Pedophilia Deserves Civil Rights, Says New York Times’ Op-ed

[flacaltenn]

Pedophilia is not the same as skin color.

That's not for you to decide.

Pedophilia is not genetically determined. It is not something someone is *born* with. It's not the same as skin color or gender, which ARE genetically determined. These are facts. Do you know what a fact is?

Hello.

So you are saying they chose to be pedophiles. Knowing how the world ostracizes and prosecutes pedophiles they still voluntarily chose to become pedophiles? They must be crazy. Just like homo's.

Well, yes!

You're wrong.
Don't let this sidetrack our discussion but I'm bi-polar. I didn't choose to be bi-polar, I am bi-polar. It's a chemical thing that made me into the A personality I used to be. It also got me fired a lot when I lost my temper at work. Now I'm medicated and a B personality with 20 years in the same job. Genetically and Chemically we are controlled. True while I couldn't control the fact that I was angry, perhaps if I was better informed and more mentally stable I could have, should have, controlled how or whether I released my temper.

Bi-polar, Kleptomania, Homosexuality, Pedophilia, etc they are all not your fault. Blame nature or God but not yourself. Like someone else said a couple posts back though, that doesn't give you the right to violate someone else.

The GOOD Half of the Psych community is working on REAL tools to measure and detect actual brain imbalances and defects. Like bi-polar syndromes and schizophrenia.. In your case, the medications work because there is science to connect brain chemistry to behaviour.

I doubt SERIOUSLY that sexual choices are made by chronic brain disease or genetics. ALTHOUGH gayness itself may have a genetic root -- it does not explain the expression of the life style choices. See my comments on BIsexuals, polyamory above.....

 

[ScienceRocks]

I bet the left will push for a bunch of evil fucked up shit.

The left hates the family and sanity.

 

[Slyhunter]

That's not for you to decide.

Pedophilia is not genetically determined. It is not something someone is *born* with. It's not the same as skin color or gender, which ARE genetically determined. These are facts. Do you know what a fact is?

Hello.

So you are saying they chose to be pedophiles. Knowing how the world ostracizes and prosecutes pedophiles they still voluntarily chose to become pedophiles? They must be crazy. Just like homo's.

Well, yes!

You're wrong.
Don't let this sidetrack our discussion but I'm bi-polar. I didn't choose to be bi-polar, I am bi-polar. It's a chemical thing that made me into the A personality I used to be. It also got me fired a lot when I lost my temper at work. Now I'm medicated and a B personality with 20 years in the same job. Genetically and Chemically we are controlled. True while I couldn't control the fact that I was angry, perhaps if I was better informed and more mentally stable I could have, should have, controlled how or whether I released my temper.

Bi-polar, Kleptomania, Homosexuality, Pedophilia, etc they are all not your fault. Blame nature or God but not yourself. Like someone else said a couple posts back though, that doesn't give you the right to violate someone else.

The GOOD Half of the Psych community is working on REAL tools to measure and detect actual brain imbalances and defects. Like bi-polar syndromes and schizophrenia.. In your case, the medications work because there is science to connect brain chemistry to behaviour.

I doubt SERIOUSLY that sexual choices are made by chronic brain disease or genetics. ALTHOUGH gayness itself may have a genetic root -- it does not explain the expression of the life style choices. See my comments on BIsexuals, polyamory above.....

And some people get angry without being bi-polar.
Nothing is 100%

 

[ScienceRocks]

The left pushes for single parent families and a anti-male agenda.

The number one reason for poverty in this country!

The left is going to destroy all limitations until we're a bunch of sick animals.

 

[MaryL]

I think pedophilia and homosexuality are related. Gays are a really small small number, who is going to admit they are a pedophile? Thing is, both are sexual dysfunctions. Gays get all the popular media. Gays are buying it, they are manipulating popular opinion. For the little tiny ittso bisy fraction of the American populace they represent, they sure as hell have been getting lots positive attention from Hollywood shows and press. These gays are like the NRA, they can buy popular press....

 

[Asclepias]

Thats not even rational. I'm all for openness but I draw the line at adults wanting to have sex with children. There would be no way I would employ a known pedophile. Pedophiles should be ostracized because they are a very real threat to children. There is no gray area. They are being driven by the strongest urge in human body. Its not worth the risk. Sorry.

