Philistines are NOT Arab Palestinians (as falsely advertised):

[editec]

Note that area down at the bottom?

What name did they give that region?

Here's a link to a larger view of it.

http://0.tqn.com/d/ancienthistory/1...f-Asia-Minor-under-the-Greeks-and-Romans-.jpg

Here's another map, also predating 1948

I could do this all day, ya know.

The region was KNOWN as Palestine for 2000 years.

Every cartographer for two millenia agreed to the name.

Anybody who tells you different is yanking your chain.

 

[irosie91]

what point are you struggling to make?

 

[toastman]

editec and Saigon:

Are Palestinians the same as Phillistines ?

 

[irosie91]

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Now find some reference to -----ACHMED THE
PALESTINIAN-------in some bit -----lets say----
1860 which you FEVEVENTLY claim dots the
the old records of that time

Well, this has already been posted 20 times on this site, but still....

Under the Ottomans, Palestine's Arab population mostly saw themselves as Ottoman subjects. Kimmerling and Migdal consider the revolt in 1834 of the Arabs in Palestine as the first formative event of the Palestinian people. In the 1830s, Palestine was occupied by the Egyptian vassal of the Ottomans, Muhammad Ali and his son Ibrahim Pasha. The revolt was precipitated by popular resistance against heavy demands for conscripts. Peasants were well aware that conscription was little more than a death sentence. Starting in May 1834, the rebels took many cities, among them Jerusalem, Hebron and Nablus. In response, Ibrahim Pasha sent in his army, finally defeating the last rebels on 4 August in Hebron



thanks saigon----NOWHERE in your citation is an arab called a "PALESTINIAN"
"arabs living in palestine ----which is part of the OTTOMAN CALIPHATE"
is as close as you can come to faking the idea that such people
considered themselves "PALESTINIANS" ----they considered themselves
MUSLIMS LIVING IN A CALIPHATE -------try to focus on reality. It is
true that they along with other muslims who actually lived in COUNTRIES
did not like the policies of the OTTOMAN RULERS------which is the only
reality a logical person draws from your article and the rest of known history

you are struggling to come up with that never used IDENTITY simply
based on the reality of ARAB HATRED OF TURKS
(ataturk is a dirty word in your world of arabism and islamicism---
ARABISM is not PALESTINIANISM ---until very recently)

"In May 1834, the introduction of new taxation laws and conscription into the Egyptian army were met with widespread anger. It resulted in a mass uprising by the fellahin which broke out in the Spring..."

"With great effort, Israel of Shklov had managed to send letters to foreign consuls in Beirut and informed them of the details of the troubles that befell the Jews, many of whom were the subjects of foreign states. Subsequently, foreign diplomats from the Netherlands, England and France based in Syrian Tripoli, protested the plunder,[24] which encouraged Ibrahim Pasha to send his Lebanese ally Bashir II to restore order. When Bashir and his forces entered Safed on July 17, 1834, the riots ceased immediately.[25] He made sure the Jews were protected from harm and pursued the culprits. Most of the rebels fled, but thirteen ringleaders along with the town's governor were captured, tried and publicly hanged in Acre"

History of the Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[toastman]

Now find some reference to -----ACHMED THE
PALESTINIAN-------in some bit -----lets say----
1860 which you FEVEVENTLY claim dots the
the old records of that time

Well, this has already been posted 20 times on this site, but still....

Under the Ottomans, Palestine's Arab population mostly saw themselves as Ottoman subjects. Kimmerling and Migdal consider the revolt in 1834 of the Arabs in Palestine as the first formative event of the Palestinian people. In the 1830s, Palestine was occupied by the Egyptian vassal of the Ottomans, Muhammad Ali and his son Ibrahim Pasha. The revolt was precipitated by popular resistance against heavy demands for conscripts. Peasants were well aware that conscription was little more than a death sentence. Starting in May 1834, the rebels took many cities, among them Jerusalem, Hebron and Nablus. In response, Ibrahim Pasha sent in his army, finally defeating the last rebels on 4 August in Hebron


"In May 1834, the introduction of new taxation laws and conscription into the Egyptian army were met with widespread anger. It resulted in a mass uprising by the fellahin which broke out in the Spring..."

