Pelosi Silent On Own Father Who Oversaw Dedication Of Stonewall Jackson And Robert E. Lee Confederate Statues

[Ridgerunner]

Trump's father was in the KKK - so what's your point?

Well I will be damned... Look at the indian princess spewing out lies... Dumb ass... You can't even get snopes to back up your bullshit... Go weave a blanket liar...

Was Donald Trump's Father Arrested at a KKK Rally?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

That's why it's called SYSTEMIC racism OP.

It's the SYSTEM that perpetrates it.

That SYSTEM has dismantled.

That excuse doesn't work. When Eichmann was accused of Crimes against Humanity, he said it was "just the system" and he was just "obeying orders".

Eichmann still hung, and the same should go with Pelosi's father.

Charge him then and see if you get a conviction.......

There is a precedent you know. The Cadaver Synod in 897, when Formosus was exhumed, put on trial and convicted.

Oh, yes.

Hundreds of years ago, a guy named Oliver Cromwell was responsible for the execution of the English king.

After Cromwell died and the monarchy restored, the authorities dug up Cromwell's bones and did all kinds of things to his bones.

Human beings are something else!

Yea, but erecting a statue to Confederate generals isn't illegal.....

I don't quite understand the willingness by some republicans to look desperately stupid in order to justify their worship for confederate statue porn....

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Personally I think you should ask her.

Are you personally offended by statues of Stonewall Jackson or Robert E. Lee?

I don't blame you if you are. Just curious.

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Yep. Thats why I say most whites are racist. If you have no problem with being reminded daily that this person advocated enslaving people then you are just showing your true colors. I'm offended by columbus statues too.

I completely understand. Fair enough. That's a damn good reason to remove them.

My problem comes in when the goal is not removing icons that represent oppression, but removing icons that represent freedom. I fully believe that Charlottesville was more about Jefferson than Lee. I cannot abide erasing Jefferson from the books. Jefferson was the first (and only) President to peacefully push an agenda to end the practice of international slave trade in the U.S., so although the guy had his flaws, you KNOW he was a man who truly believed in the equality of all men, even during times when nobody else did.

We CANNOT remove him without removing the entire spirit of America and what it represents to the world. Can we at least agree on that?

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[Biff_Poindexter]

Hey by the way....we also don't have many statues honoring Thomas Gage, Cornwallis, or Benedict Arnold either...

in fact, the name Benedict Arnold is almost synonymous with the word traitor -- but according to you closet racists -- it shouldn't be.....

According to the logic of you closet racists -- I mean after all, he was just fighting to preserve his heritage and way of life and stuff....even if it was against the US

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

No, the constitution offers an amendment process to rectify those times when racism was codified by the Constitution...

That same Constitution also offers remedies to dismantle the systemic racism within places like the judicial system and elsewhere -- or were Trumpers just bullshitting when they were talking about all of these great things Trump did for blacks??

Imagine the turd fit that the right would have had if President Obama went down to the boonies of Missuhsaypay during his campaign and said "Hey Bubba, what da heck ya got ta loze?!?"

That would be an equivalent scenario if those "Bubbas" were lied to repeatedly and taken for granted by one party and completely ignored by the other part for over 60 years.

Are you really shitting on a GOP President for reaching out to black voters, when that hasn't happened since.............Coolidge? I don't know how far back it goes.


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[Asclepias]

Personally I think you should ask her.

YOU should be condemning her hypocrite.

I didnt know she had a hypocrite. What is their name?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Personally I think you should ask her.

Are you personally offended by statues of Stonewall Jackson or Robert E. Lee?

I don't blame you if you are. Just curious.

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Yep. Thats why I say most whites are racist. If you have no problem with being reminded daily that this person advocated enslaving people then you are just showing your true colors. I'm offended by columbus statues too.

I completely understand. Fair enough. That's a damn good reason to remove them.

My problem comes in when the goal is not removing icons that represent oppression, but removing icons that represent freedom. I fully believe that Charlottesville was more about Jefferson than Lee. I cannot abide erasing Jefferson from the books. Jefferson was the first (and only) President to peacefully push an agenda to end the practice of international slave trade in the U.S., so although the guy had his flaws, you KNOW he was a man who truly believed in the equality of all men, even during times when nobody else did.

We CANNOT remove him without removing the entire spirit of America and what it represents to the world. Can we at least agree on that?

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But Jefferson Davis statues can be removed tho right??

Seeing as tho that Jefferson fought AGAINST the US and the other Jefferson didn't -- the other Jefferson (whether intentional or not) -- helped to leave a roadmap that is currently today being used to rectify the legacies of white supremacy...and yes, make no mistake -- the founding of this country was on white supremacy....and we fixed it....

