Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border

[Ecocertifmrl]

It is absolutely impossible to grant a widespread right of return to millions of descendants of internally displaced persons because it undermines the INTENT of a peaceful solution which is self-determination for BOTH peoples.

How convenient.

 

[rylah]

That is what self-determination IS. The peoples get to determine. Once again the fundamental CAUSE of the problem is that people reject basic human rights for the Jewish people.

OK, but 3/4 of the People living in Gaza are refugees. They have their concerns also.

Not refugees but "Palestinian refuges".

Whole different category , don't confuse eternal welfare frauds with real refugees.

Be spesific. I don't want to confuse those two. What are the differences?

People who live in a land they call their "homeland" are not refugees

That is not necessarily true. The word refugee carries no demand of how far one has to be from their original place.

But You cannot claim to live in Your homeland and be a refugee at the same time.
You're either home or a refugee from a different state.

Basically You're saying that Gazans are foreigners to Palestine.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

OK, but 3/4 of the People living in Gaza are refugees. They have their concerns also.

Not refugees but "Palestinian refuges".

Whole different category , don't confuse eternal welfare frauds with real refugees.

Be spesific. I don't want to confuse those two. What are the differences?

People who live in a land they call their "homeland" are not refugees

That is not necessarily true. The word refugee carries no demand of how far one has to be from their original place.

But You cannot claim to live in Your homeland and be a refugee at the same time.
You're either home or a refugee from a different state.

or ..... OR...you are refugee from the SAME state. Think about THAT.

 

[Shusha]

or ..... OR...you are refugee from the SAME state. Think about THAT.[/QUOTE]

That would be an "internally displaced person". Entirely different in IHL. Refugee laws were specifically designed to exclude internally displaced persons and people displaced due to conflict. See my previous post.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

or ..... OR...you are refugee from the SAME state. Think about THAT.

That would be an "internally displaced person".[/QUOTE]A refugee.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Earlier today, an IDF aircraft fired near a group of Gazans who were launching arson balloons in the southern Gaza Strip.

In addition, IDF troops detected a suspect who attempted to cross the security fence from the southern Gaza Strip in order to sabotage security infrastructure and attack IDF troops. The suspect was caught with combustible materials and a metal cutter and was transferred to security forces for further questioning.

(full article online)

IDF fires on balloon arsonists, captures infiltrator

 

[Sixties Fan]

For example, the effectiveness of Israel’s Iron Dome system notwithstanding, Hamas’s rocket/missile arsenal constrains Israel’s daily operational routine as IDF commanders must consider its possible employment in various confrontational scenarios. It is no secret that the balance of costs, risks, and opportunities that accompanies the decision to act in Gaza has become infinitely more complex since the disengagement.

Nor should it be forgotten that a border fence can also benefit Hamas. The fence does indeed help Israel in its effort to prevent hostile infiltration of its territory; but it also enables Hamas to grow stronger and to organize safely under its protective wing. Indeed, under the auspices of the spatial separation, Hamas has managed to build a regular military force comprising battalions and brigades, armed with a large below-ground rocket/missile arsenal and supported by an effective command and control system. None of this would be possible without the full realization of the Israeli leftwing concept of “they are there and we are here.” This is the source of the glaring difference between Hamas’s formidable military position in Gaza and its difficulties in building its strength in the West Bank.

(full article online)

The Illusion of Israeli-Palestinian Spatial Separation

 

[Sixties Fan]

One sentence in a page-one article of Haaretz's's English print edition yesterday packed in multiple errors. Headlined "Netanyahu: Israel to close commercial Gaza crossing over airborne firebombs," the article erred:

"Palestinians began flying the devices into Israel after many weeks of protests at the Gaza-Israel border in which over 130 demonstrators were killed by Israel Defense Forces sharpshooters and some 4,000 were wounded by live fire."


This sentence is wrong on multiple counts.

First, as Haaretz itself has previously reported, the kite attacks began less than two weeks after the "March of Return" events began on March 30, not after "many weeks of protests at the Gaza-Israel border." As Almog Ben Zikri reported April 16 ("Gazans Fly Firebombs Tied to Kites Into Israel, Sparking Several Blazes"):

(full article online)

CAMERA Snapshots: One <I>Haaretz</i> Page-One Sentence, Lots of Errors

 

[Sixties Fan]

The vast majority of the Palestinians believe that the so-called March of Return, the violent Hamas-led riots on Israel’s border with Gaza, achieved nothing.

Only 21 percent of the Palestinians believe the March of Return achieved most of its goals, while 74 percent believe it has not achieved its goals or achieved little, according to a poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research at the end of last month.

The March of Return was supposedly an attempt to break the “Israeli blockade.” After three and a half months of terrorism, nothing has changed.

It is worth noting that the Palestinian public is evenly divided in its assessment of who is the driving force behind the riots. Some think it is the Hamas terror organization and others think it is civil society organizations.

Gazans, however, show no hesitancy on this as they strongly believe that it is indeed Hamas that stands behind the initiation and organization of the March of Return. They are present at the scene of the violence, and therefore know the truth.