"With great effort, Israel of Shklov had managed to send letters to foreign consuls in Beirut and informed them of the details of the troubles that befell the Jews, many of whom were the subjects of foreign states. Subsequently, foreign diplomats from the Netherlands, England and France based in Syrian Tripoli, protested the plunder,[24] which encouraged Ibrahim Pasha to send his Lebanese ally Bashir II to restore order. When Bashir and his forces entered Safed on July 17, 1834, the riots ceased immediately.[25] He made sure the Jews were protected from harm and pursued the culprits. Most of the rebels fled, but thirteen ringleaders along with the town's governor were captured, tried and publicly hanged in Acre"

History of the Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your link:

Since 1964, they have been referred to as Palestinians, but before that they were usually referred to as Palestinian Arabs

 

[irosie91]

Now find some reference to -----ACHMED THE
PALESTINIAN-------in some bit -----lets say----
1860 which you FEVEVENTLY claim dots the
the old records of that time

Well, this has already been posted 20 times on this site, but still....

Under the Ottomans, Palestine's Arab population mostly saw themselves as Ottoman subjects. Kimmerling and Migdal consider the revolt in 1834 of the Arabs in Palestine as the first formative event of the Palestinian people. In the 1830s, Palestine was occupied by the Egyptian vassal of the Ottomans, Muhammad Ali and his son Ibrahim Pasha. The revolt was precipitated by popular resistance against heavy demands for conscripts. Peasants were well aware that conscription was little more than a death sentence. Starting in May 1834, the rebels took many cities, among them Jerusalem, Hebron and Nablus. In response, Ibrahim Pasha sent in his army, finally defeating the last rebels on 4 August in Hebron


"In May 1834, the introduction of new taxation laws and conscription into the Egyptian army were met with widespread anger. It resulted in a mass uprising by the fellahin which broke out in the Spring..."

"With great effort, Israel of Shklov had managed to send letters to foreign consuls in Beirut and informed them of the details of the troubles that befell the Jews, many of whom were the subjects of foreign states. Subsequently, foreign diplomats from the Netherlands, England and France based in Syrian Tripoli, protested the plunder,[24] which encouraged
Ibrahim Pasha to send his Lebanese ally Bashir II to restore order. When Bashir and his forces entered Safed on July 17, 1834, the riots ceased immediately.[25] He made sure the Jews were protected from harm and pursued the culprits. Most of the rebels fled, but thirteen ringleaders along with the town's governor were captured, tried and publicly hanged in Acre"

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for those unaware----arabs hate turks ----the fact is that the real authors of
the 19th century REVIVAL OF ZIONISM were the turks---back then----but
they are tired of being hated in the islamic world and have joined
the BACK TO MECCA trend
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From your link:


Since 1964, they have been referred to as Palestinians, but before that they were usually referred to as Palestinian Arabs

thanks toast----for more insight-----a part of the islamo-nazi revisionist
history includes the concept that jews in arab countries were considered
by muslims and by jews themselves as "arabs" ----nope----when a jew
from an arab country----even when IN THE ARAB COUNTRY says
ARAB ----he is referring to muslims------the idea that jews considered
selves arabs is met by such jews with an expression suggesting that
the person so claiming is nuts

 

[toastman]

Well, this has already been posted 20 times on this site, but still....

Under the Ottomans, Palestine's Arab population mostly saw themselves as Ottoman subjects. Kimmerling and Migdal consider the revolt in 1834 of the Arabs in Palestine as the first formative event of the Palestinian people. In the 1830s, Palestine was occupied by the Egyptian vassal of the Ottomans, Muhammad Ali and his son Ibrahim Pasha. The revolt was precipitated by popular resistance against heavy demands for conscripts. Peasants were well aware that conscription was little more than a death sentence. Starting in May 1834, the rebels took many cities, among them Jerusalem, Hebron and Nablus. In response, Ibrahim Pasha sent in his army, finally defeating the last rebels on 4 August in Hebron


"In May 1834, the introduction of new taxation laws and conscription into the Egyptian army were met with widespread anger. It resulted in a mass uprising by the fellahin which broke out in the Spring..."

