moyne, being prophetic also to the UK parliament.:

If our dreams for Zionism are to end in the smoke of assassins' pistols and our labours for its future to produce only a new set of gangsters worthy of Nazi Germany, many like myself will have to reconsider the position we have maintained so consistently and so long in the past. If there is to be any hope of a peaceful and successful future for Zionism, these wicked activities must cease, and those responsible for them must be destroyed root and branch. [...] In Palestine the executive of the Jewish Agency have called upon the Jewish community&#8212;and I quote their actual words: 'To cast out the members of this destructive band, deprive them of all refuge and shelter, to resist their threats, and to render all necessary assistance to the authorities in the prevention of terrorist acts, and in the eradication of the terrorist organisation.'

Instead of eradicating those terrorists, Israel elected them as Prime Ministers and so fulfilled Churchills prophesy and produced only a new set of gangsters worthy of Nazi Germany still assassinating at will where ever they choose.

Walter Guinness, 1st Baron Moyne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[toastman]

Israel's demise will be by the hand of reasonable Jews, of which there are many, who will refuse to be tarnished by the brush of likud terrorists.

The folllowing quote is by Gerald Koffman MP in a speech to the UK parliament in 2002 :

It is time to remind Sharon that the star of David belongs to all Jews, not to his repulsive Government. His actions are staining the star of David with blood. The Jewish people, whose gifts to civilised discourse include Einstein and Epstein, Mendelssohn and Mahler, Sergei Eisenstein and Billy Wilder, are now symbolised throughout the world by the blustering bully Ariel Sharon, a war criminal implicaIt is time to remind Sharon that the star of David belongs to all Jews, not to his repulsive Government. His actions are staining the star of David with blood. The Jewish people, whose gifts to civilised discourse include Einstein and Epstein, Mendelssohn and Mahler, Sergei Eisenstein and Billy Wilder, are now symbolised throughout the world by the blustering bully Ariel Sharon, a war criminal implicated in the murder of Palestinians at the Sabra and Shatila camps and now involved in killing Palestinians once again.

Full text here Deir Yassin Remembered 2002: Full text of Gerald Kaufman's speech in House of Commons

Israel is not the "Jewish" state and has no right to claim to be , it should not speak for those who did not elect them, for many distinquished and many quite normal Jews Israel is a pariah.

Another quote, this time from long term Zionist supporter Winston Churchill, a tad upset over the assassination by terrorists (Israeli) of his friend Lord Moyne, being prophetic also to the UK parliament.:

If our dreams for Zionism are to end in the smoke of assassins' pistols and our labours for its future to produce only a new set of gangsters worthy of Nazi Germany, many like myself will have to reconsider the position we have maintained so consistently and so long in the past. If there is to be any hope of a peaceful and successful future for Zionism, these wicked activities must cease, and those responsible for them must be destroyed root and branch. [...] In Palestine the executive of the Jewish Agency have called upon the Jewish community—and I quote their actual words: 'To cast out the members of this destructive band, deprive them of all refuge and shelter, to resist their threats, and to render all necessary assistance to the authorities in the prevention of terrorist acts, and in the eradication of the terrorist organisation.'

Instead of eradicating those terrorists, Israel elected them as Prime Ministers and so fulfilled Churchills prophesy and produced only a new set of gangsters worthy of Nazi Germany still assassinating at will where ever they choose.

Walter Guinness, 1st Baron Moyne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mr . Seattle, Israel can call itself a Jewish State if it wants to.
Just like Iran and Pakistan call themselves Islamic Republic of ..

But since you have a long history of posting your hatred for Jews, we know it bothers you that Israel calls themselves a Jewish state.

 

[Beelzebub]

Hang on.

Someone told ME I was Mr. Seattle.

What's going on?

 

[Hossfly]

Looks to me that Pink Floyd should stick to music and not be champions for Nazis. The Nazis invented the Jewish boycott -- and went on from there to the Holocaust.


As you doubtless know, there has been, and continues to be, an international Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement against the Jewish state. This BDS campaign against Israel is dishonest -- it tells less than half of a complex story, borrowing Palestinian lies and fables to bewitch unthinking Westerners whose only formula for peace lies in the destruction of the only national home for the Jews, possibly as well as the post-Nazi destruction of the Jews themselves.

