Paul Ryan and Ayn Rand

[William Joyce]

Supposedly the queen of the objectivists, Ayn Rand, was a big influence on Paul Ryan in college. He has since distanced himself from her thinking. Rand championed uber-individualism over collectivism (she was actually Alice Rosenthal or something, a Russian-born Jew, I believe).

Does Ayn Rand have anything to contribute to modern policy? Is "self" the ultimate temporal reality?

 

[Intense]

I think She has a lot to offer. I think She also had limits.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, that is what he states. Does Ryan still require his staffers to read Rand? Bet that order still stands. A little information on Ayn Rand;

Romancing the Stone-Cold Killer: Ayn Rand and William Hickman | Michael Prescott

 

[Intense]

I don't think it hurts to read Rand at all. I find Her Novels a breath of fresh air.

 

[Vidi]

Ayn Rand has nothing at all to offer. Her philosophy Objectivism is the celebration of the sociopath, nothing more. In the end, she was just like every other fool who proclaims boldly that everyone must fend for themselves or be labeled parasite, she took government assistance...to pay for her medical treatments...for lung cancer...because she smoked.

When Ayn was found out, her lawyer said:

As Pryor said, "Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out" without the aid of these two government programs. Ayn took the bail out even though Ayn "despised government interference and felt that people should and could live independently... She didn't feel that an individual should take help."

But alas she did and said it was wrong for everyone else to do so.

http://boingboing.net/2011/01/28/ayn-rand-took-govern.html

Aint it great when the hypocrites are found out?




( and yes, I have read The Fountainhead, Atlas Shrugged and We, The Living. Ive read some of her non fiction as well as several books by her follower and one time lover, Nathaiel Branden.

Objectivism is a joke. )

 

[jasonnfree]

She's kind of like Rand Paul and Paul Ryan. All three taking government money and benefits while telling others it's evil because it steals from others.

Ayn Rand has nothing at all to offer. Her philosophy Objectivism is the celebration of the sociopath, nothing more. In the end, she was just like every other fool who proclaims boldly that everyone must fend for themselves or be labeled parasite, she took government assistance...to pay for her medical treatments...for lung cancer...because she smoked.

When Ayn was found out, her lawyer said:

As Pryor said, "Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out" without the aid of these two government programs. Ayn took the bail out even though Ayn "despised government interference and felt that people should and could live independently... She didn't feel that an individual should take help."

But alas she did and said it was wrong for everyone else to do so.

http://boingboing.net/2011/01/28/ayn-rand-took-govern.html

Aint it great when the hypocrites are found out?




( and yes, I have read The Fountainhead, Atlas Shrugged and We, The Living. Ive read some of her non fiction as well as several books by her follower and one time lover, Nathaiel Branden.

Objectivism is a joke. )

 

[Vidi]

She's kind of like Rand Paul and Paul Ryan. All three taking government money and benefits while telling others it's evil because it steals from others.

Ayn Rand has nothing at all to offer. Her philosophy Objectivism is the celebration of the sociopath, nothing more. In the end, she was just like every other fool who proclaims boldly that everyone must fend for themselves or be labeled parasite, she took government assistance...to pay for her medical treatments...for lung cancer...because she smoked.

When Ayn was found out, her lawyer said:

As Pryor said, "Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out" without the aid of these two government programs. Ayn took the bail out even though Ayn "despised government interference and felt that people should and could live independently... She didn't feel that an individual should take help."

But alas she did and said it was wrong for everyone else to do so.

Ayn Rand took government assistance while decrying others who did the same - Boing Boing

Aint it great when the hypocrites are found out?




( and yes, I have read The Fountainhead, Atlas Shrugged and We, The Living. Ive read some of her non fiction as well as several books by her follower and one time lover, Nathaiel Branden.

Objectivism is a joke. )

It IS evil to steal from others.

Asking that others not steal from you is not.

 

[Political Junky]

Ryan got his ass kicked regarding Ayn Rand a few months back. Listen to Ayn explain her feelings about abortion.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0yUjMklVuI]Ayn Rand on Abortion - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Political Junky]

Ryan got his ass kicked regarding Ayn Rand a few months back. Listen to Ayn explain her feelings about abortion.

Ayn Rand on Abortion - YouTube

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmW19uoyuO8]Paul Ryan on Ayn Rand - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Old Rocks]

Ryan got his ass kicked regarding Ayn Rand a few months back. Listen to Ayn explain her feelings about abortion.