Why do people have to abide by where YOU draw the line? Others may feel the same way about having to work next to you.

Because I said so. I dont care what others feel. I'm not a pedo.

You want to exercise your right to choose your own associations but you're content to deny people the very same right to choose their own associations.

Sorry, life doesn't work that way, there are no special rules which apply only to you. Maybe you should get behind this notion "I disagree with what you say but I shall defend to the death your right to speak your mind" and substitute free association in place of free speech. This way everyone has the right to free association restored to them.

Until you support human rights, I will find happiness in the thought of you being forced to work alongside a pedophile. Just thinking about that forced association makes me smile.

Youre wrong. Life does work that way. If I caught a pedo he would not be long for this earth. Sorry to bust your bubble but you wont ever get to smile. i work for myself not someone else so I pick who I work with and when I work with them.

So you wouldn't blame me if I felt the same way about homo's then? I shouldn't be forced to work with one if I don't want to or make a cake for them either for that matter.

Why would I blame you? I'd think you were dumb since it didn't affect you or a child. Maybe that's why there is a law against it and not for pedos.

 

[Asclepias]

Why do people have to abide by where YOU draw the line? Others may feel the same way about having to work next to you.

Because I said so. I dont care what others feel. I'm not a pedo.

You want to exercise your right to choose your own associations but you're content to deny people the very same right to choose their own associations.

Sorry, life doesn't work that way, there are no special rules which apply only to you. Maybe you should get behind this notion "I disagree with what you say but I shall defend to the death your right to speak your mind" and substitute free association in place of free speech. This way everyone has the right to free association restored to them.

Until you support human rights, I will find happiness in the thought of you being forced to work alongside a pedophile. Just thinking about that forced association makes me smile.

Youre wrong. Life does work that way. If I caught a pedo he would not be long for this earth. Sorry to bust your bubble but you wont ever get to smile. i work for myself not someone else so I pick who I work with and when I work with them.

So you wouldn't blame me if I felt the same way about homo's then? I shouldn't be forced to work with one if I don't want to or make a cake for them either for that matter.

hit him where it REALLY hurts

Hey Asclepias , since you shouldn't have to work with or serve pedophiles if you don't want to, what if I don't want to work with or serve blacks?

Get another job.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Because I said so. I dont care what others feel. I'm not a pedo.

You want to exercise your right to choose your own associations but you're content to deny people the very same right to choose their own associations.

Sorry, life doesn't work that way, there are no special rules which apply only to you. Maybe you should get behind this notion "I disagree with what you say but I shall defend to the death your right to speak your mind" and substitute free association in place of free speech. This way everyone has the right to free association restored to them.

Until you support human rights, I will find happiness in the thought of you being forced to work alongside a pedophile. Just thinking about that forced association makes me smile.

Youre wrong. Life does work that way. If I caught a pedo he would not be long for this earth. Sorry to bust your bubble but you wont ever get to smile. i work for myself not someone else so I pick who I work with and when I work with them.

So you wouldn't blame me if I felt the same way about homo's then? I shouldn't be forced to work with one if I don't want to or make a cake for them either for that matter.

hit him where it REALLY hurts

Hey Asclepias , since you shouldn't have to work with or serve pedophiles if you don't want to, what if I don't want to work with or serve blacks?

Get another job.

As I suspected you're too chickenshit to admit your hypocrisy.

 

[Asclepias]

You want to exercise your right to choose your own associations but you're content to deny people the very same right to choose their own associations.

Sorry, life doesn't work that way, there are no special rules which apply only to you. Maybe you should get behind this notion "I disagree with what you say but I shall defend to the death your right to speak your mind" and substitute free association in place of free speech. This way everyone has the right to free association restored to them.

Until you support human rights, I will find happiness in the thought of you being forced to work alongside a pedophile. Just thinking about that forced association makes me smile.

Youre wrong. Life does work that way. If I caught a pedo he would not be long for this earth. Sorry to bust your bubble but you wont ever get to smile. i work for myself not someone else so I pick who I work with and when I work with them.

