Patriots Super Bowl ring

[HUGGY]

In response to OLDSTYLE

Russell Wilson has emerged from first stepping on a Seahawk field as the clear leader of the team on and off the playing surface. He has the highest respect from his team mates. If they are foolish enough individually to believe that the team would be just as successful if Wilson was on another team then the Hawks are better off without them IMHO. There is no player on the Hawks team that is more valuable to the team's success than Russell Wilson. Not Lynch or Sherman or anyone.

That isn't what happened. What DID happen was a hack reporter asked Rogers, Wilson's agent, if he will deny expecting Wilson to get the highest paid contract. Rogers had no comment. That is clearly NOT the same thing as Rogers demanding to the Seahawks that Russell Wilson get the highest contract. No comment means NOTHING.

I'm not at all worried about Wilson getting paid and the Seahawks having to do what they can to maintain a top tier football team.

Having a great QB is obviously a two-sided coin. Every team would love to find a diamond in the rough but it rarely happens. NE was lucky having Brady who many thought was not all that when he was drafted. The Patriots managed to keep enough players to win several SBs. John Schneider is one of the best GMs in the NFL. He has managed to put together a pretty good team for Carroll to take out on the field. Now he has to pay the piper for the teams success. Wilson will get paid. How much? Who knows. It will be enough to get his signature on a contract.

As the Seahawks look towards the future they can count on one ...maybe two more years of Marshawn Lynch. Wilson could be a Seahawk for ten or more years if he continues to evade injury. Why would a team give up a proven winner like Wilson? Because they couldn't sign a long term contract to Bobby Wagner? Bye Bye Bobby..is all I can say to that. What's harder to find? A QB with Wilson's skills or a good middle linebacker?

A decent to elite QB in the NFL typically gets 18 % of the teams cap. I predict Wilson will get that. He, in his first three years, is the winning-est QB that has ever stepped on an NFL field in it's history. How can he NOT get paid?

In the final analysis what is the value a player brings to a team? Personal stats or trips to the big show?

I would bet dollars to donuts that Peyton Manning and John Elway would trade Peyton's record breaking stats of two years ago for that ring that Wilson is sporting from SB 48.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

ooops wrong thread.thought i was posting on my Rams thread.deleted post.

 

[Oldstyle]

No matter how hard you try to derail this thread what remains is that the Patriots were fined a million bucks and several high draft picks for their role in Deflategate. As is stands today your hero Tom Brady was levied a 4 game suspension for his role in Deflategate. Although, his suspension may be reduced or reversed he will always be known as a cheater and a liar.

The bright side is that with the recent Supreme Court ruling you can keep that candle lit in the window for Brady. He may find you and fulfill all your secret wishes.

Grow up, Alex.

Get sober Chris

Fortunately for me, I'm always sober. This is just another example of you showing your ignorance and childishness. Grow up. This is why you can't find a woman!

It's not that Phallics can't find one, Chris...the problem is they won't stay with him because all he wants to talk about is Tom Brady's balls! That and "secret wishes".

LOL Fail OFS You have shown here many times that you are the USMB FLUFFER for Tom Brady.

Gee, Phallics...why is it that YOU keep bringing up "FLUFFER" and Tom Brady? That seems to be something that's preoccupying your mind. Sometimes the only way to deal with a problem is to admit that you have one.
In your case...you can't stop thinking about Tom's banana...

 

[Oldstyle]

In response to OLDSTYLE

Russell Wilson has emerged from first stepping on a Seahawk field as the clear leader of the team on and off the playing surface. He has the highest respect from his team mates. If they are foolish enough individually to believe that the team would be just as successful if Wilson was on another team then the Hawks are better off without them IMHO. There is no player on the Hawks team that is more valuable to the team's success than Russell Wilson. Not Lynch or Sherman or anyone.

That isn't what happened. What DID happen was a hack reporter asked Rogers, Wilson's agent, if he will deny expecting Wilson to get the highest paid contract. Rogers had no comment. That is clearly NOT the same thing as Rogers demanding to the Seahawks that Russell Wilson get the highest contract. No comment means NOTHING.

I'm not at all worried about Wilson getting paid and the Seahawks having to do what they can to maintain a top tier football team.

Having a great QB is obviously a two-sided coin. Every team would love to find a diamond in the rough but it rarely happens. NE was lucky having Brady who many thought was not all that when he was drafted. The Patriots managed to keep enough players to win several SBs. John Schneider is one of the best GMs in the NFL. He has managed to put together a pretty good team for Carroll to take out on the field. Now he has to pay the piper for the teams success. Wilson will get paid. How much? Who knows. It will be enough to get his signature on a contract.

As the Seahawks look towards the future they can count on one ...maybe two more years of Marshawn Lynch. Wilson could be a Seahawk for ten or more years if he continues to evade injury. Why would a team give up a proven winner like Wilson? Because they couldn't sign a long term contract to Bobby Wagner? Bye Bye Bobby..is all I can say to that. What's harder to find? A QB with Wilson's skills or a good middle linebacker?

A decent to elite QB in the NFL typically gets 18 % of the teams cap. I predict Wilson will get that. He, in his first three years, is the winning-est QB that has ever stepped on an NFL field in it's history. How can he NOT get paid?

In the final analysis what is the value a player brings to a team? Personal stats or trips to the big show?

I would bet dollars to donuts that Peyton Manning and John Elway would trade Peyton's record breaking stats of two years ago for that ring that Wilson is sporting from SB 48.

I tend to disagree with you about Peyton Manning, Huggy...I have the utmost respect for Manning but he always made sure that he got paid top dollar. He didn't take less money so that the Colts could keep other players like Brady did even though Manning was pulling an awful lot more money from endorsements than Brady was.

I'm curious to see what it is that Wilson and his agent ask for. If it's top QB money...which I can't argue that Wilson doesn't deserve...then the Seahawks are going to have to shed some other high priced players in order to stay under the cap. Unfortunately that's the modern NFL. It's what's made the 15 year run by the Patriots so impressive because they HAVE shed players and kept right on winning. We'll have to see if the Seahawks can do the same.

 

[Alex.]

Grow up, Alex.

Get sober Chris

Fortunately for me, I'm always sober. This is just another example of you showing your ignorance and childishness. Grow up. This is why you can't find a woman!

