Pelosi puts the blame where it belongs

[OKTexas]

Texas shooter bought gun in private sale, after ban due to mental illness: ABC - Reuters

Actually it turns out he bought it form an unlicensed manufacturer. ie another criminal.

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got a link??

Law enforcement sources told the Journal they believe the Lubbock man sold the gun to Ator privately. Private sales do not require background checks.

But according to the report, authorities believe the seller bought parts on the internet, then built the gun and sold it, which is illegal without a license.

Report: Lubbock man may have illegally built, sold gun to Odessa shooter

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[MisterBeale]

Texas shooter bought gun in private sale, after ban due to mental illness: ABC - Reuters

Actually it turns out he bought it form an unlicensed manufacturer. ie another criminal.

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got a link??

Of course not. When the peoples representatives wanted proof, all they were told was. . . POUND SAND, it's classified.

Past Attorney General Went Unpunished for Contempt | RealClearPolitics

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Texas shooter bought gun in private sale, after ban due to mental illness: ABC - Reuters

Actually it turns out he bought it form an unlicensed manufacturer. ie another criminal.

.

got a link??

Law enforcement sources told the Journal they believe the Lubbock man sold the gun to Ator privately. Private sales do not require background checks.

But according to the report, authorities believe the seller bought parts on the internet, then built the gun and sold it, which is illegal without a license.

Report: Lubbock man may have illegally built, sold gun to Odessa shooter

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And something tells me if this background check law was in place, he wouldn't have run any background check on the killer given these circumstances.

But also is the point that guns can be brought in as parts and assembled by criminals in the states.

 

[OKTexas]

Texas shooter bought gun in private sale, after ban due to mental illness: ABC - Reuters

Actually it turns out he bought it form an unlicensed manufacturer. ie another criminal.

.

got a link??

Law enforcement sources told the Journal they believe the Lubbock man sold the gun to Ator privately. Private sales do not require background checks.

But according to the report, authorities believe the seller bought parts on the internet, then built the gun and sold it, which is illegal without a license.

Report: Lubbock man may have illegally built, sold gun to Odessa shooter

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And something tells me if this background check law was in place, he wouldn't have run any background check on the killer given these circumstances.

But also is the point that guns can be brought in as parts and assembled by criminals in the states.

Yep.

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[HappyJoy]

He is responsible for these newer deaths.

And leftists wonder why we point and laugh.

To deflect from your idiotic excuses as to why we don't have universal background checks for all gun sales even though it's more popular than apple pie.

 

[HappyJoy]

The NRA is no where near strict enough.
If a true constitutionalist gun group gets the spotlight, you bedwetters will move on to shitting yourselves.

The NRA is already in disagreement with gun measures such as universal background checks that already have 80-90% approval.

Tell ya what commie, when you can legally require are criminal to do a background check when he sells a stolen gun to another criminal, then and only then will I discuss more background checks for the law abiding.

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But how did the criminal get his gun? Originally from someone who bought it legally, no?? A personal sale perhaps, with no background check needed on him? ...from another person who bought it in a personal sale or gun shop sale, to sell to him in a personal sale?

it seems like common sense to require gun sellers, to do a background check on who they are selling the gun to, unless it is immediate family, perhaps....?

Will it end gun violence? Heck no! But it will stop some of it.... make it a little harder for guns to make it to this gun black market, where guns are a dime a dozen...

Thugs guns originate from the black market. Which you want to thrive.
I hope you get sued by a gang violence victim

They weren't original on the black market, how'd they get there? How do you know none of those guns were purchased privately?

 

[HappyJoy]

The NRA is no where near strict enough.
If a true constitutionalist gun group gets the spotlight, you bedwetters will move on to shitting yourselves.

The NRA is already in disagreement with gun measures such as universal background checks that already have 80-90% approval.

Tell ya what commie, when you can legally require are criminal to do a background check when he sells a stolen gun to another criminal, then and only then will I discuss more background checks for the law abiding.

.