So you wouldn't blame me if I felt the same way about homo's then? I shouldn't be forced to work with one if I don't want to or make a cake for them either for that matter.

hit him where it REALLY hurts

Hey Asclepias , since you shouldn't have to work with or serve pedophiles if you don't want to, what if I don't want to work with or serve blacks?

Get another job.

As I suspected you're too chickenshit to admit your hypocrisy.

Its not hypocrisy. If we were talking apples to apples I could see your point.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Youre wrong. Life does work that way. If I caught a pedo he would not be long for this earth. Sorry to bust your bubble but you wont ever get to smile. i work for myself not someone else so I pick who I work with and when I work with them.

So you wouldn't blame me if I felt the same way about homo's then? I shouldn't be forced to work with one if I don't want to or make a cake for them either for that matter.

hit him where it REALLY hurts

Hey Asclepias , since you shouldn't have to work with or serve pedophiles if you don't want to, what if I don't want to work with or serve blacks?

Get another job.

As I suspected you're too chickenshit to admit your hypocrisy.

Its not hypocrisy. If we were talking apples to apples I could see your point.

It is apples to apples. Either we can discriminate or we can't. Any law that says "only sometimes you can't discriminate" is unconstitutional as it affords special protections to SOME people.

For possibly the first time in your posting history, be honest and admit the truth.

 

[Asclepias]

So you wouldn't blame me if I felt the same way about homo's then? I shouldn't be forced to work with one if I don't want to or make a cake for them either for that matter.

hit him where it REALLY hurts

Hey Asclepias , since you shouldn't have to work with or serve pedophiles if you don't want to, what if I don't want to work with or serve blacks?

Get another job.

As I suspected you're too chickenshit to admit your hypocrisy.

Its not hypocrisy. If we were talking apples to apples I could see your point.

It is apples to apples. Either we can discriminate or we can't. Any law that says "only sometimes you can't discriminate" is unconstitutional as it affords special protections to SOME people.

For possibly the first time in your posting history, be honest and admit the truth.

Bullshit. Everyone discriminates. Some forms are legal and others are not. You discriminate when you choose to speak to some people and not to others. A person that is a pedo is potentially dangerous specifically to children. A Black person is not specifically dangerous to anyone. Its not apples to apples.

I think you are getting confused. If I didn't want to serve gay people for instance, I wouldn't but I would not whine about the consequences of my actions either.

 

[Slyhunter]

Why do people have to abide by where YOU draw the line? Others may feel the same way about having to work next to you.

Because I said so. I dont care what others feel. I'm not a pedo.

You want to exercise your right to choose your own associations but you're content to deny people the very same right to choose their own associations.

Sorry, life doesn't work that way, there are no special rules which apply only to you. Maybe you should get behind this notion "I disagree with what you say but I shall defend to the death your right to speak your mind" and substitute free association in place of free speech. This way everyone has the right to free association restored to them.

Until you support human rights, I will find happiness in the thought of you being forced to work alongside a pedophile. Just thinking about that forced association makes me smile.

Youre wrong. Life does work that way. If I caught a pedo he would not be long for this earth. Sorry to bust your bubble but you wont ever get to smile. i work for myself not someone else so I pick who I work with and when I work with them.

So you wouldn't blame me if I felt the same way about homo's then? I shouldn't be forced to work with one if I don't want to or make a cake for them either for that matter.

Why would I blame you? I'd think you were dumb since it didn't affect you or a child. Maybe that's why there is a law against it and not for pedos.

But we are talking about men who were born with an attraction to having sex with children but who have not actually even tried to have sex with a child, because they know it's wrong or whatever. IE men who have never harmed a child who simply want help in keeping it that way.

If it's ok for you to not work with someone, who has never hurt a child, that is a pedophile, then it should be ok for me to not work with someone, who has never hurt anyone, that is a homo.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

hit him where it REALLY hurts

Hey Asclepias , since you shouldn't have to work with or serve pedophiles if you don't want to, what if I don't want to work with or serve blacks?

Get another job.

As I suspected you're too chickenshit to admit your hypocrisy.

Its not hypocrisy. If we were talking apples to apples I could see your point.

