Paul Ryan denounces Trump challenge of electoral college certification:"It is difficult to conceive of a more anti-democratic & anti-conservative act"

[XponentialChaos]

I bet most of the people bashing Paul Ryan were supporters of his not too long ago.

Really shows how much the Republican party has changed in a very short amount of time. Bush, McCain, Romney, Paul Ryan, etc. I bet the conservatives here supported each of them.

 

[forkup]

election results can be discarded if the result doesn't suit you even

you mean like calling a halt to the vote counting simultaneously in six states, rushing in millions of fraudulent votes, then continuing to count? That kind of discarded election results?

I mean have an election, dispute that election through the courts, who shoot down all claims. Have the DOJ themself say there was no widespread fraud. Have manual recounts that don't change the results. Have all states certify the elction results.

After all those things still not accepting the results is ludicrous. I don't care what Kraken some people claim to have. There is a process that you can avail yourself too. That process has long since run its course.

What is being suggested now is simply to ignore the election results. And supporting that premise is simply aspiring to be an autocracy.

Whether this man or that man is in the White House for the next four years is a matter of no consequence compared to the permanent impact that radically transforming the people's view of the nation will have.

It isn't only the Trump supporter whose fundamental relationship with his own society has shifted. Democrats, too, have a new understanding of political power.

Everyone knows this election was not the robust functioning of a healthy democracy. Everyone knows there was massive voter fraud. Everyone knows there were severe irregularities. Everyone knows that Big Tech censored information unfavorable to the Dems. Everyone knows that the legacy media has presented all of Trump's accomplishments as failures, or given credit to others, or simply ignored them. Everyone knows that the media constantly portrayed Trump dishonestly. There are even a lot of people who quietly understand this election theft and treatment of Trump is a Hebrew tale.

It will never be the same America again for anyone. The source of power has changed. We will no longer ask whether a certain power is legitimate, we will ask, instead, what is its capacity to compel, what is its capacity to self-propagate, what is its capacity to sustain itself? These are now the most important political questions for Republicans and Democrats. That means there is no "aspiring" to autocracy. It's arrived. It's in the house. It's checking all the rooms, and securing the exits. Its name is Bolshevism. With one exception, it always wins.

Saying "everybody knows" and add Trump's talking points is not a good argument. Claiming there was election fraud is only accepted by a part of the Republicans, not by the courts, not by the DOJ, not even by the lawyers who filed election disputes. Only a few even claimed as much and NONE were successful.

The whole point that I was making is that YOU and Trump and some lawmakers are the only ones trying to suggest a new way to look at political power. A way that just so happens to be the way the Communist selected their leaders, not by elections but by the simple expediency of just decidimg leadership amongst themselves. Precisely what would happen if Pence would simply appoint electors.


You want to ignore the elections, ignore the courts that have made clear they where lawfull. The bipartisan election committees in the individual states, the DOJ and even the fact that hardly any suits claiming large scale election fraud where filed in the courts? Don't kid yourself. You are proposing autocracy.

 

[lennypartiv]

If Trump won the election when the real votes were counted, he should get a second term.

 

[Nosmo King]

Do you Trumpians really believe that any election you lose is an illegitimate election? Do you really believe that anyone who does not agree with you wholeheartedly is treasonous? Do you believe that your, I guess we'll call it 'ideology' is the exclusive way to govern the nation and any point of view that varies from it has no place in American politics? And do you believe that your way of viewing politics promotes a healthy democracy?

 

[Mac1958]

Ryan's an Evil Hitler Commie Deep State Swamp Chinese Nazi Fascist socialist now.

That what happens when you put country before party... Not a fan of his political views but I can see that he is an independent enough thinker to join a cult.

Yep. And it doesn't really take all that much thought.

This is about honesty more than anything else.

 

[jc456]

I bet most of the people bashing Paul Ryan were supporters of his not too long ago.

Really shows how much the Republican party has changed in a very short amount of time. Bush, McCain, Romney, Paul Ryan, etc. I bet the conservatives here supported each of them.