Seems like we should ask if these people are more triggered by us acknowledging how this country was founded --- or by how that system was dismantled

 

[22lcidw]

We may end up the first "benign" nation in history. Mandatory lobotomies for all.

 

[Asclepias]

Personally I think you should ask her.

Are you personally offended by statues of Stonewall Jackson or Robert E. Lee?

I don't blame you if you are. Just curious.

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Yep. Thats why I say most whites are racist. If you have no problem with being reminded daily that this person advocated enslaving people then you are just showing your true colors. I'm offended by columbus statues too.

I completely understand. Fair enough. That's a damn good reason to remove them.

My problem comes in when the goal is not removing icons that represent oppression, but removing icons that represent freedom. I fully believe that Charlottesville was more about Jefferson than Lee. I cannot abide erasing Jefferson from the books. Jefferson was the first (and only) President to peacefully push an agenda to end the practice of international slave trade in the U.S., so although the guy had his flaws, you KNOW he was a man who truly believed in the equality of all men, even during times when nobody else did.

We CANNOT remove him without removing the entire spirit of America and what it represents to the world. Can we at least agree on that?

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No. We cant agree. Jefferson was not only a racist and a slave owner, he raped a teenage Black girl in addition to being fully aware of what he was doing was wrong. We know this because he mentioned that slavery was an evil. However, he did nothing to stop his own personal slavery. He was a bum and a hypocrite to boot.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

But Jefferson Davis statues can be removed tho right??

Seeing as tho that Jefferson fought AGAINST the US and the other Jefferson didn't -- the other Jefferson (whether intentional or not) -- helped to lead a roadmap that is currently today being used to rectify the legacies of white supremacy...and yes, make no mistake -- the founding of this country was on white supremacy....and we fixed it....

First off, English motherfucker, do you speak it?

If I understand your gibberish correctly, you are saying that depictions of Thomas Jefferson (Not Jefferson Davis) should not be removed, even though you believe that the "system" he helped to create is used to allegedly perpetuate "white supremacy" (aka capitalism). Did I interpret your slack-jaw correctly?

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[MarcATL]

Democrats are erasing the history they want America to REPEAT

Please explain.

The only erasure of American History I've observed is white supremacists namely in Texas who chose to leave out almost all of the racist history of slavery in the curriculum.

That's why just about every American, of all races, are WOEFULLY ignorant of this slave-owning history of this country.
Haven't you observed that as well?

 

[Polishprince]

Personally I think you should ask her.

Are you personally offended by statues of Stonewall Jackson or Robert E. Lee?

I don't blame you if you are. Just curious.

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Yep. Thats why I say most whites are racist. If you have no problem with being reminded daily that this person advocated enslaving people then you are just showing your true colors. I'm offended by columbus statues too.

I completely understand. Fair enough. That's a damn good reason to remove them.

My problem comes in when the goal is not removing icons that represent oppression, but removing icons that represent freedom. I fully believe that Charlottesville was more about Jefferson than Lee. I cannot abide erasing Jefferson from the books. Jefferson was the first (and only) President to peacefully push an agenda to end the practice of international slave trade in the U.S., so although the guy had his flaws, you KNOW he was a man who truly believed in the equality of all men, even during times when nobody else did.

We CANNOT remove him without removing the entire spirit of America and what it represents to the world. Can we at least agree on that?

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But Jefferson Davis statues can be removed tho right??

Seeing as tho that Jefferson fought AGAINST the US and the other Jefferson didn't -- the other Jefferson (whether intentional or not) -- helped to leave a roadmap that is currently today being used to rectify the legacies of white supremacy...and yes, make no mistake -- the founding of this country was on white supremacy....and we fixed it....

Seems like we should ask if these people are more triggered by us acknowledging how this country was founded --- or by how that system was dismantled

Why do you think it would be best for the country, to demonize a whole region permanently for slavery? Don't you think that redemption and reconciliation are useful to get this country back together after the War of Northern Aggression? BTW, the GOP is against Slavery and has been against it since its founding.

 

[MarcATL]

Well I will be damned... Look at the indian princess spewing out lies... Dumb ass... You can't even get snopes to back up your bullshit... Go weave a blanket liar...

Was Donald Trump's Father Arrested at a KKK Rally?

What was Mr. Drumpf doing near that? What the heck could he have been doing to be even near that thing during that time?

 

[Lakhota]

Trump's father was in the KKK - so what's your point?

