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those people were good scientists despite being religious.No, it pretty much is. And we'll eventually pay for that down the road. We had to play a massive game of catch up in the Space race. I have a feeling next time we won't catch up. We've simply neglected Math and Science, and conditioned our children to look down upon book knowledge and degrees for too long.
If you doubt that, look at the science behind modern medical advances in gene therapy, anti-bacterial and anti-viral treatments, and cloning. A lot of that comes out of solid science based on results predicted by the theory of evolution. However, a lot of folks in the States aren't even willing to give that the time of day.
Historically, this has all happened before. The Catholic Church was once upon a time the major political power in the world. However, because they rejected the theories of Kepler and others they had a very difficult time organizing a working calendar and even keeping track of movable feasts like Easter. Low and behold, the folks that fixed the calendar, and solved the Easter problem, were people that used results based on Kepler's and Copernicus's theories about the solar system.
Wrong.
Most of the huge strides in genetic research stem directly from delving into pi, and other breakthroughs (the Human Genome Project) that were given to us by MEN OF FAITH.
Solid science, solid Christians.
Chudnowski brothers - figured pi out to 2 billion places, and based on the things they discovered along the way, genetic science exploded...they're devout Christians.
Francis S. Collins, one of the world's leading scientists who works at the cutting edge of DNA research, concluded that "there is an inescapable component of heritability to many human behavioral traits." However, he adds, "for virtually none of them, is heredity ever close to predictive."
Collins is also a Christian.
As I said. We don't look down on education. People are just disgusted wtih the revolting elitism of academia. That combined with the fact that they belittle everything American will lose them the popularity contest post haste.
generally, religiosity kills curiosity.
Wrong.
Most of the huge strides in genetic research stem directly from delving into pi, and other breakthroughs (the Human Genome Project) that were given to us by MEN OF FAITH.
Solid science, solid Christians.
Chudnowski brothers - figured pi out to 2 billion places, and based on the things they discovered along the way, genetic science exploded...they're devout Christians.
I tried to look this up on Google and couldn't find a reference to explain how the investigation into Pi by the Chudnowski brothers factored into the human genome project. I teach the History of Mathematics course at my University, and several of the higher level pure mathematics courses that touch on Pi, and I have to say I have never heard this story.
This isn't a tongue in cheek gotcha reply. If you have a source I would legitimately like to read it as I'd love to share such a story with my classes. I know that calculations of Pi have long been a benchmark of a culture's mathematical capabilities, and calculations of Pi are often used to put super computers through their paces. Srinivasa Ramanujan, one of the most brilliant mathematical minds of the 20th century left behind series after series on the calculations of digits of pi, each more bizarre (and useful) than the last.
So if you have a source, I would very much like to read it.
Do not think for an instance I'm discounting men of faith and their contributions to science. Father Mersenne for example was a loyal Catholic who counseled his friend Galileo to not provoke the Pope, all while helping Galileo publish and distribute his theories on celestial motion. Father Mersenne organized mathematicians, helped revolutionize the field, and spurred an investigation into a class of prime numbers that bear his name to this day. Most of the early innovators of Calculus originally entered the Universities as theological candidates (often Lutheran!) and stayed devout their whole lives (see the many and various Bernoulli family members in science).
Men of faith do contribute. But they do so by realizing that science never contradicts the Bible, it just contradicts our understanding of the Bible.
The mechanics of Evolution, which have in fact been a driving force behind a great amount of medical, chemical, biological, and genetic research, are consistent with the Biblical ideal of a God that cares for even the survival of sparrows. It helps make the Noah's ark story more plausible and realistic, among other stories in the Bible.
I won't derail this thread with Evolution any further, but my point is that right now in this nation the concept of "Every man's opinion is valid" is just silly, stupid, and wrong. And its leading to a devaluing of education. After all, if everyone is entitled to their opinion on any topic, and all opinions are equally valid, why bother studying facts?