Most interesting are remarks made in 2012 by Norman Finkelstein, an American academic who has made it his business to pursue hatred for Israel. He has expressed solidarity with Hezbollah and Hamas, and approved their policies of targeting Israeli civilians. In 2012, however, he declared that the BDS movement a "hypocritical, dishonest cult like the Munchkin cult in Oz" that tries to pose as human rights activists while in reality their goal is to destroy Israel. "I'm getting a little bit exasperated," he said, "with what I think is a whole lot of nonsense. I'm not going to tolerate silliness, childishness and a lot of leftist posturing. I loathe the disingenuousness. We will never hear the solidarity movement [back a] two-state solution." He also declared that the BDS movement has enjoyed few successes, and that, as in a cult, the leaders pretend they are hugely successful even though the general public rejects their extreme views.

Continue at:

BDS Movement: Barbarians Inside the Gates - Part I

 

[Beelzebub]

Finklestein has been unwise in a number of things.

Noam Chromsky is a bit more mature in his approach.

BDS is hardly extreme. It says, don't let your money go to people who will use it to do bad things.
Seems reasonable.

 

[Auldhippy]

What's going on is that the zealots are trying to hide that there are many anti zionists by suggesting they are all this Mr Seattle using different avatars.

 

[Beelzebub]

I wouldn't worry.

The more self delusions the pro-Israel side operate under, the more mistakes they make.

 

[JoeB131]

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Right of return will never happen. What makes you think Israel will all of a sudden let that happen?? They know that it would be demographic suicide.

Exactly. if they gave back the land they stole, they'd be done and they know it.

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America still supports Israel and AIPAC is still around . There is nothing you can say to prove that will change.

AIPAC demanded a war in Syria, and America said, "Fuck No." We are getting wise to you clowns.

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The last comment of your post shows your true intention Joe. You're a sick and disgusting Nazi to say 'that works' . Only a rotten human being would say that.
How miserable do you have to be to wish that on a country?

Either way, all your projections are garbage. Try again.

Hey, I'm really kind of not happy that's how it's going to play out, dude. When you get two groups of religious assholes arguing over whose Magic Sky Pixie has a bigger dick, and you give them nukes, hilarity ensues.

 

[toastman]

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Right of return will never happen. What makes you think Israel will all of a sudden let that happen?? They know that it would be demographic suicide.

Exactly. if they gave back the land they stole, they'd be done and they know it.

[
America still supports Israel and AIPAC is still around . There is nothing you can say to prove that will change.

AIPAC demanded a war in Syria, and America said, "Fuck No." We are getting wise to you clowns.

[
The last comment of your post shows your true intention Joe. You're a sick and disgusting Nazi to say 'that works' . Only a rotten human being would say that.
How miserable do you have to be to wish that on a country?

Either way, all your projections are garbage. Try again.

Hey, I'm really kind of not happy that's how it's going to play out, dude. When you get two groups of religious assholes arguing over whose Magic Sky Pixie has a bigger dick, and you give them nukes, hilarity ensues.

In order for Israel to be stolen from the Palestinians, it had to have belonged to them. Are you familiar with the word 'sovereignty'???
Mandatory Palestine was not sovereign land. If it was, the Brits would not have been able to make a partition plan and they would not have allowed the Jews to set up their own government and declare independence.
You can parrot that lie all you want, but t doesn't change the facts.


Your projection said that Israel will allow right of return. Now you're agreeing with me that it won't happen.

Also, the fact that you think the main issue of this conflict is a religious one about who's God os more powerful shows you really have no clue what you're talking about Joe. You need to stop making up shit as you go along.

If they want Israels land, the ONLY way to get it is through conventional warfare. Otherwise, they can stop whining about how shit didn 't go their way in 1948...and 1967...and 1973.

 

[Lipush]

An antisemite calls for boycotting the Jews.

Oh, whatever shall we do?

LOLZ

 

[toastman]

[

Right of return will never happen. What makes you think Israel will all of a sudden let that happen?? They know that it would be demographic suicide.

Exactly. if they gave back the land they stole, they'd be done and they know it.

[
America still supports Israel and AIPAC is still around . There is nothing you can say to prove that will change.

AIPAC demanded a war in Syria, and America said, "Fuck No." We are getting wise to you clowns.

[
The last comment of your post shows your true intention Joe. You're a sick and disgusting Nazi to say 'that works' . Only a rotten human being would say that.
How miserable do you have to be to wish that on a country?

Either way, all your projections are garbage. Try again.