It's not that Phallics can't find one, Chris...the problem is they won't stay with him because all he wants to talk about is Tom Brady's balls! That and "secret wishes".

LOL Fail OFS You have shown here many times that you are the USMB FLUFFER for Tom Brady.

Gee, Phallics...why is it that YOU keep bringing up "FLUFFER" and Tom Brady? That seems to be something that's preoccupying your mind. Sometimes the only way to deal with a problem is to admit that you have one.
In your case...you can't stop thinking about Tom's banana...

Banana? You are really working overtime on this to no avail. Another day, another meltdown.

 

[Oldstyle]

Get sober Chris

Fortunately for me, I'm always sober. This is just another example of you showing your ignorance and childishness. Grow up. This is why you can't find a woman!

It's not that Phallics can't find one, Chris...the problem is they won't stay with him because all he wants to talk about is Tom Brady's balls! That and "secret wishes".

LOL Fail OFS You have shown here many times that you are the USMB FLUFFER for Tom Brady.

Gee, Phallics...why is it that YOU keep bringing up "FLUFFER" and Tom Brady? That seems to be something that's preoccupying your mind. Sometimes the only way to deal with a problem is to admit that you have one.
In your case...you can't stop thinking about Tom's banana...

Banana? You are really working overtime on this to no avail. Another day, another meltdown.

It's a Freudian thing, Phallics...which means it's probably over your head. The fact is...every time you start talking about Tom Brady...you seem fixated on his genitals and some strange "secret wishes" thing that I'm pretty sure I don't want to know anything about!

 

[HUGGY]

In response to OLDSTYLE

Russell Wilson has emerged from first stepping on a Seahawk field as the clear leader of the team on and off the playing surface. He has the highest respect from his team mates. If they are foolish enough individually to believe that the team would be just as successful if Wilson was on another team then the Hawks are better off without them IMHO. There is no player on the Hawks team that is more valuable to the team's success than Russell Wilson. Not Lynch or Sherman or anyone.

That isn't what happened. What DID happen was a hack reporter asked Rogers, Wilson's agent, if he will deny expecting Wilson to get the highest paid contract. Rogers had no comment. That is clearly NOT the same thing as Rogers demanding to the Seahawks that Russell Wilson get the highest contract. No comment means NOTHING.

I'm not at all worried about Wilson getting paid and the Seahawks having to do what they can to maintain a top tier football team.

Having a great QB is obviously a two-sided coin. Every team would love to find a diamond in the rough but it rarely happens. NE was lucky having Brady who many thought was not all that when he was drafted. The Patriots managed to keep enough players to win several SBs. John Schneider is one of the best GMs in the NFL. He has managed to put together a pretty good team for Carroll to take out on the field. Now he has to pay the piper for the teams success. Wilson will get paid. How much? Who knows. It will be enough to get his signature on a contract.

As the Seahawks look towards the future they can count on one ...maybe two more years of Marshawn Lynch. Wilson could be a Seahawk for ten or more years if he continues to evade injury. Why would a team give up a proven winner like Wilson? Because they couldn't sign a long term contract to Bobby Wagner? Bye Bye Bobby..is all I can say to that. What's harder to find? A QB with Wilson's skills or a good middle linebacker?

A decent to elite QB in the NFL typically gets 18 % of the teams cap. I predict Wilson will get that. He, in his first three years, is the winning-est QB that has ever stepped on an NFL field in it's history. How can he NOT get paid?

In the final analysis what is the value a player brings to a team? Personal stats or trips to the big show?

I would bet dollars to donuts that Peyton Manning and John Elway would trade Peyton's record breaking stats of two years ago for that ring that Wilson is sporting from SB 48.

I tend to disagree with you about Peyton Manning, Huggy...I have the utmost respect for Manning but he always made sure that he got paid top dollar. He didn't take less money so that the Colts could keep other players like Brady did even though Manning was pulling an awful lot more money from endorsements than Brady was.

I'm curious to see what it is that Wilson and his agent ask for. If it's top QB monolsey...which I can't argue that Wilson doesn't deserve...then the Seahawks are going to have to shed some other high priced players in order to stay under the cap. Unfortunately that's the modern NFL. It's what's made the 15 year run by the Patriots so impressive because they HAVE shed players and kept right on winning. We'll have to see if the Seahawks can do the same.

Maybe true about Manning. I don't follow the East coast teams nearly as closely as you do.

I think the sports world is making more of this Wilson deal than is really going on here. I have to admit that it has the potential ingredients for a controversy but the players involved are all down to earth people that have acted responsibly in past circumstances.

Rogers has stated that Wilson is prepared to play out the rookie agreement of 1.5 million. That isn't a threat. It is what was agreed to when Russell became a Seahawk. There is no reason why the Hawks need to tear up the old contract. It is what it is. There is NO DEADLINE this season to give Wilson a new deal before his old deal expires.

The press is acting like Wilson is OWED a new deal then talking out of the other side of their mouths speculate that he is greedy and doesn't really care about the teams best interests if he demands top money. This media speculation thing isn't being generated in Renton at the VMAC.

What cracks me up is that the national media NFL pundits call Wilson a mediocre game manager most of the time and now all of a sudden he should be demanding the highest paid contract a whole year before his current one expires. AND when Rogers fails to deny some wild speculation by a hack writer it is twisted into gospel that Wilson has thrown down the gauntlet.

Poppycock! If this thing goes on until this time next season nothing has changed that isn't already in writing and agreed to. Wilson will get a great new deal. It may just not be this year and no one's feelings should be hurt if that's how it plays out.

 

[Oldstyle]

In response to OLDSTYLE

Russell Wilson has emerged from first stepping on a Seahawk field as the clear leader of the team on and off the playing surface. He has the highest respect from his team mates. If they are foolish enough individually to believe that the team would be just as successful if Wilson was on another team then the Hawks are better off without them IMHO. There is no player on the Hawks team that is more valuable to the team's success than Russell Wilson. Not Lynch or Sherman or anyone.

That isn't what happened. What DID happen was a hack reporter asked Rogers, Wilson's agent, if he will deny expecting Wilson to get the highest paid contract. Rogers had no comment. That is clearly NOT the same thing as Rogers demanding to the Seahawks that Russell Wilson get the highest contract. No comment means NOTHING.

