Party Loyalty is Poison

[YoursTruly]

Yeah, pretty much.

And government is largely populated by Hamiltonians today.

It's never gonna change.

The Framers slit throats.

Today, modern society's will to actually change anything in any kind of meaningful way goes only so far as the next opinion show or whatever.

The American electorate is just too damned stupid. Like trained monkeys.

Few understand what the economy actually is.

Even fewer have the slightest rudimentary grasp of economic theory and monetary policy, and have no understanding of what kinds of policies we actually have.

The Majority of the electorate are purveyors of big government in general, observably.

The only real conservatives left in America are the classical liberals.

But the American electorate is pretty good at political sportball. Red hemlets vs blue helmets type pablum. Trying to create some foolish notion of difference between themselves whe n, in reality, there is no difference..

It's crazy, man...

The RINO's are doing a great job at getting elected by making fiscally conservative promises. All the while ending the remaining few fiscal conservatives in DC.

 

[eagle1462010]

Here's the point that you miss. Both sides suck. And they're not REALLY two sides. They just play sides on TV.

I understand Very Clearly.

I take best option available and it sure as hell aint the DEMS.

I REFUSE TO PLAY THIS BS THREAD GAME.

Seen this over and over. That dog dont hunt with me.

 

[toobfreak]

The fact is that our two party system is hurting Americans.

It is only hurting us because it is not a true two party system anymore.

 

[buttercup]

Indeed. Only loyalty to their "side" matters.

Damn Straight

So your "side" can do anything at all and you'd still support them, eagle?

If your "side" dismantled the 2nd Amendment, just like the Ds try to, you'd still support them?

If your "side" did away with the 4th Amendment, you'd still support them?

If your "side" turned us into cashless society where everything is tracked, you'd still support them?

If your "side" mandated a national digital ID, you'd still support them?

If your "side" brought about a social credit score system, like in China, you'd still support them?

If your "side" killed American citizens over bogus reasons, you'd still support them?

You may think this is silly, but it's an honest question.... I'm just asking because dblack said "only loyalty to their side" matters and you adamantly agreed with that statement.

 

[Billiejeens]

That's another good point. Democracy also fails once the fear machine has people rejecting reality in favor of insane conspiracy theories.

The path from conspiracy theory to "fact" is really short and quick now.

 

[buttercup]

eagle, it was questions. If you don't like the questions, give it a thumbs down, but how can a question be fake news?

 

[eagle1462010]

So your "side" can do anything at all and you'd still support them, eagle?

If your "side" dismantled the 2nd Amendment, just like the Ds try to, you'd still support them?

If your "side" did away with the 4th Amendment, you'd still support them?

If your "side" turned us into cashless society where everything is tracked, you'd still support them?

If your "side" mandated a national digital ID, you'd still support them?

If your "side" brought about a social credit score system, like in China, you'd still support them?

If your "side" killed American citizens over bogus reasons, you'd still support them?

You may think this is silly, but it's an honest question.... I'm just asking because dblack said "only loyalty to their side" matters and you adamantly agreed with that statement.

BS With your stupid mind games.

Ive made it clear.

Hell would have to freeze over to compromise with the Dems.

Im against them. You go play stupid games. Im done with them

 

[eagle1462010]

eagle, it was questions. If you don't like the questions, give it a thumbs down, but how can a question be fake news?

You are fake news. This whole thread is TYPICAL BS look what you guys have done BS

I REFUSE to play this stupid game

 

[buttercup]

BS With your stupid mind games.

Ive made it clear.

Hell would have to freeze over to compromise with the Dems.

Im against them. You go play stupid games. Im done with them

I wholeheartedly agree with you that we shouldn't compromise, that's the whole point! YOU are compromising when you support shitty statist anti-freedom things because of blind partisanship or misguided loyalty to a politician.

And it's not a mind game, those were questions to see if you really meant what you said. If you truly would support your party no matter what they did, then your answer would be yes to those questions. If you don't want to answer yes, then maybe you do have some limits? Just answer the question. Don't try to have it both ways.