But how did the criminal get his gun? Originally from someone who bought it legally, no?? A personal sale perhaps, with no background check needed on him? ...from another person who bought it in a personal sale or gun shop sale, to sell to him in a personal sale?

it seems like common sense to require gun sellers, to do a background check on who they are selling the gun to, unless it is immediate family, perhaps....?

Will it end gun violence? Heck no! But it will stop some of it.... make it a little harder for guns to make it to this gun black market, where guns are a dime a dozen...

How about all the guns stolen during robberies? How about guns brought in from over the border or overseas? Do you really think that the only guns in the world are those sold in the U.S.? I mean seriously?

^strawman, nobody is claiming guns only fall into the wrong hands one way.

 

[HappyJoy]

The NRA is no where near strict enough.
If a true constitutionalist gun group gets the spotlight, you bedwetters will move on to shitting yourselves.

The NRA is already in disagreement with gun measures such as universal background checks that already have 80-90% approval.

Tell ya what commie, when you can legally require are criminal to do a background check when he sells a stolen gun to another criminal, then and only then will I discuss more background checks for the law abiding.

.

But how did the criminal get his gun? Originally from someone who bought it legally, no?? A personal sale perhaps, with no background check needed on him? ...from another person who bought it in a personal sale or gun shop sale, to sell to him in a personal sale?

it seems like common sense to require gun sellers, to do a background check on who they are selling the gun to, unless it is immediate family, perhaps....?

Will it end gun violence? Heck no! But it will stop some of it.... make it a little harder for guns to make it to this gun black market, where guns are a dime a dozen...

How about all the guns stolen during robberies? How about guns brought in from over the border or overseas? Do you really think that the only guns in the world are those sold in the U.S.? I mean seriously?

Democrats know this bill won't solve many problems. It's just one small step towards total gun confiscation.

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What % of those guns in the black market were originally purchased privately? While were at it, let's get rid of straw purchases as well.

 

[Care4all]

Tell ya what commie, when you can legally require are criminal to do a background check when he sells a stolen gun to another criminal, then and only then will I discuss more background checks for the law abiding.

.

But how did the criminal get his gun? Originally from someone who bought it legally, no?? A personal sale perhaps, with no background check needed on him? ...from another person who bought it in a personal sale or gun shop sale, to sell to him in a personal sale?

it seems like common sense to require gun sellers, to do a background check on who they are selling the gun to, unless it is immediate family, perhaps....?

Will it end gun violence? Heck no! But it will stop some of it.... make it a little harder for guns to make it to this gun black market, where guns are a dime a dozen...

How about all the guns stolen during robberies? How about guns brought in from over the border or overseas? Do you really think that the only guns in the world are those sold in the U.S.? I mean seriously?

Democrats know this bill won't solve many problems. It's just one small step towards total gun confiscation.

View attachment 278771

ty! an informative chart!

But my question would be, how do the guns get to the black market? Who is supplying them? same with the illegal category?

There are a lot of gun shop thefts, home thefts where the robber gets the guns, and even guns imported from illegals sources outside of the country.

In my city I have read several reports where some dope leaves his or her gun in the car, and when it's broken into, the gun of course is gone.

But more to the point is that Democrats know these laws they propose won't come close to solving any problems. They are using it as a stepping stone. This is why I suggested that Republicans go along with their idea provided they sign a Contract with America that states they will never bring up the gun issue again if we agree to go along with this one.

The Democrats would never entertain such a proposal because even they know this law is only one of many they plan on for the future.

Unless the Constitution is Amended, you and I will always be able to have guns for self defense. I see the notion of "they are going to take all of our guns away" as a scare tactic to make you all buy more guns and vote Republican.... it's silly to me....

Sure, some other bad actors in other Countries over the years have done so.... but WE have the Bill of Rights, the 2nd Amendment, something these other despotic rulers, never had....

 

[MAGAman]

read the news silly one, it/s right there for all to see....

So you're repeating Democrat talking points.

Got it.