I'm not at all worried about Wilson getting paid and the Seahawks having to do what they can to maintain a top tier football team.

Having a great QB is obviously a two-sided coin. Every team would love to find a diamond in the rough but it rarely happens. NE was lucky having Brady who many thought was not all that when he was drafted. The Patriots managed to keep enough players to win several SBs. John Schneider is one of the best GMs in the NFL. He has managed to put together a pretty good team for Carroll to take out on the field. Now he has to pay the piper for the teams success. Wilson will get paid. How much? Who knows. It will be enough to get his signature on a contract.

As the Seahawks look towards the future they can count on one ...maybe two more years of Marshawn Lynch. Wilson could be a Seahawk for ten or more years if he continues to evade injury. Why would a team give up a proven winner like Wilson? Because they couldn't sign a long term contract to Bobby Wagner? Bye Bye Bobby..is all I can say to that. What's harder to find? A QB with Wilson's skills or a good middle linebacker?

A decent to elite QB in the NFL typically gets 18 % of the teams cap. I predict Wilson will get that. He, in his first three years, is the winning-est QB that has ever stepped on an NFL field in it's history. How can he NOT get paid?

In the final analysis what is the value a player brings to a team? Personal stats or trips to the big show?

I would bet dollars to donuts that Peyton Manning and John Elway would trade Peyton's record breaking stats of two years ago for that ring that Wilson is sporting from SB 48.

I tend to disagree with you about Peyton Manning, Huggy...I have the utmost respect for Manning but he always made sure that he got paid top dollar. He didn't take less money so that the Colts could keep other players like Brady did even though Manning was pulling an awful lot more money from endorsements than Brady was.

I'm curious to see what it is that Wilson and his agent ask for. If it's top QB monolsey...which I can't argue that Wilson doesn't deserve...then the Seahawks are going to have to shed some other high priced players in order to stay under the cap. Unfortunately that's the modern NFL. It's what's made the 15 year run by the Patriots so impressive because they HAVE shed players and kept right on winning. We'll have to see if the Seahawks can do the same.

Maybe true about Manning. I don't follow the East coast teams nearly as closely as you do.

I think the sports world is making more of this Wilson deal than is really going on here. I have to admit that it has the potential ingredients for a controversy but the players involved are all down to earth people that have acted responsibly in past circumstances.

Rogers has stated that Wilson is prepared to play out the rookie agreement of 1.5 million. That isn't a threat. It is what was agreed to when Russell became a Seahawk. There is no reason why the Hawks need to tear up the old contract. It is what it is. There is NO DEADLINE this season to give Wilson a new deal before his old deal expires.

The press is acting like Wilson is OWED a new deal then talking out of the other side of their mouths speculate that he is greedy and doesn't really care about the teams best interests if he demands top money. This media speculation thing isn't being generated in Renton at the VMAC.

What cracks me up is that the national media NFL pundits call Wilson a mediocre game manager most of the time and now all of a sudden he should be demanding the highest paid contract a whole year before his current one expires. AND when Rogers fails to deny some wild speculation by a hack writer it is twisted into gospel that Wilson has thrown down the gauntlet.

Poppycock! If this thing goes on until this time next season nothing has changed that isn't already in writing and agreed to. Wilson will get a great new deal. It may just not be this year and no one's feelings should be hurt if that's how it plays out.

Not "maybe true" about Manning, Huggy...it's gospel. When he came in as a rookie it was the largest rookie contract in NFL history. When he signed his next contract to keep him in Indy it made him the highest paid player in NFL history. Peyton ALWAYS got paid!

What you should worry about with Wilson is what will happen if no deal IS reached before his current contract expires! Teams generally nail down a long term contract with star players well before the end of their rookie contract because they don't want to risk losing them to free agency nor do they want to get caught up in a "bidding war" with another team who wants to steal their quarterback. The Seahawks could slap the Franchise tag on Wilson to put that off by another year but that risks pissing off their best player and making it even more expensive to sign him a year later. To be quite honest with you, Wilson has never struck me as money hungry as Peyton Manning but you never know about "feelings" and how a player will respond to the business side of the NFL. A lot of it has to do with who Wilson has as his agent. It's interesting to note that he changed agents not too long ago.

“At the end of the day I trust the process,” Wilson said of contract negotiations with the Seahawks, via the “The Adam and Joe Show” on 99.9 The Fan. “I know God’s going to take me and put me where he wants to have me. I hope that’s Seattle. I love it there, it’s a great place. But I’ve also gone through the ups and downs and been moved around before. I loved N.C. State and loved playing there and then having to go somewhere else and start new.

“I ultimately, I know mentally and physically and spiritually I’m prepared for whatever. Every day I’m going to go to work. I’m not the kind of person that’s going to hold out or do any of that, because I want to be the best player I can be. I want to try to improve on the field.”

I would stipulate that Wilson would REALLY like to stay in Seattle. In the end however...it comes down to what the Seahawks are willing to guarantee him in a new contract. If he goes to free agency there are any number of teams out there who would be salivating to steal Wilson away from Seattle. Think Jerry Jones wouldn't pull the trigger on a huge contract if Tony Romo got hurt again? Bottom line is that it's going to cost Seattle a lot of money to keep Wilson and they're going to have to make up that money with cuts elsewhere...it's the way things work in the salary cap era.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

someone farted in here.^

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Get sober Chris

Fortunately for me, I'm always sober. This is just another example of you showing your ignorance and childishness. Grow up. This is why you can't find a woman!

It's not that Phallics can't find one, Chris...the problem is they won't stay with him because all he wants to talk about is Tom Brady's balls! That and "secret wishes".

LOL Fail OFS You have shown here many times that you are the USMB FLUFFER for Tom Brady.

Gee, Phallics...why is it that YOU keep bringing up "FLUFFER" and Tom Brady? That seems to be something that's preoccupying your mind. Sometimes the only way to deal with a problem is to admit that you have one.
In your case...you can't stop thinking about Tom's banana...

Banana? You are really working overtime on this to no avail. Another day, another meltdown.

yep, all he does is show that he goes into meltdown mode when confronted by pesky little facts he cant handle or counter.