When a wolf appears you betcha. Ever hear the phrase? Con man

 

[jc456]

Ryan's an Evil Hitler Commie Deep State Swamp Chinese Nazi Fascist socialist now.

That what happens when you put country before party... Not a fan of his political views but I can see that he is an independent enough thinker to join a cult.

Yep. And it doesn't really take all that much thought.

This is about honesty more than anything else.

You have no idea about honesty

 

[Mac1958]

Ryan's an Evil Hitler Commie Deep State Swamp Chinese Nazi Fascist socialist now.

That what happens when you put country before party... Not a fan of his political views but I can see that he is an independent enough thinker to join a cult.

Yep. And it doesn't really take all that much thought.

This is about honesty more than anything else.

You have no idea about honesty

You're welcome to point out any lies. There must be many, for you to say that.

Funny, you guys never quote me when you claim this.

But, go ahead.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yeah, why did Paul Ryan retire so early?

 

[XponentialChaos]

I bet most of the people bashing Paul Ryan were supporters of his not too long ago.

Really shows how much the Republican party has changed in a very short amount of time. Bush, McCain, Romney, Paul Ryan, etc. I bet the conservatives here supported each of them.

When a wolf appears you betcha. Ever hear the phrase? Con man

Did you ever vote for them?

 

[jc456]

I bet most of the people bashing Paul Ryan were supporters of his not too long ago.

Really shows how much the Republican party has changed in a very short amount of time. Bush, McCain, Romney, Paul Ryan, etc. I bet the conservatives here supported each of them.

When a wolf appears you betcha. Ever hear the phrase? Con man

Did you ever vote for them?

Yep

 

[XponentialChaos]

I bet most of the people bashing Paul Ryan were supporters of his not too long ago.

Really shows how much the Republican party has changed in a very short amount of time. Bush, McCain, Romney, Paul Ryan, etc. I bet the conservatives here supported each of them.

When a wolf appears you betcha. Ever hear the phrase? Con man

Did you ever vote for them?

Yep

Thanks for admitting that you were conned. Probably numerous times.

You’re not too bright, are ya?

 

[jc456]

I bet most of the people bashing Paul Ryan were supporters of his not too long ago.

Really shows how much the Republican party has changed in a very short amount of time. Bush, McCain, Romney, Paul Ryan, etc. I bet the conservatives here supported each of them.

When a wolf appears you betcha. Ever hear the phrase? Con man

Did you ever vote for them?

Yep

Thanks for admitting that you were conned. Probably numerous times.

You’re not too bright, are ya?

So you accept the con? Gotcha

 

[2aguy]

Trump gave Paul Ryan the thing he had wanted for a lifetime: a comprehensive tax cut plan for corporate America. Now Ryan predictably opposes Trump’s position on irregularities around election. Impressive how Trump almost exclusively rewarded enemies during his tenure

Ex-GOP Speaker Ryan denounces effort to challenge Electoral College results

Former Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) on Sunday blasted Congressional Republicans’ efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election.“Efforts to reject the votes of the Electoral College and sow dou…

thehill.com

Hmmmm...Paul Ryan is an asshole and one of the big reasons the republican party is full of assholes...

 

[BluesLegend]

Paul Ryan is a big time RINO.

 

[XponentialChaos]

I bet most of the people bashing Paul Ryan were supporters of his not too long ago.

Really shows how much the Republican party has changed in a very short amount of time. Bush, McCain, Romney, Paul Ryan, etc. I bet the conservatives here supported each of them.

When a wolf appears you betcha. Ever hear the phrase? Con man

Did you ever vote for them?

Yep

Thanks for admitting that you were conned. Probably numerous times.

You’re not too bright, are ya?

So you accept the con? Gotcha

I didn’t say I voted for a conman.

 

[MarcATL]

Hi ATL!

Is it just me, or is that the most ignorant fuck on USMB?

lol.

But seriously, they're too numerous to mention.