The truth is that the supposedly peaceful protests were violent riots, promoted by Hamas and executed mostly by terrorists.

(full article online)

Palestinian Poll: Hamas-Led March of Return Achieved Nothing

 

[Sixties Fan]

At least 40 fires raged in Gaza-adjacent communities in southern Israel on Wednesday as a result of burning kites and balloons launched from Gaza over the border fence as part of ongoing protests organized by Hamas, bringing the total number of fires set by the group's new tactic in the past three months to over 1,000.

The fires have laid waste to over 8,200 acres of forest and agricultural land, with damage totaling tens of millions of dollars. Experts say it will take at least 15 years to rehabilitate the vegetation and wildlife in the scorched areas.


(full article online)

http://www.israelhayom.com/2018/07/...t-with-1000-fires-in-3-months-of-gaza-terror/

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ Kill the Hamas leaders, already and save the people in Gaza ]

Hamas terror group planning to step up arson attacks on Israel, replace balloons and kites carrying incendiary devices with armed drones.

(full article online)

Report: Hamas planning drone attacks deep in Israeli territory

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

[ Kill the Hamas leaders, already and save the people in Gaza ]

Hamas terror group planning to step up arson attacks on Israel, replace balloons and kites carrying incendiary devices with armed drones.

(full article online)

Report: Hamas planning drone attacks deep in Israeli territory

Wait. Israel doesnt have a defined territory!

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ If it is Friday, it must be.........]

“Hamas continues to send civilians to the security fence, endangering their lives by using them as a cover for terror acts. The IDF will not allow security infrastructure to be damaged, and will operate to prevent violent rioters and terrorists from doing so,” it added.

Since March 30, Arabs have been holding weekly violent riots along the Gaza border and have been using kites and balloons with explosives attached in order to set fire to Israeli property.

The thousands of balloons and kites carrying incendiary and makeshift explosive devices have sparked hundreds of fires and caused millions of dollars in property damage inside Israel.

(full article online)

Gaza health ministry claims teen killed in violent riots


The so-called “March of the Return” protests have been openly encouraged by Gaza’s Hamas terrorist rulers.

 

[Slyhunter]

[ Kill the Hamas leaders, already and save the people in Gaza ]

Hamas terror group planning to step up arson attacks on Israel, replace balloons and kites carrying incendiary devices with armed drones.

(full article online)

Report: Hamas planning drone attacks deep in Israeli territory

Wait. Israel doesnt have a defined territory!

Yeah they do just follow the fence line.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

[ Kill the Hamas leaders, already and save the people in Gaza ]

Hamas terror group planning to step up arson attacks on Israel, replace balloons and kites carrying incendiary devices with armed drones.

(full article online)

Report: Hamas planning drone attacks deep in Israeli territory

Wait. Israel doesnt have a defined territory!

Yeah they do just follow the fence line.

Which fence?

 

[Slyhunter]

[ Kill the Hamas leaders, already and save the people in Gaza ]

Hamas terror group planning to step up arson attacks on Israel, replace balloons and kites carrying incendiary devices with armed drones.

(full article online)

Report: Hamas planning drone attacks deep in Israeli territory

Wait. Israel doesnt have a defined territory!

Yeah they do just follow the fence line.

Which fence?

The fence on the border.

 

[member]

'March of return' protests in Gaza enter fourth month

Entering fourth month and Israel too stupid to find a solution.

What is the solution for a retrograde politico-religious ideology that engenders such hate?

Hate / self-hate is a phenomenon that can be overcome if you let go of proscriptions within a politico-religious ideology that engenders hate / self hate. inshaAllah you can learn.... but maybe not.

My point.

Closing the border is the beginning of a viable solution. I wouldn't even allow humanitarian aid in if I were them but they're not me. Palestinians want peace they have to stop waging war first.

Tell me,

What would happen if the Palestinians stopped the violence?

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[Ecocertifmrl]

[ Kill the Hamas leaders, already and save the people in Gaza ]

Hamas terror group planning to step up arson attacks on Israel, replace balloons and kites carrying incendiary devices with armed drones.

(full article online)

Report: Hamas planning drone attacks deep in Israeli territory

Wait. Israel doesnt have a defined territory!

Yeah they do just follow the fence line.

Which fence?

The fence on the border.

What about the fences in Palestina?

 

[Slyhunter]

[ Kill the Hamas leaders, already and save the people in Gaza ]

Hamas terror group planning to step up arson attacks on Israel, replace balloons and kites carrying incendiary devices with armed drones.

(full article online)

Report: Hamas planning drone attacks deep in Israeli territory

Wait. Israel doesnt have a defined territory!

Yeah they do just follow the fence line.

Which fence?

The fence on the border.

What about the fences in Palestina?

Everyone there knows which fences will get you shot for crossing.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

Wait. Israel doesnt have a defined territory!

Yeah they do just follow the fence line.

Which fence?

The fence on the border.

What about the fences in Palestina?

Everyone there knows which fences will get you shot for crossing.

Everyone non-jew knows they can get shot by eny crossing.