Well I will be damned... Look at the indian princess spewing out lies... Dumb ass... You can't even get snopes to back up your bullshit... Go weave a blanket liar...

Was Donald Trump's Father Arrested at a KKK Rally?

 

[Polishprince]

Well I will be damned... Look at the indian princess spewing out lies... Dumb ass... You can't even get snopes to back up your bullshit... Go weave a blanket liar...

Was Donald Trump's Father Arrested at a KKK Rally?

What was Mr. Drumpf doing near that? What the heck could he have been doing to be even near that thing during that time?

See what is happening in the neighborhood in the years before TV and internet? Live events were a lot more popular back in the day, particularly since you weren't allowed to even drink back then.

Could have been there to protest against the Triple K?

Might have just been swept up when he was doing something else unrelated nearby?

 

[MarcATL]

I completely understand. Fair enough. That's a damn good reason to remove them.

My problem comes in when the goal is not removing icons that represent oppression, but removing icons that represent freedom. I fully believe that Charlottesville was more about Jefferson than Lee. I cannot abide erasing Jefferson from the books. Jefferson was the first (and only) President to peacefully push an agenda to end the practice of international slave trade in the U.S., so although the guy had his flaws, you KNOW he was a man who truly believed in the equality of all men, even during times when nobody else did.

We CANNOT remove him without removing the entire spirit of America and what it represents to the world. Can we at least agree on that?

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That's the thing, was it ever truly a spirit of freedom considering that they enslaved people while perpetuating that myth?

Secondly, I think America has blown that perception by the rest of world in the last 16 years, if they hadn't before.

Here's something you may not have considered, there's lots of American heroes of the past that are true beacons of freedom, but I don't think they're the ones you'll likely think of on your own.

Perhaps it's time we start elevating them.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

efferson was not only a racist and a slave owner, he raped a teenage Black girl in addition to being fully aware of what he was doing was wrong.

No evidence of that whatsoever but pure conjecture. (Your communist overlords are brainwashing you with bullshit to make you see Jefferson as an evil person to help bring on the communist revolution)

We know this because he mentioned that slavery was an evil. However, he did nothing to stop his own personal slavery. He was a bum and a hypocrite to boot.

That is a conversation I would have with him. I don't know why he was such a hypocrite about slavery (he was), but you can't throw out the baby with the bath water. His original draft of the Dec of Independence (which was edited) coupled with letters to his wife about the practice show that he was a deeply conflicted man in a situation where such beliefs would get you killed and the slaves sent to work for "School Teacher." You MUST at least see that.

Otherwise, we need to COMPLETELY DESTROY any depiction of Lincoln. That racist motherfucker was racist as FUCK, overtly and without apology.
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[MarcATL]

See what is happening in the neighborhood in the years before TV and internet? Live events were a lot more popular back in the day, particularly since you weren't allowed to even drink back then.

Could have been there to protest against the Triple K?

Might have just been swept up when he was doing something else unrelated nearby?

Pssssssttt.........................!!!! My offer still stands...

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

That's the thing, was it ever truly a spirit of freedom considering that they enslaved people while perpetuating that myth?

It had to start somewhere. Before that, the colonials were subjects to a tyrant with limited individual liberty (especially free speech/press).

You seem to want perfection in the founding in the late 1700s seen through the prism of today's standards, rather than good enough under the existing circumstances. I say you "seem" to want such perfection, because I believe what you really want is to criticize/dismantle so you can have communism.

Am I wrong?

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[Polishprince]

I completely understand. Fair enough. That's a damn good reason to remove them.

My problem comes in when the goal is not removing icons that represent oppression, but removing icons that represent freedom. I fully believe that Charlottesville was more about Jefferson than Lee. I cannot abide erasing Jefferson from the books. Jefferson was the first (and only) President to peacefully push an agenda to end the practice of international slave trade in the U.S., so although the guy had his flaws, you KNOW he was a man who truly believed in the equality of all men, even during times when nobody else did.

We CANNOT remove him without removing the entire spirit of America and what it represents to the world. Can we at least agree on that?

.

That's the thing, was it ever truly a spirit of freedom considering that they enslaved people while perpetuating that myth?

Secondly, I think America has blown that perception by the rest of world in the last 16 years, if they hadn't before.

Here's something you may not have considered, there's lots of American heroes of the past that are true beacons of freedom, but I don't think they're the ones you'll likely think of on your own.

Perhaps it's time we start elevating them.

Maybe you're right. Its time to start honoring the Eric Garners and Rap Browns and Trayvons, instead of Lincoln and Washington