It is apples to apples. Either we can discriminate or we can't. Any law that says "only sometimes you can't discriminate" is unconstitutional as it affords special protections to SOME people.

For possibly the first time in your posting history, be honest and admit the truth.

Bullshit. Everyone discriminates. Some forms are legal and others are not. You discriminate when you choose to speak to some people and not to others. A person that is a pedo is potentially dangerous specifically to children. A Black person is not specifically dangerous to anyone. Its not apples to apples.

I think you are getting confused. If I didn't want to serve gay people for instance, I wouldn't but I would not whine about the consequences of my actions either.

We're talking about the law here retard.

If the law allows you to discriminate against a pedo, it should allow me to discriminate against a black man PERIOD end of story. Nowhere in the law does it say "you can discriminate if you think the person might be dangerous"

Stop being dishonest.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Because I said so. I dont care what others feel. I'm not a pedo.

You want to exercise your right to choose your own associations but you're content to deny people the very same right to choose their own associations.

Sorry, life doesn't work that way, there are no special rules which apply only to you. Maybe you should get behind this notion "I disagree with what you say but I shall defend to the death your right to speak your mind" and substitute free association in place of free speech. This way everyone has the right to free association restored to them.

Until you support human rights, I will find happiness in the thought of you being forced to work alongside a pedophile. Just thinking about that forced association makes me smile.

Youre wrong. Life does work that way. If I caught a pedo he would not be long for this earth. Sorry to bust your bubble but you wont ever get to smile. i work for myself not someone else so I pick who I work with and when I work with them.

So you wouldn't blame me if I felt the same way about homo's then? I shouldn't be forced to work with one if I don't want to or make a cake for them either for that matter.

Why would I blame you? I'd think you were dumb since it didn't affect you or a child. Maybe that's why there is a law against it and not for pedos.

But we are talking about men who were born with an attraction to having sex with children but who have not actually even tried to have sex with a child, because they know it's wrong or whatever. IE men who have never harmed a child who simply want help in keeping it that way.

If it's ok for you to not work with someone, who has never hurt a child, that is a pedophile, then it should be ok for me to not work with someone, who has never hurt anyone, that is a homo.

Personally, if I felt the inclination to have sex with children, I'd kill myself. For real.

 

[Slyhunter]

hit him where it REALLY hurts

Hey Asclepias , since you shouldn't have to work with or serve pedophiles if you don't want to, what if I don't want to work with or serve blacks?

Get another job.

As I suspected you're too chickenshit to admit your hypocrisy.

Its not hypocrisy. If we were talking apples to apples I could see your point.

It is apples to apples. Either we can discriminate or we can't. Any law that says "only sometimes you can't discriminate" is unconstitutional as it affords special protections to SOME people.

For possibly the first time in your posting history, be honest and admit the truth.

Bullshit. Everyone discriminates. Some forms are legal and others are not. You discriminate when you choose to speak to some people and not to others. A person that is a pedo is potentially dangerous specifically to children. A Black person is not specifically dangerous to anyone. Its not apples to apples.

I think you are getting confused. If I didn't want to serve gay people for instance, I wouldn't but I would not whine about the consequences of my actions either.

Statistics has proven that a black person is more likely to commit a violent crime than a white person. So I'd be justified in discriminating against blacks for the same reason you discriminate against pedophiles who haven't, as of yet, harmed anyone.

 

[koshergrl]

Only if the blacks admitted they wanted to commit acts of violence. Your logic doesn't fly.

But that's nothing new.

 

[Slyhunter]

You want to exercise your right to choose your own associations but you're content to deny people the very same right to choose their own associations.

Sorry, life doesn't work that way, there are no special rules which apply only to you. Maybe you should get behind this notion "I disagree with what you say but I shall defend to the death your right to speak your mind" and substitute free association in place of free speech. This way everyone has the right to free association restored to them.

Until you support human rights, I will find happiness in the thought of you being forced to work alongside a pedophile. Just thinking about that forced association makes me smile.

Youre wrong. Life does work that way. If I caught a pedo he would not be long for this earth. Sorry to bust your bubble but you wont ever get to smile. i work for myself not someone else so I pick who I work with and when I work with them.