 

[HUGGY]

In response to OLDSTYLE

Russell Wilson has emerged from first stepping on a Seahawk field as the clear leader of the team on and off the playing surface. He has the highest respect from his team mates. If they are foolish enough individually to believe that the team would be just as successful if Wilson was on another team then the Hawks are better off without them IMHO. There is no player on the Hawks team that is more valuable to the team's success than Russell Wilson. Not Lynch or Sherman or anyone.

That isn't what happened. What DID happen was a hack reporter asked Rogers, Wilson's agent, if he will deny expecting Wilson to get the highest paid contract. Rogers had no comment. That is clearly NOT the same thing as Rogers demanding to the Seahawks that Russell Wilson get the highest contract. No comment means NOTHING.

I'm not at all worried about Wilson getting paid and the Seahawks having to do what they can to maintain a top tier football team.

Having a great QB is obviously a two-sided coin. Every team would love to find a diamond in the rough but it rarely happens. NE was lucky having Brady who many thought was not all that when he was drafted. The Patriots managed to keep enough players to win several SBs. John Schneider is one of the best GMs in the NFL. He has managed to put together a pretty good team for Carroll to take out on the field. Now he has to pay the piper for the teams success. Wilson will get paid. How much? Who knows. It will be enough to get his signature on a contract.

As the Seahawks look towards the future they can count on one ...maybe two more years of Marshawn Lynch. Wilson could be a Seahawk for ten or more years if he continues to evade injury. Why would a team give up a proven winner like Wilson? Because they couldn't sign a long term contract to Bobby Wagner? Bye Bye Bobby..is all I can say to that. What's harder to find? A QB with Wilson's skills or a good middle linebacker?

A decent to elite QB in the NFL typically gets 18 % of the teams cap. I predict Wilson will get that. He, in his first three years, is the winning-est QB that has ever stepped on an NFL field in it's history. How can he NOT get paid?

In the final analysis what is the value a player brings to a team? Personal stats or trips to the big show?

I would bet dollars to donuts that Peyton Manning and John Elway would trade Peyton's record breaking stats of two years ago for that ring that Wilson is sporting from SB 48.

I tend to disagree with you about Peyton Manning, Huggy...I have the utmost respect for Manning but he always made sure that he got paid top dollar. He didn't take less money so that the Colts could keep other players like Brady did even though Manning was pulling an awful lot more money from endorsements than Brady was.

I'm curious to see what it is that Wilson and his agent ask for. If it's top QB monolsey...which I can't argue that Wilson doesn't deserve...then the Seahawks are going to have to shed some other high priced players in order to stay under the cap. Unfortunately that's the modern NFL. It's what's made the 15 year run by the Patriots so impressive because they HAVE shed players and kept right on winning. We'll have to see if the Seahawks can do the same.

Maybe true about Manning. I don't follow the East coast teams nearly as closely as you do.

I think the sports world is making more of this Wilson deal than is really going on here. I have to admit that it has the potential ingredients for a controversy but the players involved are all down to earth people that have acted responsibly in past circumstances.

Rogers has stated that Wilson is prepared to play out the rookie agreement of 1.5 million. That isn't a threat. It is what was agreed to when Russell became a Seahawk. There is no reason why the Hawks need to tear up the old contract. It is what it is. There is NO DEADLINE this season to give Wilson a new deal before his old deal expires.

The press is acting like Wilson is OWED a new deal then talking out of the other side of their mouths speculate that he is greedy and doesn't really care about the teams best interests if he demands top money. This media speculation thing isn't being generated in Renton at the VMAC.

What cracks me up is that the national media NFL pundits call Wilson a mediocre game manager most of the time and now all of a sudden he should be demanding the highest paid contract a whole year before his current one expires. AND when Rogers fails to deny some wild speculation by a hack writer it is twisted into gospel that Wilson has thrown down the gauntlet.

Poppycock! If this thing goes on until this time next season nothing has changed that isn't already in writing and agreed to. Wilson will get a great new deal. It may just not be this year and no one's feelings should be hurt if that's how it plays out.

Not "maybe true" about Manning, Huggy...it's gospel. When he came in as a rookie it was the largest rookie contract in NFL history. When he signed his next contract to keep him in Indy it made him the highest paid player in NFL history. Peyton ALWAYS got paid!

What you should worry about with Wilson is what will happen if no deal IS reached before his current contract expires! Teams generally nail down a long term contract with star players well before the end of their rookie contract because they don't want to risk losing them to free agency nor do they want to get caught up in a "bidding war" with another team who wants to steal their quarterback. The Seahawks could slap the Franchise tag on Wilson to put that off by another year but that risks pissing off their best player and making it even more expensive to sign him a year later. To be quite honest with you, Wilson has never struck me as money hungry as Peyton Manning but you never know about "feelings" and how a player will respond to the business side of the NFL. A lot of it has to do with who Wilson has as his agent. It's interesting to note that he changed agents not too long ago.

“At the end of the day I trust the process,” Wilson said of contract negotiations with the Seahawks, via the “The Adam and Joe Show” on 99.9 The Fan. “I know God’s going to take me and put me where he wants to have me. I hope that’s Seattle. I love it there, it’s a great place. But I’ve also gone through the ups and downs and been moved around before. I loved N.C. State and loved playing there and then having to go somewhere else and start new.

“I ultimately, I know mentally and physically and spiritually I’m prepared for whatever. Every day I’m going to go to work. I’m not the kind of person that’s going to hold out or do any of that, because I want to be the best player I can be. I want to try to improve on the field.”

I would stipulate that Wilson would REALLY like to stay in Seattle. In the end however...it comes down to what the Seahawks are willing to guarantee him in a new contract. If he goes to free agency there are any number of teams out there who would be salivating to steal Wilson away from Seattle. Think Jerry Jones wouldn't pull the trigger on a huge contract if Tony Romo got hurt again? Bottom line is that it's going to cost Seattle a lot of money to keep Wilson and they're going to have to make up that money with cuts elsewhere...it's the way things work in the salary cap era.

I have a sense that Peyton's dad had a hand in offering him the advice to "get all he could" as he had experience in the NFL and was well aware of the pitfalls of not looking out for numeo uno. Clearly it's a business.

