Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I have never ducked that question.

I have posted them many many times. One might ask, of what value is it to deny the existence of these established demarcations?

The question that you have always ducked is how did Israel claim borders on Palestinian land?

(COMMENT)

It was never land sovereign to the Arab Palestinians (Palestinian Land).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I have never ducked that question.

I have posted them many many times. One might ask, of what value is it to deny the existence of these established demarcations?

The question that you have always ducked is how did Israel claim borders on Palestinian land?

(COMMENT)

It was never land sovereign to the Arab Palestinians (Palestinian Land).

Most Respectfully,
R

Ahhh, Israel's old "there is no Palestine" canard.

Palestine was never free from occupation. Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. It remains in the hands of the people.

It is well documented when Israel occupied Palestine but I have seen no documents of Israel legally acquiring clear title to that land.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Slow on the up-take are you???

Ahhh, Israel's old "there is no Palestine" canard.

Palestine was never free from occupation. Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. It remains in the hands of the people.

It is well documented when Israel occupied Palestine but I have seen no documents of Israel legally acquiring clear title to that land.

(COMMENT)

✪ POINT ONE:

◈ In contemporary times, Palestine did not become occupied until the Armistice of Mudros. For nearly 800 years prior, it was Sovereign to the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire (not the people).
◈ In contemporary times, the territory established as Palestine, under Mandatory Government, came under Civil Administration in 1920 when the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) stood-down.​

✪ POINT TWO:

◈ In contemporary times, Palestine was entrust to a Mandatory,
◈ In contemporary times, was a Political Entity created by the Allied Powers Powers,
◈ In contemporary times, was establish within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers,
◈ In contemporary times, no documentation is actually rerequired for Title and Rights. Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State (self-determination and territorial integrity) over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other States, the functions of a State.
◈ In contemporary times,​

✪ POINT THREE:

◈ In contemporary times, portions of the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied was occupied in 1948 by the Jordanian and Egyptian Governments.

✦ The West Bank and Jerusalem was Occupied by the (Arab) Hashemite Kingdom.
✦ The Gaza Strip was Occupied by the Egyptian Government.​

◈ In contemporary times (1967), the portions of the territory occupied in 1948 by the Jordanian and Egyptian Governments came under the effective control of Israel.

✦ The West Bank and portions of Jerusalem became Jordanian territory occupied by Israel.
✦ The Gaza Strip became The Egyptian Military Governorship occupied by Israel.​

✪ POINT FOUR:

◈ In contemporary times, the Arab Palestinians did not declare independence until 1988.

The Palestine National Council hereby declares,
in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people,
the establishment of the State of Palestine
in the land of Palestine
with its capital at Jerusalem.
​

✦ Territory undefined (other than to say "in the land of Palestine").
✦ No territory brought under Palestinian Control.​

◈ In very recent times, the undefiend territory was granted non-member observer state status.

✦ Territory undefined (other than to say "in the land of Palestine").
✦ Specifically stipulated "without prejudice to the PLO [PLO sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people - LAS Rabat Summit - resolution (28 October 1974)].​

The Arab Palestinian People, unable to form a coherent Government, speaking with one voice, with various factions calling the other illegitimate, have no true single statement of independent which includes all four of the following (simultaneously):

✪ a permanent population (HAMAS v Fatah);
✪ a defined territory (Gaza v West Bank v Jerusalem);
✪ government; (PA v HAMAS) and
✪ capacity to enter into relations with the other states (PA v HAMAS)​

There exist a question that pertains to the recognition of either faction of the Arab Palestinians to be viewed as 21st Century governments.

✪ First, the constituents of the HAMAS faction claims to support organizations that have been declared terrorist.
✪ Second, the constituents of the PA/PLO factions claims to provide financial incentives to the families that have conducted terrorist activities.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Slow on the up-take are you???

Ahhh, Israel's old "there is no Palestine" canard.

Palestine was never free from occupation. Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. It remains in the hands of the people.

It is well documented when Israel occupied Palestine but I have seen no documents of Israel legally acquiring clear title to that land.

(COMMENT)

✪ POINT ONE:

◈ In contemporary times, Palestine did not become occupied until the Armistice of Mudros. For nearly 800 years prior, it was Sovereign to the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire (not the people).
◈ In contemporary times, the territory established as Palestine, under Mandatory Government, came under Civil Administration in 1920 when the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) stood-down.​

✪ POINT TWO:

◈ In contemporary times, Palestine was entrust to a Mandatory,
◈ In contemporary times, was a Political Entity created by the Allied Powers Powers,
◈ In contemporary times, was establish within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers,
◈ In contemporary times, no documentation is actually rerequired for Title and Rights. Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State (self-determination and territorial integrity) over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other States, the functions of a State.
◈ In contemporary times,​

✪ POINT THREE:

◈ In contemporary times, portions of the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied was occupied in 1948 by the Jordanian and Egyptian Governments.