The Tea Party loves to tout its love for the Constitution (as seen in the photo above,) but ironically wildly applauded the former half Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin when she had this to say about President Obama:
In these volatile times when we are a nation at war, now more than ever is when we need a commander-in-chief, not a constitutional law professor lecturing us from a lectern.
Watch:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_rW2BfRl9E&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Palin's "constitutional law professor" attack[/ame]
Huh?
Amazing how utterly stupid these folks are.
Being that he taught constitutional law you would think he had a better understanding of the constitution. He stepped all over it to get his health care passed, 16 attornery generals from 16 states are now filing suit stating that his health care plan is UNCONSTITUTIONAL due to the commerce clause. Other states are going to join in. He loses this in the high court and he is gonna have egg all over his face. 
What? You don't believe the Obama wants to uphold the constitution?
How dastardly of you, extremist!
Constitutional law professors teach students how to find loopholes in the Constitution.
Another Con off his meds.The only part of the constitution the right likes is the 2nd amendment.
You don't need a constitutional scholar to understand that part. So the President doesn't have to know anything about the constitution.
Obama certainly does not understand the second amendment and he says he is a lawyer. What a waste of education!
For that matter Obama does not understand most of the constitution. He says it is flawed & wants to do away with the constitution & fundamentally transform The USA to Marxism.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IGMMJ08J3M"]Obama says the constitution is flawed[/ame]
those people were good scientists despite being religious.Wrong.
Most of the huge strides in genetic research stem directly from delving into pi, and other breakthroughs (the Human Genome Project) that were given to us by MEN OF FAITH.
Solid science, solid Christians.
Chudnowski brothers - figured pi out to 2 billion places, and based on the things they discovered along the way, genetic science exploded...they're devout Christians.
Francis S. Collins, one of the world's leading scientists who works at the cutting edge of DNA research, concluded that "there is an inescapable component of heritability to many human behavioral traits." However, he adds, "for virtually none of them, is heredity ever close to predictive."
Collins is also a Christian.
As I said. We don't look down on education. People are just disgusted wtih the revolting elitism of academia. That combined with the fact that they belittle everything American will lose them the popularity contest post haste.
generally, religiosity kills curiosity.
No, it doesn't. And they aren't just good scientists, they are the #1 mathematical mind and the #1 DNA researcher in the world.
And they're devout. They have more insight into the science of creation that you would be able to pack into your narrow little skull in a lifetime. And their conclusion is that we are God's creation.
The only part of the constitution the right likes is the 2nd amendment.
There's definitely a bias against education in this country. I blame Charlie Brown. No, seriously. Hang with me for a second.
America has a concept of itself/herself (I'd like to think) and from time to time that concept changes. It used to be America thought of herself as an educated patriot (George Washington)...maybe that changed to a captain of industry...or Rosie the Riveter...but somewhere along the way we began to think of ourselves as Charlie Brown.
Charlie...that lovable loser...if he just tries hard enough he'll win kind of guy. We value the "everyman" instead of striving to be Superman...or Einstein. The heroes of the country aren't the pinnacle any more...they're the middle of the road, relatable guy. Call me crazy, but there's nothing bettering about striving to reach the middle.
I know this is kind of a weird, rambling post...but I really agree that educated people are dismissed as elitist instead of given reverence...because just like a previous poster said...everyone has an opinion and they're supposed to be equal no matter what. That's just not the case.
Perhaps its a class warfare thing. Educated = rich (in people's minds) and the have nots despise the haves. It's just amazing to come on this forum and have ridiculous comments about how Obama doesn't know the Constitution when the man clearly does. Infantile, unnecessary hatred. Even if you dont like his politics...to deny the man his resume is just plain stupid.
No, it doesn't. And they aren't just good scientists, they are the #1 mathematical mind and the #1 DNA researcher in the world.
And they're devout. They have more insight into the science of creation that you would be able to pack into your narrow little skull in a lifetime. And their conclusion is that we are God's creation.