The Seahawks have probably gone to the well enough times arguing that Wilson's draft at 76th in the third round is what has kept him from receiving the just fruits from what he has produced.

I'm sure on a different team and a player of a different character makeup combined with an aggressive agent we would have seen a QB with Wilson's winning record already re-signed at the true value or better based on his results on the field.

So what has Seattle done to make Wilson feel like he is appreciated? Well? They went out on a limb and took Harvin from the Vikings.. the limb broke off. Harvin was supposed to give Russell that added dimension in the backfield and in the passing game with those extended plays Russell likes to go off on. The Harvin fiasco cost the Hawks a bundle. Now they have doubled down on trying to give Russell a weapon that by his shear size and speed cannot be covered by any one player and that is Jimmy Graham at 10 million a year. So It's not like the Seahawks are being cheap attempting to give Wilson every opportunity to succeed.

If I was Russell Wilson I would just play out this season at 1.5 million. No bad feelings either. That's because I'm sure he believes for good reason that the Seahawks will be back in the SB AGAIN and imagine what a three time successive Super Bowl QB will be worth. He won't have to argue that he is the most valuable QB in the NFL at that point.

Wilson has been working on his leg speed this off season and claims to be much speedier than previously. Are we looking at a QB that will improve on his nearly 900 yards rushing to go with better red zone success with lobs to the unstoppable Graham in the end zones? Ya..probably.

If Wilson guides the Hawks to another ring any contract he gets next spring will more than make up for what he could have received this off season.

 

[Papageorgio]

ooops wrong thread.thought i was posting on my Rams thread.deleted post.

Idiot

 

[Papageorgio]

In response to OLDSTYLE

Russell Wilson has emerged from first stepping on a Seahawk field as the clear leader of the team on and off the playing surface. He has the highest respect from his team mates. If they are foolish enough individually to believe that the team would be just as successful if Wilson was on another team then the Hawks are better off without them IMHO. There is no player on the Hawks team that is more valuable to the team's success than Russell Wilson. Not Lynch or Sherman or anyone.

That isn't what happened. What DID happen was a hack reporter asked Rogers, Wilson's agent, if he will deny expecting Wilson to get the highest paid contract. Rogers had no comment. That is clearly NOT the same thing as Rogers demanding to the Seahawks that Russell Wilson get the highest contract. No comment means NOTHING.

I'm not at all worried about Wilson getting paid and the Seahawks having to do what they can to maintain a top tier football team.

Having a great QB is obviously a two-sided coin. Every team would love to find a diamond in the rough but it rarely happens. NE was lucky having Brady who many thought was not all that when he was drafted. The Patriots managed to keep enough players to win several SBs. John Schneider is one of the best GMs in the NFL. He has managed to put together a pretty good team for Carroll to take out on the field. Now he has to pay the piper for the teams success. Wilson will get paid. How much? Who knows. It will be enough to get his signature on a contract.

As the Seahawks look towards the future they can count on one ...maybe two more years of Marshawn Lynch. Wilson could be a Seahawk for ten or more years if he continues to evade injury. Why would a team give up a proven winner like Wilson? Because they couldn't sign a long term contract to Bobby Wagner? Bye Bye Bobby..is all I can say to that. What's harder to find? A QB with Wilson's skills or a good middle linebacker?

A decent to elite QB in the NFL typically gets 18 % of the teams cap. I predict Wilson will get that. He, in his first three years, is the winning-est QB that has ever stepped on an NFL field in it's history. How can he NOT get paid?

In the final analysis what is the value a player brings to a team? Personal stats or trips to the big show?

I would bet dollars to donuts that Peyton Manning and John Elway would trade Peyton's record breaking stats of two years ago for that ring that Wilson is sporting from SB 48.

I tend to disagree with you about Peyton Manning, Huggy...I have the utmost respect for Manning but he always made sure that he got paid top dollar. He didn't take less money so that the Colts could keep other players like Brady did even though Manning was pulling an awful lot more money from endorsements than Brady was.

I'm curious to see what it is that Wilson and his agent ask for. If it's top QB monolsey...which I can't argue that Wilson doesn't deserve...then the Seahawks are going to have to shed some other high priced players in order to stay under the cap. Unfortunately that's the modern NFL. It's what's made the 15 year run by the Patriots so impressive because they HAVE shed players and kept right on winning. We'll have to see if the Seahawks can do the same.

Maybe true about Manning. I don't follow the East coast teams nearly as closely as you do.

I think the sports world is making more of this Wilson deal than is really going on here. I have to admit that it has the potential ingredients for a controversy but the players involved are all down to earth people that have acted responsibly in past circumstances.

Rogers has stated that Wilson is prepared to play out the rookie agreement of 1.5 million. That isn't a threat. It is what was agreed to when Russell became a Seahawk. There is no reason why the Hawks need to tear up the old contract. It is what it is. There is NO DEADLINE this season to give Wilson a new deal before his old deal expires.

The press is acting like Wilson is OWED a new deal then talking out of the other side of their mouths speculate that he is greedy and doesn't really care about the teams best interests if he demands top money. This media speculation thing isn't being generated in Renton at the VMAC.

What cracks me up is that the national media NFL pundits call Wilson a mediocre game manager most of the time and now all of a sudden he should be demanding the highest paid contract a whole year before his current one expires. AND when Rogers fails to deny some wild speculation by a hack writer it is twisted into gospel that Wilson has thrown down the gauntlet.

Poppycock! If this thing goes on until this time next season nothing has changed that isn't already in writing and agreed to. Wilson will get a great new deal. It may just not be this year and no one's feelings should be hurt if that's how it plays out.

Not "maybe true" about Manning, Huggy...it's gospel. When he came in as a rookie it was the largest rookie contract in NFL history. When he signed his next contract to keep him in Indy it made him the highest paid player in NFL history. Peyton ALWAYS got paid!