✦ The West Bank and Jerusalem was Occupied by the (Arab) Hashemite Kingdom.
✦ The Gaza Strip was Occupied by the Egyptian Government.​

◈ In contemporary times (1967), the portions of the territory occupied in 1948 by the Jordanian and Egyptian Governments came under the effective control of Israel.

✦ The West Bank and portions of Jerusalem became Jordanian territory occupied by Israel.
✦ The Gaza Strip became The Egyptian Military Governorship occupied by Israel.​

✪ POINT FOUR:

◈ In contemporary times, the Arab Palestinians did not declare independence until 1988.

The Palestine National Council hereby declares,
in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people,
the establishment of the State of Palestine
in the land of Palestine
with its capital at Jerusalem.
​

✦ Territory undefined (other than to say "in the land of Palestine").
✦ No territory brought under Palestinian Control.​

◈ In very recent times, the undefiend territory was granted non-member observer state status.

✦ Territory undefined (other than to say "in the land of Palestine").
✦ Specifically stipulated "without prejudice to the PLO [PLO sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people - LAS Rabat Summit - resolution (28 October 1974)].​

The Arab Palestinian People, unable to form a coherent Government, speaking with one voice, with various factions calling the other illegitimate, have no true single statement of independent which includes all four of the following (simultaneously):

✪ a permanent population (HAMAS v Fatah);
✪ a defined territory (Gaza v West Bank v Jerusalem);
✪ government; (PA v HAMAS) and
✪ capacity to enter into relations with the other states (PA v HAMAS)​

There exist a question that pertains to the recognition of either faction of the Arab Palestinians to be viewed as 21st Century governments.

✪ First, the constituents of the HAMAS faction claims to support organizations that have been declared terrorist.
✪ Second, the constituents of the PA/PLO factions claims to provide financial incentives to the families that have conducted terrorist activities.​

Most Respectfully,
R

You are dancing around the issue. How does any of that refute my post?

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Slow on the up-take are you???

Ahhh, Israel's old "there is no Palestine" canard.

Palestine was never free from occupation. Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. It remains in the hands of the people.

It is well documented when Israel occupied Palestine but I have seen no documents of Israel legally acquiring clear title to that land.

(COMMENT)

✪ POINT ONE:

◈ In contemporary times, Palestine did not become occupied until the Armistice of Mudros. For nearly 800 years prior, it was Sovereign to the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire (not the people).
◈ In contemporary times, the territory established as Palestine, under Mandatory Government, came under Civil Administration in 1920 when the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) stood-down.​

✪ POINT TWO:

◈ In contemporary times, Palestine was entrust to a Mandatory,
◈ In contemporary times, was a Political Entity created by the Allied Powers Powers,
◈ In contemporary times, was establish within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers,
◈ In contemporary times, no documentation is actually rerequired for Title and Rights. Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State (self-determination and territorial integrity) over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other States, the functions of a State.
◈ In contemporary times,​

✪ POINT THREE:

◈ In contemporary times, portions of the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied was occupied in 1948 by the Jordanian and Egyptian Governments.

✦ The West Bank and Jerusalem was Occupied by the (Arab) Hashemite Kingdom.
✦ The Gaza Strip was Occupied by the Egyptian Government.​

◈ In contemporary times (1967), the portions of the territory occupied in 1948 by the Jordanian and Egyptian Governments came under the effective control of Israel.

✦ The West Bank and portions of Jerusalem became Jordanian territory occupied by Israel.
✦ The Gaza Strip became The Egyptian Military Governorship occupied by Israel.​

✪ POINT FOUR:

◈ In contemporary times, the Arab Palestinians did not declare independence until 1988.

The Palestine National Council hereby declares,
in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people,
the establishment of the State of Palestine
in the land of Palestine
with its capital at Jerusalem.
​

✦ Territory undefined (other than to say "in the land of Palestine").
✦ No territory brought under Palestinian Control.​

◈ In very recent times, the undefiend territory was granted non-member observer state status.

✦ Territory undefined (other than to say "in the land of Palestine").
✦ Specifically stipulated "without prejudice to the PLO [PLO sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people - LAS Rabat Summit - resolution (28 October 1974)].​

The Arab Palestinian People, unable to form a coherent Government, speaking with one voice, with various factions calling the other illegitimate, have no true single statement of independent which includes all four of the following (simultaneously):

✪ a permanent population (HAMAS v Fatah);
✪ a defined territory (Gaza v West Bank v Jerusalem);
✪ government; (PA v HAMAS) and
✪ capacity to enter into relations with the other states (PA v HAMAS)​

There exist a question that pertains to the recognition of either faction of the Arab Palestinians to be viewed as 21st Century governments.