Hey, I'm really kind of not happy that's how it's going to play out, dude. When you get two groups of religious assholes arguing over whose Magic Sky Pixie has a bigger dick, and you give them nukes, hilarity ensues.

Hang on.

Someone told ME I was Mr. Seattle.

What's going on?

No, you're Mrs. Seattle.

 

[toastman]

What's going on is that the zealots are trying to hide that there are many anti zionists by suggesting they are all this Mr Seattle using different avatars.

Yes, I'm sure that's the case

 

[Beelzebub]

No, you're Mrs. Seattle.

 

[toastman]

No, you're Mrs. Seattle.

Sorry, you out that one on a silver platter for me.

 

[montelatici]

[

Right of return will never happen. What makes you think Israel will all of a sudden let that happen?? They know that it would be demographic suicide.

Exactly. if they gave back the land they stole, they'd be done and they know it.




AIPAC demanded a war in Syria, and America said, "Fuck No." We are getting wise to you clowns.

[
The last comment of your post shows your true intention Joe. You're a sick and disgusting Nazi to say 'that works' . Only a rotten human being would say that.
How miserable do you have to be to wish that on a country?

Either way, all your projections are garbage. Try again.

Hey, I'm really kind of not happy that's how it's going to play out, dude. When you get two groups of religious assholes arguing over whose Magic Sky Pixie has a bigger dick, and you give them nukes, hilarity ensues.

In order for Israel to be stolen from the Palestinians, it had to have belonged to them. Are you familiar with the word 'sovereignty'???
Mandatory Palestine was not sovereign land. If it was, the Brits would not have been able to make a partition plan and they would not have allowed the Jews to set up their own government and declare independence.
You can parrot that lie all you want, but t doesn't change the facts.


Your projection said that Israel will allow right of return. Now you're agreeing with me that it won't happen.

Also, the fact that you think the main issue of this conflict is a religious one about who's God os more powerful shows you really have no clue what you're talking about Joe. You need to stop making up shit as you go along.

If they want Israels land, the ONLY way to get it is through conventional warfare. Otherwise, they can stop whining about how shit didn 't go their way in 1948...and 1967...and 1973.

"In order for Israel to be stolen from the Palestinians, it had to have belonged to them. Are you familiar with the word 'sovereignty'???"

It's like saying that the Americas did not belong to the native americans because it wasn't organized as a nation state or the blacks in South Africa for that matter. You need to brush up on your logic. The Palestinians were there, the Europeans settled there and then displaced them. Full stop.

 

[toastman]

Exactly. if they gave back the land they stole, they'd be done and they know it.




AIPAC demanded a war in Syria, and America said, "Fuck No." We are getting wise to you clowns.



Hey, I'm really kind of not happy that's how it's going to play out, dude. When you get two groups of religious assholes arguing over whose Magic Sky Pixie has a bigger dick, and you give them nukes, hilarity ensues.

In order for Israel to be stolen from the Palestinians, it had to have belonged to them. Are you familiar with the word 'sovereignty'???
Mandatory Palestine was not sovereign land. If it was, the Brits would not have been able to make a partition plan and they would not have allowed the Jews to set up their own government and declare independence.
You can parrot that lie all you want, but t doesn't change the facts.


Your projection said that Israel will allow right of return. Now you're agreeing with me that it won't happen.

Also, the fact that you think the main issue of this conflict is a religious one about who's God os more powerful shows you really have no clue what you're talking about Joe. You need to stop making up shit as you go along.

If they want Israels land, the ONLY way to get it is through conventional warfare. Otherwise, they can stop whining about how shit didn 't go their way in 1948...and 1967...and 1973.

"In order for Israel to be stolen from the Palestinians, it had to have belonged to them. Are you familiar with the word 'sovereignty'???"

It's like saying that the Americas did not belong to the native americans because it wasn't organized as a nation state or the blacks in South Africa for that matter. You need to brush up on your logic. The Palestinians were there, the Europeans settled there and then displaced them. Full stop.

If 5 Arab armies didn't attack Israel, those 700 000 Palestinians would still be there.

 

[Hossfly]

Exactly. if they gave back the land they stole, they'd be done and they know it.




AIPAC demanded a war in Syria, and America said, "Fuck No." We are getting wise to you clowns.



Hey, I'm really kind of not happy that's how it's going to play out, dude. When you get two groups of religious assholes arguing over whose Magic Sky Pixie has a bigger dick, and you give them nukes, hilarity ensues.

