Penn and Teller on the value of a college education

[squeeze berry]

Yup....Conservatives love education

As long as it is abolish the Dept of Education and Homeschool for everyone

There was Education before the Department of Education. One does not have to be old enough to remember.

Meaning squat

The US has a hodgepodge of education with communities giving varying emphasis on education. Sadly, the poorest performing schools tend to be in those Red States most intent on eliminating the Dept of Education

link?

 

[kwc57]

Gotta love this,

when you start your post off with that kind of grossly false statement it kinda makes the rest of your opinion hard to accept.

Good thing you used the term "wingnuts", it adds validity to your point of view.

Yup....Conservatives love education

As long as it is abolish the Dept of Education and Homeschool for everyone

after having your ass handed to you one would think you would shut the **** up.

but no............... more bullshit

rderp has a PhD in asshattery and can't make a living beyond being paid a penny a post on the interwebs. True story.

 

[rightwinger]

There was Education before the Department of Education. One does not have to be old enough to remember.

Meaning squat

The US has a hodgepodge of education with communities giving varying emphasis on education. Sadly, the poorest performing schools tend to be in those Red States most intent on eliminating the Dept of Education

link?

Education Week: Quality Counts 2013 - State Report Cards

 

[westwall]

Homeschooling is a gimmic, not a solution

THe majority of American families can no longer afford to keep one parent home to educate the children. There are also limitations on the educational capabilities of the parents

Again more bullshit. lol, libtards kill the economy then use that income shortage to defend their piss poor educational policies.

Only 57% of married women (with children and husbands still living at home) were employed, and only 60% of those were full time year round employees or 34% of all married women with children and a father at home.

Most women that have a choice are not employed full time and can afford to homeschool their children.

Why are you such a damned liar?

What is their education? You conveniently leave out single parents

Your assumption that because some are successful that all will be is seriously flawed

You need to read his posts more accurately.

 

[squeeze berry]

Meaning squat

The US has a hodgepodge of education with communities giving varying emphasis on education. Sadly, the poorest performing schools tend to be in those Red States most intent on eliminating the Dept of Education

link?

Education Week: Quality Counts 2013 - State Report Cards

your link proved you wrong

kinda looks like a draw

 

[JimBowie1958]

Can you demonstrate a cause and effect?

Don't need to. it was the last major policy change in US education.

Before the DOE we put men on the moon. After the DOE we have kids who can't make change for a dollar.

And Rick Santorum saying the president is a snob for wanting education to be availible for all Americans and Republicans cheered.

Bullshit. That is your spin and not the unvarnished truth, you ******* lying sack of shit.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Gotta love this,

when you start your post off with that kind of grossly false statement it kinda makes the rest of your opinion hard to accept.

Good thing you used the term "wingnuts", it adds validity to your point of view.

Yup....Conservatives love education

As long as it is abolish the Dept of Education and Homeschool for everyone

after having your ass handed to you one would think you would shut the **** up.

but no............... more bullshit

Rightwinger is a fraud and a troll who when obviously proven wrong immediately resorts to bullshit blizardry.

 

[rdean]

Don't need to. it was the last major policy change in US education.

Before the DOE we put men on the moon. After the DOE we have kids who can't make change for a dollar.

And Rick Santorum saying the president is a snob for wanting education to be availible for all Americans and Republicans cheered.

I don't really care what Santorum says I wouldn't vote for him if you paid me.

The fact is that not everyone needs to go to college and many people would be better off if they didn't.

Then you agree with Obama. He said no company will let someone without training run a million dollar piece of equipment, which is why we need investment in trade schools, technical schools and Jr. Colleges as well as Universities. Him saying only Universities was a right wing lie. Like, "You didn't build that".

 

[rdean]

Don't need to. it was the last major policy change in US education.

Before the DOE we put men on the moon. After the DOE we have kids who can't make change for a dollar.

And Rick Santorum saying the president is a snob for wanting education to be availible for all Americans and Republicans cheered.