So you wouldn't blame me if I felt the same way about homo's then? I shouldn't be forced to work with one if I don't want to or make a cake for them either for that matter.

Why would I blame you? I'd think you were dumb since it didn't affect you or a child. Maybe that's why there is a law against it and not for pedos.

But we are talking about men who were born with an attraction to having sex with children but who have not actually even tried to have sex with a child, because they know it's wrong or whatever. IE men who have never harmed a child who simply want help in keeping it that way.

If it's ok for you to not work with someone, who has never hurt a child, that is a pedophile, then it should be ok for me to not work with someone, who has never hurt anyone, that is a homo.

Personally, if I felt the inclination to have sex with children, I'd kill myself. For real.

How about if you were attracted to men?
If you were my child I would disown you.

 

[koshergrl]

And I wouldn't hire a black man who was known to have anger issues.

Likewise, I wouldn't hire a man who is known to lust after little kids.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

To DIAGNOSE a pedophile without some evidence of child abuse is like trying to DIAGNOSE an alcoholic who's never had a weekly bender.. No patient history -- no disease.

DIAGNOSE. Here's the scene, a patient sitting in the psychologist's office:

Patient: "Doc, all of my sexual fantasies are focused on 10 year old boys. I know it's wrong, I always avoid being alone with children, I don't want to hurt any child, but when I'm alone I think about those naked boys and me on a desert island, blah blah blah. What can I do to stop fixating on naked 10 year old boys? Help me please.​

You're telling me that this guy is not a pedophile in your books?

This guy is a pedophile but he's not a child molester. Like the op-ed writer noted, pedophilia is a diagnosis, not a crime. Child abuse is the crime.

Let's handle the Last part first. The guy MAY BE a pedophile, but he's gonna be a child molester BEFORE he gets his official pedophile diploma when this "intervention" fails.

From the quotes got that posted about what TOOLS the shrink has to use we know ---

1) TALKING the guy out this state is futile.
2) The "doc" is NOT gonna escalate to chemical castration or sedation without shitloads of further evidence.
3) This is the BEGINNING of diagnosis and is insufficient to leap to conclusions.

What is this guys age, life situation, previous mental history?
What is the story of his sexual activity?
Has he obtained child porn or catalogued potential children for his own purposes?
Has he associated with OTHERS who have the same fantasies?
What OTHER fantasies might this person have?

All leading up to the assessment of what COMMITMENTS the person has made to start ILLEGAL activities associated with child abuse.

It COULD eventually lead to a diagnosis of pedophilia, but there is no meaningful treatment until there is an ACT or specific INTENT towards child abuse. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

My first thought wouldn't be pedophile due to highly specific nature of what he's attracted to. As in specificly 10 year old boys. I'd be thinking some kind of OCD before pedophilia.

Also being attracted and having fantasies isn't a problem. If we could read each other's minds what we all fantasize about would cause riots and the end of civilization. It's not what you fantasize about that's ever a problem, only what you do.

That's exactly what all the "pedophilia is a sexual orientation, let's not make them uncomfortable!" people claim!

You mean the people at Harvard?

 

[koshergrl]

Youre wrong. Life does work that way. If I caught a pedo he would not be long for this earth. Sorry to bust your bubble but you wont ever get to smile. i work for myself not someone else so I pick who I work with and when I work with them.

So you wouldn't blame me if I felt the same way about homo's then? I shouldn't be forced to work with one if I don't want to or make a cake for them either for that matter.

Why would I blame you? I'd think you were dumb since it didn't affect you or a child. Maybe that's why there is a law against it and not for pedos.

But we are talking about men who were born with an attraction to having sex with children but who have not actually even tried to have sex with a child, because they know it's wrong or whatever. IE men who have never harmed a child who simply want help in keeping it that way.

If it's ok for you to not work with someone, who has never hurt a child, that is a pedophile, then it should be ok for me to not work with someone, who has never hurt anyone, that is a homo.

Personally, if I felt the inclination to have sex with children, I'd kill myself. For real.

How about if you were attracted to men?
If you were my child I would disown you.

Well that's preferrable to the alternative, I imagine.