Party Loyalty is Poison

[IM2]

LOL - Dems started the culture war.

How? This is going to be good.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The only side waging a culture war is the right. And true, there are no political parties mentioned in the constitution. However, those slave owners didn't have any principles and values.

No, it is the LEFT drive the country further Left. When we respond you say WE are engaging in a culture war. WE are only DEFENSIVE, trying to protect the country from your endless attacks on AMERICAN culture

 

[Votto]

"Democrats suck ass"

-George Washington, state of the union quote 1782.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Billy000 isn’t President of the United States. I expect more decorum from the office of president.

But are unwilling to demonstrate it yourself.

Got it.

 

[Foxfyre]

The founders knew it. Anyone with a brain and a pulse knows it. We've replaced principles and values with "sides".

The Founding Fathers Feared Political Factions Would Tear the Nation Apart | HISTORY

The Constitution's framers viewed political parties as a necessary evil.

www.history.com

That is true. But when you choose the party you choose to support in any given election based on vision, principles, agenda, policy, track record it can be a good thing.

To vote Republican now is to vote for closed borders, reformed spending policy, taxation that benefits instead of punishes people, support of traditional values that made America the great country it is.

To vote Democrat now is to vote for open borders, insane and irresponsible spending, the pornification of America and destruction of the history, traditions, values, principles that have made America the great country that it is.

 

[konradv]

But are unwilling to demonstrate it yourself.

What are you talking about? No fan of Trump should be saying anything about decorum.

 

[HikerGuy83]

What are you talking about? No fan of Trump should be saying anything about decorum.

Uh, neither should you then.

 

[YoursTruly]

BS

Here is the deal The bill passed. Dems and you are now bitching.

You and they lost.

Your TDS doesnt change a thing

How did the democrats lose? They got almost everything they wanted. In fact, they got more than the fiscal conservatives got.

 

[Foxfyre]

How did the democrats lose? They got almost everything they wanted. In fact, they got more than the fiscal conservatives got.

Such as what? Is it because they got everything they wanted that kept Jeffries talking for eight hours or so to prevent a vote until he finally had to go to the bathroom? Exactly what is it they wanted that they got?

They didn't get to keep the border open.

They didn't get to keep funding for Planned Parenthood, PBS, NPR, USAID, Medicaid for migrants.

They didn't get to let the Trump tax reforms expire.

They didn't get trillions poured into green energy that accomplish nothing.

Exactly what is it they got?

 

[dblack]

Such as what? Is it because they got everything they wanted that kept Jeffries talking for eight hours or so to prevent a vote until he finally had to go to the bathroom? Exactly what is it they wanted that they got?

They didn't get to keep the border open.

They didn't get to keep funding for Planned Parenthood, PBS, NPR, USAID, Medicaid for migrants.

They didn't get to let the Trump tax reforms expire.

They didn't get trillions poured into green energy that accomplish nothing.

Exactly what is it they got?

The same old same old.

Now they just wait their turn.

 

[toobfreak]

Parties need to push policies that garner a majority of energized voters, like Trump.

So, after disagreeing that we need a healthy two-party system so that if a party is bad, folks have a better party like Trump to vote for, now you have changed your mind.

 

[Foxfyre]

The same old same old.

Now they just wait their turn.

If you think the legislation that that passed this morning is same old, same old, you really need to brush up on your reading and listening skills.

 

[dblack]

If you think the legislation that that passed this morning is same old, same old, you really need to brush up on your reading and listening skills.

Have you read the bill? All of it? Any of it?

 

[YoursTruly]

Such as what? Is it because they got everything they wanted that kept Jeffries talking for eight hours or so to prevent a vote until he finally had to go to the bathroom? Exactly what is it they wanted that they got?

They didn't get to keep the border open.

They didn't get to keep funding for Planned Parenthood, PBS, NPR, USAID, Medicaid for migrants.

They didn't get to let the Trump tax reforms expire.

They didn't get trillions poured into green energy that accomplish nothing.

Exactly what is it they got?

Illegals still get their Medicaid. Trans kids still get their surgeries. No tax on tips or over time is not only temporary. But it's also capped. They got their green new scam money. And a bunch of other things.

 

[Foxfyre]

Have you read the bill? All of it? Any of it?

Some of it. Mostly summaries provided by sources I trust.

 

[Foxfyre]

Illegals still get their Medicaid. Trans kids still get their surgeries. No tax on tips or over time is not only temporary. But it's also capped. They got their green new scam money. And a bunch of other things.

Reliable source(s) please or you don't know what you're talking about.

Here's mine:

Trump’s ‘Big Beautiful Bill’ Ends Medicaid Funding for Illegal Immigrants

The Big Beautiful Bill, effective July 2025, restricts Medicaid funding for undocumented immigrants and penalizes states providing state-funded coverage. It adds work requirements, increases eligibility reviews, and raises copays. About 1.4 million undocumented immigrants and millions more may...

www.visaverge.com

House bill cuts Medicaid funds for adult trans health care

The Trump-backed tax bill passed by the U.S. House blocks federal Medicaid dollars from gender-affirming care for transgender adults, expanding the reach from minors only. It’s not yet clear how many transgender adults could be affected.

www.politifact.com

 

[kyzr]

So, after disagreeing that we need a healthy two-party system so that if a party is bad, folks have a better party like Trump to vote for, now you have changed your mind.

I've never disagreed that we need a 2-party system. You replying to someone else?
See my post #23

 

[toobfreak]

I've never disagreed that we need a 2-party system. You replying to someone else?

No, I said we needed a legit 2-party system that wasn't a uniparty and YOU disagreed.

 

[dblack]

Some of it. Mostly summaries provided by sources I trust.

I've read very little. Omnibus bills are always a hard no for me out of the gate. They're just a way to push through legislation that can't win support on its own.

 

[BackAgain]

To the extent that we have political Parties, political “loyalty” is kind of necessary. This is why we have positions such as Party “Whip.”

I imagine that the OP is actually complaining more about the existence of political Parties at all than about “loyalty.”

But I suppose that a different matter than the alleged topic presented.