What you should worry about with Wilson is what will happen if no deal IS reached before his current contract expires! Teams generally nail down a long term contract with star players well before the end of their rookie contract because they don't want to risk losing them to free agency nor do they want to get caught up in a "bidding war" with another team who wants to steal their quarterback. The Seahawks could slap the Franchise tag on Wilson to put that off by another year but that risks pissing off their best player and making it even more expensive to sign him a year later. To be quite honest with you, Wilson has never struck me as money hungry as Peyton Manning but you never know about "feelings" and how a player will respond to the business side of the NFL. A lot of it has to do with who Wilson has as his agent. It's interesting to note that he changed agents not too long ago.

“At the end of the day I trust the process,” Wilson said of contract negotiations with the Seahawks, via the “The Adam and Joe Show” on 99.9 The Fan. “I know God’s going to take me and put me where he wants to have me. I hope that’s Seattle. I love it there, it’s a great place. But I’ve also gone through the ups and downs and been moved around before. I loved N.C. State and loved playing there and then having to go somewhere else and start new.

“I ultimately, I know mentally and physically and spiritually I’m prepared for whatever. Every day I’m going to go to work. I’m not the kind of person that’s going to hold out or do any of that, because I want to be the best player I can be. I want to try to improve on the field.”

I would stipulate that Wilson would REALLY like to stay in Seattle. In the end however...it comes down to what the Seahawks are willing to guarantee him in a new contract. If he goes to free agency there are any number of teams out there who would be salivating to steal Wilson away from Seattle. Think Jerry Jones wouldn't pull the trigger on a huge contract if Tony Romo got hurt again? Bottom line is that it's going to cost Seattle a lot of money to keep Wilson and they're going to have to make up that money with cuts elsewhere...it's the way things work in the salary cap era.

I have a sense that Peyton's dad had a hand in offering him the advice to "get all he could" as he had experience in the NFL and was well aware of the pitfalls of not looking out for numeo uno. Clearly it's a business.

The Seahawks have probably gone to the well enough times arguing that Wilson's draft at 76th in the third round is what has kept him from receiving the just fruits from what he has produced.

I'm sure on a different team and a player of a different character makeup combined with an aggressive agent we would have seen a QB with Wilson's winning record already re-signed at the true value or better based on his results on the field.

So what has Seattle done to make Wilson feel like he is appreciated? Well? They went out on a limb and took Harvin from the Vikings.. the limb broke off. Harvin was supposed to give Russell that added dimension in the backfield and in the passing game with those extended plays Russell likes to go off on. The Harvin fiasco cost the Hawks a bundle. Now they have doubled down on trying to give Russell a weapon that by his shear size and speed cannot be covered by any one player and that is Jimmy Graham at 10 million a year. So It's not like the Seahawks are being cheap attempting to give Wilson every opportunity to succeed.

If I was Russell Wilson I would just play out this season at 1.5 million. No bad feelings either. That's because I'm sure he believes for good reason that the Seahawks will be back in the SB AGAIN and imagine what a three time successive Super Bowl QB will be worth. He won't have to argue that he is the most valuable QB in the NFL at that point.

Wilson has been working on his leg speed this off season and claims to be much speedier than previously. Are we looking at a QB that will improve on his nearly 900 yards rushing to go with better red zone success with lobs to the unstoppable Graham in the end zones? Ya..probably.

If Wilson guides the Hawks to another ring any contract he gets next spring will more than make up for what he could have received this off season.

Only if they add a huge signing bonus. If he get s injured the seahawks will give him a big **** you!

 

[Oldstyle]

In response to OLDSTYLE

Russell Wilson has emerged from first stepping on a Seahawk field as the clear leader of the team on and off the playing surface. He has the highest respect from his team mates. If they are foolish enough individually to believe that the team would be just as successful if Wilson was on another team then the Hawks are better off without them IMHO. There is no player on the Hawks team that is more valuable to the team's success than Russell Wilson. Not Lynch or Sherman or anyone.

That isn't what happened. What DID happen was a hack reporter asked Rogers, Wilson's agent, if he will deny expecting Wilson to get the highest paid contract. Rogers had no comment. That is clearly NOT the same thing as Rogers demanding to the Seahawks that Russell Wilson get the highest contract. No comment means NOTHING.

I'm not at all worried about Wilson getting paid and the Seahawks having to do what they can to maintain a top tier football team.

Having a great QB is obviously a two-sided coin. Every team would love to find a diamond in the rough but it rarely happens. NE was lucky having Brady who many thought was not all that when he was drafted. The Patriots managed to keep enough players to win several SBs. John Schneider is one of the best GMs in the NFL. He has managed to put together a pretty good team for Carroll to take out on the field. Now he has to pay the piper for the teams success. Wilson will get paid. How much? Who knows. It will be enough to get his signature on a contract.

As the Seahawks look towards the future they can count on one ...maybe two more years of Marshawn Lynch. Wilson could be a Seahawk for ten or more years if he continues to evade injury. Why would a team give up a proven winner like Wilson? Because they couldn't sign a long term contract to Bobby Wagner? Bye Bye Bobby..is all I can say to that. What's harder to find? A QB with Wilson's skills or a good middle linebacker?

A decent to elite QB in the NFL typically gets 18 % of the teams cap. I predict Wilson will get that. He, in his first three years, is the winning-est QB that has ever stepped on an NFL field in it's history. How can he NOT get paid?

In the final analysis what is the value a player brings to a team? Personal stats or trips to the big show?

I would bet dollars to donuts that Peyton Manning and John Elway would trade Peyton's record breaking stats of two years ago for that ring that Wilson is sporting from SB 48.

I tend to disagree with you about Peyton Manning, Huggy...I have the utmost respect for Manning but he always made sure that he got paid top dollar. He didn't take less money so that the Colts could keep other players like Brady did even though Manning was pulling an awful lot more money from endorsements than Brady was.

I'm curious to see what it is that Wilson and his agent ask for. If it's top QB monolsey...which I can't argue that Wilson doesn't deserve...then the Seahawks are going to have to shed some other high priced players in order to stay under the cap. Unfortunately that's the modern NFL. It's what's made the 15 year run by the Patriots so impressive because they HAVE shed players and kept right on winning. We'll have to see if the Seahawks can do the same.

Maybe true about Manning. I don't follow the East coast teams nearly as closely as you do.

I think the sports world is making more of this Wilson deal than is really going on here. I have to admit that it has the potential ingredients for a controversy but the players involved are all down to earth people that have acted responsibly in past circumstances.

