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usually these situations are complex. In this particular case, it’s not complex at all.How do you know?
Please...explain...how do you know?
Do you know what they were trying to do with this boy? Was he in counseling, were they trying to decide the best way to deal with the situation....a horrible situation to have to deal with......?
What was going on between the parents and the school at the time....?
How concerned was the school about this kid? If they were really concerned, what were they doing?
Do you understand that this situation is complex, not easy, and that believing what the prosecutor and the press are telling you, at this point, is just silly....
The facts will come out, and we will see what we see...
It seems they did.
It all depends on the circumstances. Circumstances I do not think we are fully aware of yet.
usually these situations are complex. In this particular case, it’s not complex at all.
The parents were shown a drawing the kid made where he drew himself shooting his classmates. He drew dead bodies. He drew a picture of the gun they had given him as an early Christmas present. He wrote “so much blood everywhere” He wrote “I can’t stop the bad thoughts. Help me”.
All this was shown to the parents hours before the shooting. They were asked to take their son home. They refused.
Which would go to the benefit of the parents, that it was their intent that their son not harm anyone.She texted her son.. Don't do it.
www.cnn.com
Which would go to the benefit of the parents, that it was their intent that their son not harm anyone.
‘Legal experts were quick to point out that such charges are far from the norm -- it is James and Jennifer Crumbley's 15-year-old son, Ethan, who is accused of pulling the trigger and killing four of his fellow high school students.
"It's exceptionally unusual," said Cassandra Crifasi, deputy director of Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Violence and Research. "We rarely hold people accountable for giving someone a gun who shouldn't have one."’
What legal analysts say about charges against parents in Michigan school shooting
The parents of the suspect in a shooting at Oxford High School in Michigan that left four students dead this week are facing involuntary manslaughter charges in those deaths.
They were shown it hours before the shooting. It was a school conference. A teacher saw the drawing and was obviously disturbed by it and the school called the parents in for an emergency conference.Yeah...when were they shown the drawing......?
My brother, in grade school drew a picture of the Hindenburg on fire and people falling into the Ocean (I know, he was in grade school) getting eaten by sharks........
He has been a police officer for close to 30 years.......
Do you know what the parents were doing before this with this kid?
Until you do, you really can't say anything intelligent about what happened before the shooting....
Again, the issue isn’t the parent’s responsibility, but the unwarranted severity of the punishment sought.They purchased the gun, as a christmas present, and let him unwrap it long before christmas. They taught him to shoot it, and left it where he could find it. They played a key role in enabling the shooting to take place. The classic "if not for" argument.
They were shown it hours before the shooting. It was a school conference. A teacher saw the drawing and was obviously disturbed by it and the school called the parents in for an emergency conference.
They showed the parents this picture and told the parents they needed to take their son home and get him into counseling. The parents refused to take the son home.
They left, the son stayed. Two hours later the son shoot and killed multiple people.
This is all matter of public record.
If your kid is explicitly stating he has “bad thoughts” that he can’t stop thinking about shooting his classmates, yes, you have to make the decision to take him home. I’m going with that.So........hours before the shooting? They have to make life changing moves after one meeting with the school?
You are going with that?
Really?
Do you know anyting else? Anything more substantial?
What about this deflection? Can't stay on topic?What about the black school shooter they let out on bail who was back at his home after shooting 3 people...remember that one? Did they arrest his parents?
I'll make a thread on that one...
Of your kid is explicitly stating he has “bad thoughts” that he can’t stop about shooting his classmates, yes, you have to make the decision to take him home. I’m going with that.
They knew their son was troubled. They knew he was having homicidal ideation. They knew he had access to a gun.
Why didn’t they take him home? Give me one possible reason.
There’s literally nothing more substantial than the picture they were shown.
If people need to be presented with the facts again, from Fox News:
The teen then took to social media around that date to post images of a semi-automatic handgun with the caption "just got my new beauty today [heart emoji] sig sauer 9mm any questions I will answer," according to McDonald.
The next day, McDonald said Jennifer Crumbley posted on social media "mom and son day testing out his new Christmas present."
In the week before the shooting, on Nov. 21, McDonald said a teacher at Oxford High School had noticed Ethan Crumbley searching for ammunition on his cell phone during class and reported the incident to administrators.
His mother then was contacted by phone and email, but the school never heard back from her, McDonald says. Instead, she added, Jennifer exchanged text messages with her son about the incident, one of which said "Lol I’m not mad at you, you have to learn not to get caught."
Then on the morning of the shooting, Ethan's teacher noticed an alarming note on his desk that contained drawings of a semi-automatic handgun, a bullet and a person being shot twice with the phrases "the thoughts won't stop, help me," "blood everywhere," "my life is useless" and "the world is dead" written throughout, according to McDonald.
The prosecutor said Ethan and his parents were immediately summoned to a meeting, during which they were told they were required to get their son into counseling within 48 hours.
At that meeting, the parents were shown Ethan’s drawing but portions of it were scratched out by Ethan beforehand, such as the drawing of the gun and bloody figure, McDonald said.
She noted that the parents resisted the idea of their son leaving school at that time and departed the building without him. He then returned to the classroom and hours later drew the weapon from his backpack and started firing.
Michigan school shooting: Ethan Crumbley’s parents facing involuntary manslaughter charges
What about this deflection? Can't stay on topic?
You think that’s the same as drawing a picture of yourself shooting your classmates with captions reading “the bad thoughts won’t stop”?My brother drew a picture of the burning hindenburg and people falling into water getting attacked by sharks..........in school......and he has been a police officer for almost 30 years now...
Uh... what?different states have different laws.
Gotta deflect to black people, eh?You mean like the parents of the Black Teenager who shot 3 people at his school, and was out on bail the next day.....you mean the way they didn't arrest his parents?
You think that’s the same as drawing a picture of yourself shooting your classmates with captions reading “the bad thoughts won’t stop”?
Gotta deflect to black people, eh?
I’ve stated many times in posts here that I don’t know why the school didn’t remove the student immediately once the parents refused to take him home. Obviously they made a mistake,too. It was a clusterfuck and perhaps the school should and will face charges.It is different....but again.......what was his behavior before this?
If the school was so afraid, why didn't they call the police in immediately?
If the situation was immediate, why did they give the parents 48 hours?
If the situation was immediate, why didn't they expel the student or refuse to allow him to stay?
You don't know anything, but post like a champ....