 

[OKTexas]

The NRA is already in disagreement with gun measures such as universal background checks that already have 80-90% approval.

Tell ya what commie, when you can legally require are criminal to do a background check when he sells a stolen gun to another criminal, then and only then will I discuss more background checks for the law abiding.

.

But how did the criminal get his gun? Originally from someone who bought it legally, no?? A personal sale perhaps, with no background check needed on him? ...from another person who bought it in a personal sale or gun shop sale, to sell to him in a personal sale?

it seems like common sense to require gun sellers, to do a background check on who they are selling the gun to, unless it is immediate family, perhaps....?

Will it end gun violence? Heck no! But it will stop some of it.... make it a little harder for guns to make it to this gun black market, where guns are a dime a dozen...

How about all the guns stolen during robberies? How about guns brought in from over the border or overseas? Do you really think that the only guns in the world are those sold in the U.S.? I mean seriously?

Democrats know this bill won't solve many problems. It's just one small step towards total gun confiscation.

View attachment 278771

What % of those guns in the black market were originally purchased privately? While were at it, let's get rid of straw purchases as well.

In your own words, strawman purchases are already illegal.

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[Care4all]

read the news silly one, it/s right there for all to see....

So you're repeating Democrat talking points.

Got it.

OH, SHUT UP!

 

[HappyJoy]

Tell ya what commie, when you can legally require are criminal to do a background check when he sells a stolen gun to another criminal, then and only then will I discuss more background checks for the law abiding.

.

But how did the criminal get his gun? Originally from someone who bought it legally, no?? A personal sale perhaps, with no background check needed on him? ...from another person who bought it in a personal sale or gun shop sale, to sell to him in a personal sale?

it seems like common sense to require gun sellers, to do a background check on who they are selling the gun to, unless it is immediate family, perhaps....?

Will it end gun violence? Heck no! But it will stop some of it.... make it a little harder for guns to make it to this gun black market, where guns are a dime a dozen...

How about all the guns stolen during robberies? How about guns brought in from over the border or overseas? Do you really think that the only guns in the world are those sold in the U.S.? I mean seriously?

Democrats know this bill won't solve many problems. It's just one small step towards total gun confiscation.

View attachment 278771

What % of those guns in the black market were originally purchased privately? While were at it, let's get rid of straw purchases as well.

In your own words, strawman purchases are already illegal.

.

strawman purchases? Ok.

What I'm saying is that straw purchases are abundant and often times gun dealers have reason to believe the purchase of guns is for someone else. If there is a pattern of gun dealers falling into these types of sales then they are a problem and should be shut down.

 

[Care4all]

But how did the criminal get his gun? Originally from someone who bought it legally, no?? A personal sale perhaps, with no background check needed on him? ...from another person who bought it in a personal sale or gun shop sale, to sell to him in a personal sale?

it seems like common sense to require gun sellers, to do a background check on who they are selling the gun to, unless it is immediate family, perhaps....?

Will it end gun violence? Heck no! But it will stop some of it.... make it a little harder for guns to make it to this gun black market, where guns are a dime a dozen...

How about all the guns stolen during robberies? How about guns brought in from over the border or overseas? Do you really think that the only guns in the world are those sold in the U.S.? I mean seriously?

Democrats know this bill won't solve many problems. It's just one small step towards total gun confiscation.

View attachment 278771

What % of those guns in the black market were originally purchased privately? While were at it, let's get rid of straw purchases as well.

In your own words, strawman purchases are already illegal.

.

strawman purchases? Ok.

What I'm saying is that straw purchases are abundant and often times gun dealers have reason to believe the purchase of guns is for someone else. If there is a pattern of gun dealers falling into these types of sales then they are a problem and should be shut down.

I agree!