Bullshit. That is your spin and not the unvarnished truth, you ******* lying sack of shit.

Please, point out the lie.

 

[squeeze berry]

not everyone will benefit or is capable of a university degree.

Penn and Teller had the figures correct.

and Obama was being disingenuous at best

 

[JimBowie1958]

And Rick Santorum saying the president is a snob for wanting education to be availible for all Americans and Republicans cheered.

Bullshit. That is your spin and not the unvarnished truth, you ******* lying sack of shit.

Please, point out the lie.

1. it was a joke to refer to Obama as a snob and the laughter proves that people understood it that way.

2. Santorum was pointing out that creating jobs is the best way to help people improve their living conditions, and he was contrasting the approach he (emphasizing job creation) proposed compared to Obama (emphasizing sending people to college, as if some folks aged 50+ are going to be able to just pick up another trade).

3. Santorum was not criticizing the President for wanting to make college available for all, but that Obama sees it as the primary means to get Americans employed.

Again, spin from a libtard like you is hardly a surprise.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Don't need to. it was the last major policy change in US education.

Before the DOE we put men on the moon. After the DOE we have kids who can't make change for a dollar.

And Rick Santorum saying the president is a snob for wanting education to be availible for all Americans and Republicans cheered.

I don't really care what Santorum says I wouldn't vote for him if you paid me.

The fact is that not everyone needs to go to college and many people would be better off if they didn't.

I would vote for Santorum before I would vote for McCain or Romney.

But you are exactly right about college.

 

[rightwinger]

Bullshit. That is your spin and not the unvarnished truth, you ******* lying sack of shit.

Please, point out the lie.

1. it was a joke to refer to Obama as a snob and the laughter proves that people understood it that way.

2. Santorum was pointing out that creating jobs is the best way to help people improve their living conditions, and he was contrasting the approach he (emphasizing job creation) proposed compared to Obama (emphasizing sending people to college, as if some folks aged 50+ are going to be able to just pick up another trade).

3. Santorum was not criticizing the President for wanting to make college available for all, but that Obama sees it as the primary means to get Americans employed.

Again, spin from a libtard like you is hardly a surprise.

A joke? surely you jest
It was a major part of his platform. The people laughed and cheered wildly as Santorum hit all the buzz words "Liberal College Professors" "Indoctrination" "Obama wants to make you in his image"

Sure....Santorum has a future on the stand up comedy circuit

 

[rdean]

And Rick Santorum saying the president is a snob for wanting education to be availible for all Americans and Republicans cheered.

I don't really care what Santorum says I wouldn't vote for him if you paid me.

The fact is that not everyone needs to go to college and many people would be better off if they didn't.

I would vote for Santorum before I would vote for McCain or Romney.

But you are exactly right about college.

Which is why Obama said no company would turn over a million dollar piece of equipment to someone without training. He said we should invest in trade schools, technical schools, Jr. Collesges and Universities.

Right wingers trying desparetely to say something against Obama while actually agreeing with what Obama said. They hate him so much, they simply can't admit he is right. It's nothing he's done. It's who he is they hate so much.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

There are basically two excellent reasons to get an education or to educate yourself

1. To be a better person/citizen/human

2 To be a better tool/worker/DOer.

If you can manage to do both at once?

YEAH for you.

I'm not sure one needs to go to college for either of the above but I think in most cases college helps.

1) is wrong. I know plenty of people without college educations that are better citizens/humans than most with college educations.

 

[martybegan]

There are basically two excellent reasons to get an education or to educate yourself

1. To be a better person/citizen/human

2 To be a better tool/worker/DOer.

If you can manage to do both at once?

YEAH for you.

I'm not sure one needs to go to college for either of the above but I think in most cases college helps.

1) is wrong. I know plenty of people without college educations that are better citizens/humans than most with college educations.

It means you GO to MAKE yourself a better person, it doesnt automatically make you a better person. In no way does 1) imply going to college is the ONLY way to make yourself a better person.