"With great effort, Israel of Shklov had managed to send letters to foreign consuls in Beirut and informed them of the details of the troubles that befell the Jews, many of whom were the subjects of foreign states. Subsequently, foreign diplomats from the Netherlands, England and France based in Syrian Tripoli, protested the plunder,[24] which encouraged
Ibrahim Pasha to send his Lebanese ally Bashir II to restore order. When Bashir and his forces entered Safed on July 17, 1834, the riots ceased immediately.[25] He made sure the Jews were protected from harm and pursued the culprits. Most of the rebels fled, but thirteen ringleaders along with the town's governor were captured, tried and publicly hanged in Acre"

************************************
for those unaware----arabs hate turks ----the fact is that the real authors of
the 19th century REVIVAL OF ZIONISM were the turks---back then----but
they are tired of being hated in the islamic world and have joined
the BACK TO MECCA trend
***********************************


From your link:


Since 1964, they have been referred to as Palestinians, but before that they were usually referred to as Palestinian Arabs

thanks toast----for more insight-----a part of the islamo-nazi revisionist
history includes the concept that jews in arab countries were considered
by muslims and by jews themselves as "arabs" ----nope----when a jew
from an arab country----even when IN THE ARAB COUNTRY says
ARAB ----he is referring to muslims------the idea that jews considered
selves arabs is met by such jews with an expression suggesting that
the person so claiming is nuts

Yes, this pretty much sums it up well. I can't comprehend why Saigon and editec don't understand this

 

[irosie91]

thanks toast----for more insight-----a part of the islamo-nazi revisionist
history includes the concept that jews in arab countries were considered
by muslims and by jews themselves as "arabs" ----nope----when a jew
from an arab country----even when IN THE ARAB COUNTRY says
ARAB ----he is referring to muslims------the idea that jews considered
selves arabs is met by such jews with an expression suggesting that
the person so claiming is nuts

Yes, this pretty much sums it up well. I can't comprehend why Saigon and editec don't understand this

TOAST---I think they do----they are just playing a game of
LETS PRETEND ISLAMIC REVISIONIST HISTORY IS RIGHT

uhm remember the novel "1984" ------and the incessant
revision of history?----I lost the terminology
they used----but it was the accepted thing
and not accepting was dissident and "INSANE"
NOTICE the phrase "EVERYONE BELIEVES"
or "THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS"

 

[Maryland]

The Philistines were of Indo-European origin. Known as the Sea Peoples for having come from the Aegean Sea. The Philistines disappeared as a people by the Babylonian conquest of the 6th century BCE.

Fakestinians are just Rabs, by definition, originating from Arabia. Last time I checked, there weren't any seas in the desert of Arabia.

 

[toastman]

The Philistines were of Indo-European origin. Known as the Sea Peoples for having come from the Aegean Sea. Fakestinians are just Rabs, by definition, originating from Arabia. Last time I checked, there weren't any seas in the desert of Arabia.

Ever hear a 'Palestinian' talk ? They refer to themselves as Philistines. In fact the word Palestinian in Arabic is pronounced Philistine الفلسطينيون

 

[Maryland]

The Philistines were of Indo-European origin. Known as the Sea Peoples for having come from the Aegean Sea. Fakestinians are just Rabs, by definition, originating from Arabia. Last time I checked, there weren't any seas in the desert of Arabia.

Ever hear a 'Palestinian' talk ? They refer to themselves as Philistines. In fact the word Palestinian in Arabic is pronounced Philistine الفلسطينيون

Fakestinians "talk" Arabic. The British invented the name "palestinian" to denote anyone--including Jews--under the British Mandate. Ironically, Arabs resisted being called palestinians until around 1967. Not exactly an ancient people LOL

 

[Lipush]

Palestine in Hebrew is פלישתי= The Philisitines. Taken from the Hebrew פולש which means "invader".