And honestly, the thought of all the guns that are out there on the Black Market or illegally, it blows my mind that ALL of them would come from breaking in to a person's house or car to steal them one at a time...

it is likely LEGAL gun shops in cahoots with these strawman purchasers or with the thefts of their stores..... or something where the black market sellers can get multiple guns at a time, make big purchases...bulk buys?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

But how did the criminal get his gun? Originally from someone who bought it legally, no?? A personal sale perhaps, with no background check needed on him? ...from another person who bought it in a personal sale or gun shop sale, to sell to him in a personal sale?

it seems like common sense to require gun sellers, to do a background check on who they are selling the gun to, unless it is immediate family, perhaps....?

Will it end gun violence? Heck no! But it will stop some of it.... make it a little harder for guns to make it to this gun black market, where guns are a dime a dozen...

How about all the guns stolen during robberies? How about guns brought in from over the border or overseas? Do you really think that the only guns in the world are those sold in the U.S.? I mean seriously?

Democrats know this bill won't solve many problems. It's just one small step towards total gun confiscation.

View attachment 278771

What % of those guns in the black market were originally purchased privately? While were at it, let's get rid of straw purchases as well.

In your own words, strawman purchases are already illegal.

.

strawman purchases? Ok.

What I'm saying is that straw purchases are abundant and often times gun dealers have reason to believe the purchase of guns is for someone else. If there is a pattern of gun dealers falling into these types of sales then they are a problem and should be shut down.

Ah yes, more Thought Police tactics.

Question: Have you ever been in a gun store? If you have (at least with the better ones) you'd realize the clerks are extremely busy showing weapons, answering questions, filling out paperwork, showing accessories and so on. In fact the stores I've been to had a waiting line.

So tell me, how in the world would a legal seller of firearms "know" that a legal purchaser is buying the weapon for another who is not legally allowed to own one, yet alone being held responsible for the sale to that legal purchaser?

When you find that crystal ball, let me know where to buy one. I could sure use it to see the lottery numbers next time they are pulled.

 

[OKTexas]

But how did the criminal get his gun? Originally from someone who bought it legally, no?? A personal sale perhaps, with no background check needed on him? ...from another person who bought it in a personal sale or gun shop sale, to sell to him in a personal sale?

it seems like common sense to require gun sellers, to do a background check on who they are selling the gun to, unless it is immediate family, perhaps....?

Will it end gun violence? Heck no! But it will stop some of it.... make it a little harder for guns to make it to this gun black market, where guns are a dime a dozen...

How about all the guns stolen during robberies? How about guns brought in from over the border or overseas? Do you really think that the only guns in the world are those sold in the U.S.? I mean seriously?

Democrats know this bill won't solve many problems. It's just one small step towards total gun confiscation.

View attachment 278771

What % of those guns in the black market were originally purchased privately? While were at it, let's get rid of straw purchases as well.

In your own words, strawman purchases are already illegal.

.

strawman purchases? Ok.

What I'm saying is that straw purchases are abundant and often times gun dealers have reason to believe the purchase of guns is for someone else. If there is a pattern of gun dealers falling into these types of sales then they are a problem and should be shut down.

So you want to hold a dealer responsible for a person lying on a form? Are they supposed to be physic?

.

 

[SAYIT]

You want gun owners to pay a private company for permission to enjoy the Bill of Rights?

Brilliant, Einstein....

How about we set up a private company and allow the MSM to pay for a license to report the news? You OK with that?

gun shop owners have to, why wouldn't you?

So should everyone that sells a used car be required by the government to do a full 50 point inspection of the car before they sell it like a car lot has to, to make sure the like the brakes don't go out and someone gets killed?

Where does your slippery slope end?

But why even bother forcing gun shops to do a B/Ground check on buyers before they sell to them, when private owners don't have to...?? seems like a huge gaping loophole that essentially nullifies what gun shop owners are forced, by law, to do?

You completely avoided my point? The second amendment doesn't say private citizens need run checks on individuals they sell a gun to?

Answer me this... who the hell would enforce that? HOW would they enforce that?

That's not even the real concern here.

The real concern is what might happen if Democrats gain power of the federal government again. In other words, what will they expand the criteria to in order to purchase a weapon?