There's definitely a bias against education in this country. I blame Charlie Brown. No, seriously. Hang with me for a second.
America has a concept of itself/herself (I'd like to think) and from time to time that concept changes. It used to be America thought of herself as an educated patriot (George Washington)...maybe that changed to a captain of industry...or Rosie the Riveter...but somewhere along the way we began to think of ourselves as Charlie Brown.
Charlie...that lovable loser...if he just tries hard enough he'll win kind of guy. We value the "everyman" instead of striving to be Superman...or Einstein. The heroes of the country aren't the pinnacle any more...they're the middle of the road, relatable guy. Call me crazy, but there's nothing bettering about striving to reach the middle.
I know this is kind of a weird, rambling post...but I really agree that educated people are dismissed as elitist instead of given reverence...because just like a previous poster said...everyone has an opinion and they're supposed to be equal no matter what. That's just not the case.
Perhaps its a class warfare thing. Educated = rich (in people's minds) and the have nots despise the haves. It's just amazing to come on this forum and have ridiculous comments about how Obama doesn't know the Constitution when the man clearly does. Infantile, unnecessary hatred. Even if you dont like his politics...to deny the man his resume is just plain stupid.
It's an interesting point.
I was recently watching Stephen Fry talk about a TV series he's made where he visited all 50 US states. In it, he said something that he thought perfectly sums up the difference between Britain and America.
In preamble, he said that he in general found Americans to be polite, pleasant, intelligent and friendly, in fact pretty much everything that many sections of Britain often berate and belittle them for not being. The somewhat superior way in which many Brits compare themselves with Americans actually reveals a rather large inferiority complex.
He then went on to say that in the U.S., people sometimes use the phrase "Only in America". When used, that term is usually used in the context of something slightly strange but slightly wonderful, a new way of looking at something. Maybe it's a way that is going to prove worthless, but to him it captured the essence of the true American spirit - there's no telling what we can do if we try. Who knows, maybe it will work, so let's give it a shot and see what happens.
The same term used in Britain ("Only in Britain"), has entirely different connotations. In Britain it is used in a defeatist, exasperated sense, when confronted by mindless bureaucracy, terminal stupidity or in the sense that something is obviously doomed to fail. "Oh, for fuck's sake, only in Britain".
Your Charlie Brown analogy seems, to my way of thinking, to be saying that the US is heading down a path that has already been well trodden by Britain. If this board is a microcosm of the US, it's an analogy with which I find it hard to disagree.
We love the 10th also (I bet you wish that one would just go away).....Not that we don't love the entire Constitution.The only part of the constitution the right likes is the 2nd amendment.
There's definitely a bias against education in this country. I blame Charlie Brown. No, seriously. Hang with me for a second.
America has a concept of itself/herself (I'd like to think) and from time to time that concept changes. It used to be America thought of herself as an educated patriot (George Washington)...maybe that changed to a captain of industry...or Rosie the Riveter...but somewhere along the way we began to think of ourselves as Charlie Brown.
Charlie...that lovable loser...if he just tries hard enough he'll win kind of guy. We value the "everyman" instead of striving to be Superman...or Einstein. The heroes of the country aren't the pinnacle any more...they're the middle of the road, relatable guy. Call me crazy, but there's nothing bettering about striving to reach the middle.
I know this is kind of a weird, rambling post...but I really agree that educated people are dismissed as elitist instead of given reverence...because just like a previous poster said...everyone has an opinion and they're supposed to be equal no matter what. That's just not the case.
Perhaps its a class warfare thing. Educated = rich (in people's minds) and the have nots despise the haves. It's just amazing to come on this forum and have ridiculous comments about how Obama doesn't know the Constitution when the man clearly does. Infantile, unnecessary hatred. Even if you dont like his politics...to deny the man his resume is just plain stupid.
(Not usually what hate-spewing forum people are supposed to do...but momma raised me differently)