Mhmmm.

 

[irosie91]

The Philistines were of Indo-European origin. Known as the Sea Peoples for having come from the Aegean Sea. Fakestinians are just Rabs, by definition, originating from Arabia. Last time I checked, there weren't any seas in the desert of Arabia.

Ever hear a 'Palestinian' talk ? They refer to themselves as Philistines. In fact the word Palestinian in Arabic is pronounced Philistine الفلسطينيون

Fakestinians "talk" Arabic. The British invented the name "palestinian" to denote anyone--including Jews--under the British Mandate. Ironically, Arabs resisted being called palestinians until around 1967. Not exactly an ancient people LOL

not exactly JEWS used the term PALESTINIAN---written phonetically using
hebrew script-----before the british mandate times
So far No one has demonstrated that arabs used it to describe themselves
---the closest Saigon could come to that goal was a phrase "ARABS LIVING
IN PALESTINE" I found it in a book written in 1912 and on an old
painted sign-----dated 1914----on the side of a building in some ruins in
new york city--------but can probably find
it in lots more places PALESTINE written in hebrew letters is an
OBVIOUSLY foreign word ------it is LOTS OF LETTERS
Most hebrew words take up something
like two to five letters

Arabic speaking people cannot pronounce the word PALESTINE
it is almost comical that they decided to refer to themselves as
such ------the roman word was not FILISTIN---it was PALESTINA

uhm lingusts probably can tell us why the F and P thing
are so interchangable----- I have no idea how Ph developed
into F ------

 

[Maryland]

Palestine in Hebrew is פלישתי= The Philisitines. Taken from the Hebrew פולש which means "invader".

Mhmmm.

Palestine is an English name the British gave to Israel under the British Mandate. Palestine is derived from the Hebrew "Peleshet" that appears in the Hebrew Bible, signifying the invading Philistines.

Funny how the fakestinians identify by a Hebrew name for invaders

 

[Maryland]

Jesus was an enemy of the Israelites.

Since Jesus was called King of Israel in the Bible, wouldn't that have made him the Chief Israelite?

 

[Lipush]

Jesus was an enemy of the Israelites.

Since Jesus was called King of Israel in the Bible, wouldn't that have made him the Chief Israelite?

Chief Israelite is HaShem

 

[Maryland]

Jesus was an enemy of the Israelites.

Since Jesus was called King of Israel in the Bible, wouldn't that have made him the Chief Israelite?

Chief Israelite is HaShem

Jesus is the Deputy Chief Israelite

 

[Lipush]

Since Jesus was called King of Israel in the Bible, wouldn't that have made him the Chief Israelite?

Chief Israelite is HaShem

Jesus is the Deputy Chief Israelite

Ok, I'll go with you

 

[Maryland]

As "advertised"?

What is this, an A&E documentary?

I didn't get that either - who said otherwise?

I've never felt the Philistines were as key to modern Palestinian history as the Canaanites.

The Canaanites were not Arabs. The fakestinians are Arabs. There is absolutely no ancestral link between the Canaanites and the fakestinians. The consensus among historians and archaeologists is today's fakestinians descended from Arabs originating from Arabia.

No doubt invading (Cretan) Philistines settled on the coast, and no doubt there was some raping and pillaging going on which meant their descendants settled in what are now Palestinian towns, but research tells us that that Philistines did not arrive in huge numbers, and many left in time. Canaanite towns and garrisons like Jericho play a far more central role in all of thise.

The Philistines disappeared as a people in the 6th century.

The Jews are the only surviving ethnical people to today from ancient Canaan/Israel and Mesopotamia

 

[toastman]

Where did Pbel go?!??????????????????????????? He;s posting in other threads but he couldn't respond to my comment. Looks like I won the argument, again