DumBama made it illegal for anybody on Social Security that can't make out their own bills from buying a firearm. Trump rescinded the idiotic order, but the question is, how many old people on SS were buying guns and killing people with them?

So this is what I fear, because Democrats have proven repeatedly they cannot be trusted. They have a goal in mind, and take incremental steps to achieving that goal, which of course in this case, make it virtually impossible for any American to own a firearm.

'Tis a slippery slope and decades of creeping socialism under Dem governance has proven that they are not to be trusted ... ever.

As we post some of 'em claim that the US is already a socialist state so what is the harm in a bit more, and a bit more, and a bit more, and...

 

[Yousaidwhat]

A reporter asks Pelosi why she did not recall the House back to DC on guns.

She rips Moscow Mitch a new one with her response.

The House acted in February. Moscow Mitch did nothing. He is responsible for these newer deaths.

Watch Nancy Pelosi burn Mitch McConnell and a reporter who asked a silly question

The NRA is not better than a terrorist organization backed by Republicans that they have purchased over the years like McConnell.

Blood is on their hands.

Way to go Nancy

**** you asshole.

I'm not a Republican, and you can cry all the tears you wish.

***** knows better than to ban firearms.

The NRA can dissolve tomorrow but she knows better.

You're talking out of your ass, because you're mouth knows better.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

But how did the criminal get his gun? Originally from someone who bought it legally, no?? A personal sale perhaps, with no background check needed on him? ...from another person who bought it in a personal sale or gun shop sale, to sell to him in a personal sale?

it seems like common sense to require gun sellers, to do a background check on who they are selling the gun to, unless it is immediate family, perhaps....?

Will it end gun violence? Heck no! But it will stop some of it.... make it a little harder for guns to make it to this gun black market, where guns are a dime a dozen...

How about all the guns stolen during robberies? How about guns brought in from over the border or overseas? Do you really think that the only guns in the world are those sold in the U.S.? I mean seriously?

Democrats know this bill won't solve many problems. It's just one small step towards total gun confiscation.

View attachment 278771

ty! an informative chart!

But my question would be, how do the guns get to the black market? Who is supplying them? same with the illegal category?

There are a lot of gun shop thefts, home thefts where the robber gets the guns, and even guns imported from illegals sources outside of the country.

In my city I have read several reports where some dope leaves his or her gun in the car, and when it's broken into, the gun of course is gone.

But more to the point is that Democrats know these laws they propose won't come close to solving any problems. They are using it as a stepping stone. This is why I suggested that Republicans go along with their idea provided they sign a Contract with America that states they will never bring up the gun issue again if we agree to go along with this one.

The Democrats would never entertain such a proposal because even they know this law is only one of many they plan on for the future.

Unless the Constitution is Amended, you and I will always be able to have guns for self defense. I see the notion of "they are going to take all of our guns away" as a scare tactic to make you all buy more guns and vote Republican.... it's silly to me....

Sure, some other bad actors in other Countries over the years have done so.... but WE have the Bill of Rights, the 2nd Amendment, something these other despotic rulers, never had....

So what happens when Democrats have leadership of the entire country, and eventually put in their judges?

The constitutional protections of firearms are there, but nowhere does it say government can't interfere or make it difficult to own or carry a weapon. For instance, I would have no problem using my firearm in self defense in my state of Ohio because the laws are written to protect the victim. Not so in all states.

So while I'd have no problem using my firearm here, I would be very reluctant to do the same in a commie state.

Because of our Constitution, Democrats cannot come out and ban guns. But what they can do is make it such a hassle, institute so much red tape, make it such an expense that it's impractical to seek owning or carrying a firearm.

John Stossel Denied Carry Permit in NYC

 

[SAYIT]

Answer me this... who the hell would enforce that? HOW would they enforce that?

I don't know.... it's the $64,000 question! I suppose the honor system would never work in this day and age?

Would you surrender your guns on demand by gov't and trust them to defend and protect you, your fam, and our rights and never take advantage of unarmed, law-abiding Americans? Certainly criminals will always finds ways to get guns.