Rogers has stated that Wilson is prepared to play out the rookie agreement of 1.5 million. That isn't a threat. It is what was agreed to when Russell became a Seahawk. There is no reason why the Hawks need to tear up the old contract. It is what it is. There is NO DEADLINE this season to give Wilson a new deal before his old deal expires.

The press is acting like Wilson is OWED a new deal then talking out of the other side of their mouths speculate that he is greedy and doesn't really care about the teams best interests if he demands top money. This media speculation thing isn't being generated in Renton at the VMAC.

What cracks me up is that the national media NFL pundits call Wilson a mediocre game manager most of the time and now all of a sudden he should be demanding the highest paid contract a whole year before his current one expires. AND when Rogers fails to deny some wild speculation by a hack writer it is twisted into gospel that Wilson has thrown down the gauntlet.

Poppycock! If this thing goes on until this time next season nothing has changed that isn't already in writing and agreed to. Wilson will get a great new deal. It may just not be this year and no one's feelings should be hurt if that's how it plays out.

Not "maybe true" about Manning, Huggy...it's gospel. When he came in as a rookie it was the largest rookie contract in NFL history. When he signed his next contract to keep him in Indy it made him the highest paid player in NFL history. Peyton ALWAYS got paid!

What you should worry about with Wilson is what will happen if no deal IS reached before his current contract expires! Teams generally nail down a long term contract with star players well before the end of their rookie contract because they don't want to risk losing them to free agency nor do they want to get caught up in a "bidding war" with another team who wants to steal their quarterback. The Seahawks could slap the Franchise tag on Wilson to put that off by another year but that risks pissing off their best player and making it even more expensive to sign him a year later. To be quite honest with you, Wilson has never struck me as money hungry as Peyton Manning but you never know about "feelings" and how a player will respond to the business side of the NFL. A lot of it has to do with who Wilson has as his agent. It's interesting to note that he changed agents not too long ago.

“At the end of the day I trust the process,” Wilson said of contract negotiations with the Seahawks, via the “The Adam and Joe Show” on 99.9 The Fan. “I know God’s going to take me and put me where he wants to have me. I hope that’s Seattle. I love it there, it’s a great place. But I’ve also gone through the ups and downs and been moved around before. I loved N.C. State and loved playing there and then having to go somewhere else and start new.

“I ultimately, I know mentally and physically and spiritually I’m prepared for whatever. Every day I’m going to go to work. I’m not the kind of person that’s going to hold out or do any of that, because I want to be the best player I can be. I want to try to improve on the field.”

I would stipulate that Wilson would REALLY like to stay in Seattle. In the end however...it comes down to what the Seahawks are willing to guarantee him in a new contract. If he goes to free agency there are any number of teams out there who would be salivating to steal Wilson away from Seattle. Think Jerry Jones wouldn't pull the trigger on a huge contract if Tony Romo got hurt again? Bottom line is that it's going to cost Seattle a lot of money to keep Wilson and they're going to have to make up that money with cuts elsewhere...it's the way things work in the salary cap era.

I have a sense that Peyton's dad had a hand in offering him the advice to "get all he could" as he had experience in the NFL and was well aware of the pitfalls of not looking out for numeo uno. Clearly it's a business.

The Seahawks have probably gone to the well enough times arguing that Wilson's draft at 76th in the third round is what has kept him from receiving the just fruits from what he has produced.

I'm sure on a different team and a player of a different character makeup combined with an aggressive agent we would have seen a QB with Wilson's winning record already re-signed at the true value or better based on his results on the field.

So what has Seattle done to make Wilson feel like he is appreciated? Well? They went out on a limb and took Harvin from the Vikings.. the limb broke off. Harvin was supposed to give Russell that added dimension in the backfield and in the passing game with those extended plays Russell likes to go off on. The Harvin fiasco cost the Hawks a bundle. Now they have doubled down on trying to give Russell a weapon that by his shear size and speed cannot be covered by any one player and that is Jimmy Graham at 10 million a year. So It's not like the Seahawks are being cheap attempting to give Wilson every opportunity to succeed.

If I was Russell Wilson I would just play out this season at 1.5 million. No bad feelings either. That's because I'm sure he believes for good reason that the Seahawks will be back in the SB AGAIN and imagine what a three time successive Super Bowl QB will be worth. He won't have to argue that he is the most valuable QB in the NFL at that point.

Wilson has been working on his leg speed this off season and claims to be much speedier than previously. Are we looking at a QB that will improve on his nearly 900 yards rushing to go with better red zone success with lobs to the unstoppable Graham in the end zones? Ya..probably.

If Wilson guides the Hawks to another ring any contract he gets next spring will more than make up for what he could have received this off season.

If I were Russell Wilson's agent I'd be pushing hard for a long term deal with a lot of guaranteed money because guaranteed money is the only thing that really counts in the NFL. If you're signing deals where the money isn't guaranteed then you're simply asking to get run out of town if your production slips. Big contracts with nothing guaranteed are what idiots sign up for.

If Wilson guides the Seahawks to another ring then Seattle is going to be paying through the nose for him or they'll lose him to another team desperate for a franchise QB. That's the risk you take if you're Seattle and you don't get a deal done this year. Yes you get Wilson cheap for this year but at what cost next?

 

[Alex.]

Fortunately for me, I'm always sober. This is just another example of you showing your ignorance and childishness. Grow up. This is why you can't find a woman!

It's not that Phallics can't find one, Chris...the problem is they won't stay with him because all he wants to talk about is Tom Brady's balls! That and "secret wishes".

LOL Fail OFS You have shown here many times that you are the USMB FLUFFER for Tom Brady.

Gee, Phallics...why is it that YOU keep bringing up "FLUFFER" and Tom Brady? That seems to be something that's preoccupying your mind. Sometimes the only way to deal with a problem is to admit that you have one.
In your case...you can't stop thinking about Tom's banana...

Banana? You are really working overtime on this to no avail. Another day, another meltdown.

It's a Freudian thing, Phallics...which means it's probably over your head. The fact is...every time you start talking about Tom Brady...you seem fixated on his genitals and some strange "secret wishes" thing that I'm pretty sure I don't want to know anything about!