Ayn Rand on Abortion - YouTube

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmW19uoyuO8]Paul Ryan on Ayn Rand - YouTube[/ame]

Then when called on this by the Catholic Bishops, said that he was an admirer St. Aguines. However, never has he required his staffers to read St. Aquinas as he has required them to read Ayn Rand. This is not a man I would want a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

 

[Synthaholic]

 

[Eaglewings]

 

[midcan5]

Personally Ayn Rand offers a view of existence so bleak and heartless one has to wonder at her popularity among many on the right. Whittaker Chambers sums her up in the link in the first URL below.

But the individual as the locus and lord of reality and modern life is a powerful meme in American thought. Only in America could a silly kind of Marxism Libertarianism exist. Americans exist in a sort of fantasy that says all this came about from me, Robinson Crusoe without Friday - without history. So yes, the nonsense Rand wrote serves to continue a myth of magic divorced from responsibility for each other. Odd in a nation that calls itself Christian. 'I got mine, tough for you.'

http://www.usmessageboard.com/clean...on-could-be-a-game-changer-2.html#post5810441
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/164072-ayn-rand-conservatives-tea-party-republicans.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/gener...ult-of-selfishness-on-the-american-right.html


"I was raised to be ashamed of my ignorance, and to try to do something about it if at all possible. I carry that burden to this day, and have successfully passed it on to my children. I don’t believe I have the right to an opinion about something I know nothing about—constitutional law, for example, or sailing—a notion that puts me sadly out of step with a growing majority of my countrymen, many of whom may be unable to tell you anything at all about Islam, say, or socialism, or climate change, except that they hate it, are against it, don’t believe in it. Worse still (or more amusing, depending on the day) are those who can tell you, and then offer up a stew of New Age blather, right-wing rant, and bloggers’ speculation that’s so divorced from actual, demonstrable fact, that’s so not true, as the kids would say, that the mind goes numb with wonder. “Way I see it is,” a man in the Tulsa Motel 6 swimming pool told me last summer, “if English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it’s good enough for us.” Mark Slouka 'Harper's'

 

[The Rabbi]

Supposedly the queen of the objectivists, Ayn Rand, was a big influence on Paul Ryan in college. He has since distanced himself from her thinking. Rand championed uber-individualism over collectivism (she was actually Alice Rosenthal or something, a Russian-born Jew, I believe).

Does Ayn Rand have anything to contribute to modern policy? Is "self" the ultimate temporal reality?

What does Rand's religion have to do with anything??

 

[Katzndogz]

She was anti communist and we can't have that in today's obamamerica.

 

[thanatos144]

Supposedly the queen of the objectivists, Ayn Rand, was a big influence on Paul Ryan in college. He has since distanced himself from her thinking. Rand championed uber-individualism over collectivism (she was actually Alice Rosenthal or something, a Russian-born Jew, I believe).

Does Ayn Rand have anything to contribute to modern policy? Is "self" the ultimate temporal reality?

Have you read atlas shrugged or are you just basing your stupidity on shit you learn from truthprogress? Ryan has stated he found the books extremely helpful and it got him interested in economics...He also stated as I saw yesterday on Fox they he found her personal philosophy on things like religion not to his taste....So unlike mindless zombie progressives he is able to take things that makes sense and learn from them and at the same time be able to separate them from the things that didnt.

I think maybe you need to actually know what you talking about before you try dismantling a man.

 

[Katzndogz]

Libs should shut up about Ayn Rand or they run the risk of instigating curiosity so that more might read her books and change their minds about an over reaching government.

 

[thanatos144]

Libs should shut up about Ayn Rand or they run the risk of instigating curiosity so that more might read her books and change their minds about an over reaching government.

They keep mixing up Her with what she wrote.....You can tell none of them ever read what she wrote.

 

[Katzndogz]

Libs should shut up about Ayn Rand or they run the risk of instigating curiosity so that more might read her books and change their minds about an over reaching government.

They keep mixing up Her with what she wrote.....You can tell none of them ever read what she wrote.

I read Ayn Rand. I got the books from the library. Like Paul Ryan, her philosophies made a big impression on me. That's how I ended up with a law degree instead of a welfare check.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I think She has a lot to offer. I think She also had limits.

I wonder if Ryan indicates she is some sort of deity by capitalizing the first letter of a pronoun that refers to her. As I understand it, he no longer requires his staff read her books. Nonetheless, he's a fruitcake for basing so much of his life on a writer of bad fiction.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
Jonathan Chait