 

[fncceo]

I don’t vote based on party … I vote for whomever is most likely to make THESE GUYS want to slash their wrists.

 

[BluesLegend]

I don’t vote based on party … I vote for whomever is most likely to make THESE GUYS want to slash their wrists.

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^^^ winner!

 

[eagle1462010]

I wholeheartedly agree with you that we shouldn't compromise, that's the whole point! YOU are compromising when you support shitty statist anti-freedom things because of blind partisanship or misguided loyalty to a politician.

And it's not a mind game, those were questions to see if you really meant what you said. If you truly would support your party no matter what they did, then your answer would be yes to those questions. If you don't want to answer yes, then maybe you do have some limits? Just answer the question. Don't try to have it both ways.

Your Psycho babble means nothing to me.

Now spell out specifics in the bill that has your panties ij a wad

 

[YoursTruly]

I understand Very Clearly.

I take best option available and it sure as hell aint the DEMS.

I REFUSE TO PLAY THIS BS THREAD GAME.

Seen this over and over. That dog dont hunt with me.

The RINO's are just democrats in disguise. So they're not even the lesser of two evils.

 

[eagle1462010]

The RINO's are just democrats in disguise. So they're not even the lesser of two evils.

Been that way long time. You just figure that out lol

 

[dblack]

You are fake news. This whole thread is TYPICAL BS look what you guys have done BS

I REFUSE to play this stupid game

That's literally, exactly, what you're doing.

 

[eagle1462010]

That's l literally, exactly, what you're doing.

BS

Here is the deal The bill passed. Dems and you are now bitching.

You and they lost.

Your TDS doesnt change a thing

 

[$ecular#eckler]

No matter what citizens try to activate alternative representation in pursuit of justice, the erroneous system will always result in two flawed political parties because publicly elected and generally commissioned legislative assemblies will always cycle into a contest of two factions for majority control of the electoral process and tally. Third parties formed outside the generally commissioned legislature will most likely compel the members to realign themselves into the established factions because majority alliances have to be coordinated to pass legislation. It would require, at least, three election cycles over six years with absolute top-secret campaigns for a third party to stall the legislative process long enough to gather the membership to overrule the two subsisting political parties. The American public is just not going to have the capacity for such a strategy, because the correct solution emerges from the logical conclusion of the strategy.
It is not true that the American Founders did not expect political parties to form. The patriots versus the loyalists was probably the first national party system. The Founders just did not know what effect partisanship might have on the supposedly separate judicial and executive branches, because the colonial legislatures were in contest with the king, loyal governors, judges, and military enforcement of the law. The Founders did the best they could with what little information they had about republic self-governance, and the theorists of the Three-part Separation Theory did not elaborate anything concerning the political factions that are inevitably formed in a legislature.

 

[dblack]

BS

Here is the deal The bill passed. Dems and you are now bitching.

Wrong thread.

This thread is about the poisonous nature of party loyalty. It produces automated, "loyal" drones who stop thinking for themselves.

 

[22lcidw]

So your "side" can do anything at all and you'd still support them, eagle?

If your "side" dismantled the 2nd Amendment, just like the Ds try to, you'd still support them?

If your "side" did away with the 4th Amendment, you'd still support them?

If your "side" turned us into cashless society where everything is tracked, you'd still support them?

If your "side" mandated a national digital ID, you'd still support them?

If your "side" brought about a social credit score system, like in China, you'd still support them?

If your "side" killed American citizens over bogus reasons, you'd still support them?

You may think this is silly, but it's an honest question.... I'm just asking because dblack said "only loyalty to their side" matters and you adamantly agreed with that statement.

It is not just sides that are involved. Or a percentage in each. It is the private side, businesses, the financiers, owners of the currencies in various nations, anything to do with money, etc. that are involved with other elites and politicians. Conditions are set up where it looks like by doing any of the things you typed it will improve the efficiency. And they caused all of this.

 

[eagle1462010]

Wrong thread.

This thread is about the poisonous nature of party loyalty. It produces automated, "loyal" drones who stop thinking for themselves.

No it isnt.

Its another TDS thread from those who arent really who they say they are. Aka you