Reading comprehension isnt your strong point.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

There are basically two excellent reasons to get an education or to educate yourself

1. To be a better person/citizen/human

2 To be a better tool/worker/DOer.

If you can manage to do both at once?

YEAH for you.

I'm not sure one needs to go to college for either of the above but I think in most cases college helps.

1) is wrong. I know plenty of people without college educations that are better citizens/humans than most with college educations.

It means you GO to MAKE yourself a better person, it doesnt automatically make you a better person. In no way does 1) imply going to college is the ONLY way to make yourself a better person.

Reading comprehension isnt your strong point.

You missed an apostrophe.

 

[kwc57]

There are basically two excellent reasons to get an education or to educate yourself

1. To be a better person/citizen/human

2 To be a better tool/worker/DOer.

If you can manage to do both at once?

YEAH for you.

I'm not sure one needs to go to college for either of the above but I think in most cases college helps.

1) is wrong. I know plenty of people without college educations that are better citizens/humans than most with college educations.

It means you GO to MAKE yourself a better person, it doesnt automatically make you a better person. In no way does 1) imply going to college is the ONLY way to make yourself a better person.

Reading comprehension isnt your strong point.

Exactly! There are a good number of highly educated idiots.......many liberal elitists like Obama or Paul Krugman for example.

 

[martybegan]

1) is wrong. I know plenty of people without college educations that are better citizens/humans than most with college educations.

It means you GO to MAKE yourself a better person, it doesnt automatically make you a better person. In no way does 1) imply going to college is the ONLY way to make yourself a better person.

Reading comprehension isnt your strong point.

You missed an apostrophe.

Grammar Nazi asshole.

 

[Sunshine]

The conservative dislike of education reminds me of their dislike of media, or even other bifurcated positions. Things are always good on this side of the tracks but wrong on that side. But in real world terms, all the college educated kids I know who preside in the upper middle to the upper classes are doing well, while the many without college, usually lower middle to working class, are making little and not doing very well. One can't do well on a Walmart associate salary. Both categories are well represented in our family and close friend social network - this is a real world observation.

The other oddity in this video is the idea that college makes the kids diverse liberal rational critical persons. That is the real BS of the piece, the children I know who grew up in conservative republican families cling to the same bifurcated views as most wingnuts on USMB. Penn and Teller's focus on diversity is another red flag that BS is about to hit you on the head. It seems all you need in P&T's world are few slogan words and you have figured it out. What that is is hard to say.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/educa...ew-of-waiting-for-superman-5.html#post7330811
'New data shows school “reformers” are full of it'

"Poor schools underperform largely because of economic forces, not because teachers have it too easy"

"Reality, though, is finally catching up with the “reform” movement’s propaganda. With poverty and inequality intensifying, a conversation about the real problem is finally starting to happen. And the more education “reformers” try to distract from it, the more they will expose the fact that they aren’t driven by concern for kids but by the ugliest kind of greed — the kind that feigns concerns for kids in order to pad the corporate bottom line." New data shows school ?reformers? are full of it - Salon.com


"The Nordic countries maintain their dynamism despite high taxation in several ways. Most important, they spend lavishly on research and development and higher education. All of them, but especially Sweden and Finland, have taken to the sweeping revolution in information and communications technology and leveraged it to gain global competitiveness. Sweden now spends nearly 4 percent of GDP on R&D, the highest ratio in the world today. On average, the Nordic nations spend 3 percent of GDP on R&D, compared with around 2 percent in the English-speaking nations." Jeffrey D. Sachs The Social Welfare State, beyond Ideology: Scientific American

PS I have managed people for many many years and your degree means little if you are not motivated. Give me a liberal arts student with the will to study and work, not the engineering degree lazy bones. Not that this holds up in all cases.

A recent poll showed that more of the conservatives who post here have advanced degrees than the liberals who post here. So, clearly you cannot read. And your lack of management skills is showing.