In order for Israel to be stolen from the Palestinians, it had to have belonged to them. Are you familiar with the word 'sovereignty'???
Mandatory Palestine was not sovereign land. If it was, the Brits would not have been able to make a partition plan and they would not have allowed the Jews to set up their own government and declare independence.
You can parrot that lie all you want, but t doesn't change the facts.


Your projection said that Israel will allow right of return. Now you're agreeing with me that it won't happen.

Also, the fact that you think the main issue of this conflict is a religious one about who's God os more powerful shows you really have no clue what you're talking about Joe. You need to stop making up shit as you go along.

If they want Israels land, the ONLY way to get it is through conventional warfare. Otherwise, they can stop whining about how shit didn 't go their way in 1948...and 1967...and 1973.

"In order for Israel to be stolen from the Palestinians, it had to have belonged to them. Are you familiar with the word 'sovereignty'???"

It's like saying that the Americas did not belong to the native americans because it wasn't organized as a nation state or the blacks in South Africa for that matter. You need to brush up on your logic. The Palestinians were there, the Europeans settled there and then displaced them. Full stop.

Who did the Indians get America from? Who did the Blacks get S Africa from?

 

[JoeB131]

In order for Israel to be stolen from the Palestinians, it had to have belonged to them. Are you familiar with the word 'sovereignty'???
Mandatory Palestine was not sovereign land. If it was, the Brits would not have been able to make a partition plan and they would not have allowed the Jews to set up their own government and declare independence.
You can parrot that lie all you want, but t doesn't change the facts.

The British took a lot of liberties with the rest of the world, which is why they are pretty much hated even to this day. Britain dividing Palestine as as much morality as Hitler dividing up the territories of Czechoslovakia.

Your projection said that Israel will allow right of return. Now you're agreeing with me that it won't happen.

Oh, I think it will happen eventually, because the Zionists are increasingly becoming international outcasts because of it.

Also, the fact that you think the main issue of this conflict is a religious one about who's God os more powerful shows you really have no clue what you're talking about Joe. You need to stop making up shit as you go along.

Israel's whole claim is Yahweh gave them that land. The Arabs think Allah gave them that land.

If they want Israels land, the ONLY way to get it is through conventional warfare. Otherwise, they can stop whining about how shit didn 't go their way in 1948...and 1967...and 1973.

As I said, the Iranians might save everyone the trouble and just nuke them.

But here's the thing. The US Had to bail the Zionist Entity out in 1973. And in 1982. and frankly, the Zionists haven't won a war since.

 

[toastman]

In order for Israel to be stolen from the Palestinians, it had to have belonged to them. Are you familiar with the word 'sovereignty'???
Mandatory Palestine was not sovereign land. If it was, the Brits would not have been able to make a partition plan and they would not have allowed the Jews to set up their own government and declare independence.
You can parrot that lie all you want, but t doesn't change the facts.

The British took a lot of liberties with the rest of the world, which is why they are pretty much hated even to this day. Britain dividing Palestine as as much morality as Hitler dividing up the territories of Czechoslovakia.

Your projection said that Israel will allow right of return. Now you're agreeing with me that it won't happen.

Oh, I think it will happen eventually, because the Zionists are increasingly becoming international outcasts because of it.

Also, the fact that you think the main issue of this conflict is a religious one about who's God os more powerful shows you really have no clue what you're talking about Joe. You need to stop making up shit as you go along.

Israel's whole claim is Yahweh gave them that land. The Arabs think Allah gave them that land.

If they want Israels land, the ONLY way to get it is through conventional warfare. Otherwise, they can stop whining about how shit didn 't go their way in 1948...and 1967...and 1973.

As I said, the Iranians might save everyone the trouble and just nuke them.

But here's the thing. The US Had to bail the Zionist Entity out in 1973. And in 1982. and frankly, the Zionists haven't won a war since.

How is supplying weapons to Israel bailing them out??? You make absolutely no sense.
Iran supplies Syria with weapons and Syria supplies Lebanon with weapons.
Russia also supplies Syria.

And yes, you've already mentioned how you want Israel to be nuked and wiped off the map. How do you think you got the name Nazi Joe!
Basically, you know the world cannot do anything about Israel, so you come up with your childish projections that Iran will nuke Israel. Ya, that's such a likely outcome
Why would Iran commit suicide??

And you changed your opinion again. Now you're saying Israel will allow right of return. You're wrong. Israel isn't nearly as stupid as you. Sorry bub.