Oldstyle: “I have a hard-on” no more need be said.

Maybe you should stop taking advice from your constantly inebriated and occasionally institutionalized dominatrix ChrisL on what to post and stick to the OP.

I do agree your antics and warped posting about knowing Brady, his wife, Krapt and the Pats is over my head, I have no idea what you are talking about let alone what reality you think you are in. The Pats got dinged you got pissed and have attempted to derail this thread since the Wells report was issued.

 

[Alex.]

The Patriot fan boi-isms constant crying about the report is laughable, for example , Mike Florio wrote, "I think that they deliberately delayed the process of getting the real numbers out because having the false numbers out there kept the Patriots feeling like they were on the ropes when the reality was that they were on ropes that weren’t even there,” Florio said. “We didn’t get the truth until May. That is the one fact that bothers me more than anything in this entire ordeal, and that’s the one fact that causes me to believe that someone was out to get the Patriots. The false information was put out there, or deliberately not corrected.”

Florio Goodells Underlings Were Out To Get Patriots - RealGM Wiretap

Florio makes no sense, the Patriots were celebrated as winners, Brady was the face of the NFL Goodell needed this to get away from the Rice and how his office mishandled that situation. There was no conspiracy and no one was out to get the Patriots. Since then The Patriots have been investigated for their treatment of Butler and now the use of drones.

 

[ChrisL]

It's not that Phallics can't find one, Chris...the problem is they won't stay with him because all he wants to talk about is Tom Brady's balls! That and "secret wishes".

LOL Fail OFS You have shown here many times that you are the USMB FLUFFER for Tom Brady.

Gee, Phallics...why is it that YOU keep bringing up "FLUFFER" and Tom Brady? That seems to be something that's preoccupying your mind. Sometimes the only way to deal with a problem is to admit that you have one.
In your case...you can't stop thinking about Tom's banana...

Banana? You are really working overtime on this to no avail. Another day, another meltdown.

It's a Freudian thing, Phallics...which means it's probably over your head. The fact is...every time you start talking about Tom Brady...you seem fixated on his genitals and some strange "secret wishes" thing that I'm pretty sure I don't want to know anything about!

Oldstyle: “I have a hard-on” no more need be said.

Maybe you should stop taking advice from your constantly inebriated and occasionally institutionalized dominatrix ChrisL on what to post and stick to the OP.

I do agree your antics and warped posting about knowing Brady, his wife, Krapt and the Pats is over my head, I have no idea what you are talking about let alone what reality you think you are in. The Pats got dinged you got pissed and have attempted to derail this thread since the Wells report was issued.

You really need to act your age instead of your shoe size, but then again your shoe size is probably equivalent to your IQ. If anyone is inebriated around here it would be yourself and your crazy as **** girlfriend, Skye. You two make a great couple.

 

[ChrisL]

The Patriot fan boi-isms constant crying about the report is laughable, for example , Mike Florio wrote, "I think that they deliberately delayed the process of getting the real numbers out because having the false numbers out there kept the Patriots feeling like they were on the ropes when the reality was that they were on ropes that weren’t even there,” Florio said. “We didn’t get the truth until May. That is the one fact that bothers me more than anything in this entire ordeal, and that’s the one fact that causes me to believe that someone was out to get the Patriots. The false information was put out there, or deliberately not corrected.”

Florio Goodells Underlings Were Out To Get Patriots - RealGM Wiretap

Florio makes no sense, the Patriots were celebrated as winners, Brady was the face of the NFL Goodell needed this to get away from the Rice and how his office mishandled that situation. There was no conspiracy and no one was out to get the Patriots. Since then The Patriots have been investigated for their treatment of Butler and now the use of drones.

You are a POS. Don't even soil my name by mentioning it again, scumbag.

 

[Alex.]

The Patriot fan boi-isms constant crying about the report is laughable, for example , Mike Florio wrote, "I think that they deliberately delayed the process of getting the real numbers out because having the false numbers out there kept the Patriots feeling like they were on the ropes when the reality was that they were on ropes that weren’t even there,” Florio said. “We didn’t get the truth until May. That is the one fact that bothers me more than anything in this entire ordeal, and that’s the one fact that causes me to believe that someone was out to get the Patriots. The false information was put out there, or deliberately not corrected.”

Florio Goodells Underlings Were Out To Get Patriots - RealGM Wiretap

Florio makes no sense, the Patriots were celebrated as winners, Brady was the face of the NFL Goodell needed this to get away from the Rice and how his office mishandled that situation. There was no conspiracy and no one was out to get the Patriots. Since then The Patriots have been investigated for their treatment of Butler and now the use of drones.

You are a POS. Don't even soil my name by mentioning it again, scumbag.

I suppose that means you will not PM me again soiling the name of other women on this site.

 

[Alex.]

LOL Fail OFS You have shown here many times that you are the USMB FLUFFER for Tom Brady.

Gee, Phallics...why is it that YOU keep bringing up "FLUFFER" and Tom Brady? That seems to be something that's preoccupying your mind. Sometimes the only way to deal with a problem is to admit that you have one.
In your case...you can't stop thinking about Tom's banana...

Banana? You are really working overtime on this to no avail. Another day, another meltdown.

It's a Freudian thing, Phallics...which means it's probably over your head. The fact is...every time you start talking about Tom Brady...you seem fixated on his genitals and some strange "secret wishes" thing that I'm pretty sure I don't want to know anything about!

Oldstyle: “I have a hard-on” no more need be said.

Maybe you should stop taking advice from your constantly inebriated and occasionally institutionalized dominatrix ChrisL on what to post and stick to the OP.

I do agree your antics and warped posting about knowing Brady, his wife, Krapt and the Pats is over my head, I have no idea what you are talking about let alone what reality you think you are in. The Pats got dinged you got pissed and have attempted to derail this thread since the Wells report was issued.

You really need to act your age instead of your shoe size, but then again your shoe size is probably equivalent to your IQ. If anyone is inebriated around here it would be yourself and your crazy as **** girlfriend, Skye. You two make a great couple.

ChrisL: "you can't find a woman!" You need to stick to one story ChrisL either I cannot find a woman or I have a woman, I know that is hard for you with your perpetual hangover. Maybe you shout just stick to the OP.