✪ First, the constituents of the HAMAS faction claims to support organizations that have been declared terrorist.
✪ Second, the constituents of the PA/PLO factions claims to provide financial incentives to the families that have conducted terrorist activities.​

Most Respectfully,
R

You are dancing around the issue. How does any of that refute my post?

With facts.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Each Point addresses each aspect of your posting.

You are dancing around the issue. How does any of that refute my post?

(COMMENT)

Point One addresses the "no Palesetinecannared" rhetoric.

Point Two addresses the "no Palestine" in relationship to "documents of Israel legally acquiring clear title to that land.."

Point Three addresses the "Israel occupied Palestine" rhetoric.

Point Four addresses the implication that there was a Arab Palestinian state to occupy.​

(OBSERVATION)

You should do more than just act blind and not apply the facts outline.

No matter how many different ways it is pointed out that the Arab Palestinians are not speaking with one voice, in respect to one piece of territory that they have established, with one government, → you come back with something ridiculous. I don't think I've seen you address any issue, point by point, such that the discussion can be followed.

You say that "Palestine" but you never make it clear as to whether it is the territory the British stake-out as they defined it for mandate purposes, or territory under Armistice in 1949, or the territory after the Jordanians abandon the West Bank, or the as it stands under the Areas of the Oslo Accords --- or just what the hell you are talking about.

When you talk about Occupation, you don't express whether that is the Post Mudros Armistice Occupation, the British Civil Administration, the Jordanian Occupation, the Egyptian Occupation, of the post Abandonment Occupation. Or what?

When you talk about the sovereignty being in the hands of the people, just what people are you talking about, and what people have what sovereignty.

THEN, you have the audacity to suggest that my post doesn't address your post. Huh!

Most Respectfully,
R[/QUOTE]

 

[P F Tinmore]

When you talk about the sovereignty being in the hands of the people, just what people are you talking about, and what people have what sovereignty.

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

It should be pointed out here that neither of the UN Resolutions are Law, or legally binding.

When you talk about the sovereignty being in the hands of the people, just what people are you talking about, and what people have what sovereignty.

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

(COMMENT)

• A/RES/3236 (XXIX) Inalienable Rights of 22 November 1974 •

✧ Refers to the PLO, the representative of the Palestinian people,
✧ The PLO did NOT Declare Independent until 14 Years Later.​

• A/RES/3237 (XXIX) PLO Observer Status 22 November 1974 •

✧ Invites the Palestine Liberation Organization to participate // NOT // the State of Palestine.
They are two entirely different political entities. The State of Palestine was accorded non-member observer State status in the United Nations [A/RES/67/19 Status of Palestine in the United Nations (4/12/2012)], 38 years later, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization.
✧ The PLO still has Observer Status at the UN.
✧ This resolution comes 7 years after the Six Day War.​

• It should be noted that any Right of Independency and Sovereignty claimed by the Arab Palestinians in either 1974, could have been claimed prior to 1974 by the Israelis.

* The entire West Bank was handed over to the Israelis who have effective control over the territory prior to the creation of the State of Palestine.

(QUESTION)

What Rule of Law (RoL) are you applying when you suggest that the Arab Palestinians may "interfere" with the Israelis in their advance toward "self-determination?"

Do the Arab Palestinians have the right to demand control of that territory which is already in the hands of Israel?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

It should be pointed out here that neither of the UN Resolutions are Law, or legally binding.

When you talk about the sovereignty being in the hands of the people, just what people are you talking about, and what people have what sovereignty.

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

(COMMENT)

• A/RES/3236 (XXIX) Inalienable Rights of 22 November 1974 •

✧ Refers to the PLO, the representative of the Palestinian people,
✧ The PLO did NOT Declare Independent until 14 Years Later.​

• A/RES/3237 (XXIX) PLO Observer Status 22 November 1974 •

✧ Invites the Palestine Liberation Organization to participate // NOT // the State of Palestine.
They are two entirely different political entities. The State of Palestine was accorded non-member observer State status in the United Nations [A/RES/67/19 Status of Palestine in the United Nations (4/12/2012)], 38 years later, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization.
✧ The PLO still has Observer Status at the UN.
✧ This resolution comes 7 years after the Six Day War.​

• It should be noted that any Right of Independency and Sovereignty claimed by the Arab Palestinians in either 1974, could have been claimed prior to 1974 by the Israelis.

* The entire West Bank was handed over to the Israelis who have effective control over the territory prior to the creation of the State of Palestine.

(QUESTION)

What Rule of Law (RoL) are you applying when you suggest that the Arab Palestinians may "interfere" with the Israelis in their advance toward "self-determination?"

Do the Arab Palestinians have the right to demand control of that territory which is already in the hands of Israel?

Most Respectfully,
R

It should be pointed out here that neither of the UN Resolutions are Law, or legally binding.

True, however, this resolution references international law which is binding with or without the resolution.

What Rule of Law (RoL) are you applying when you suggest that the Arab Palestinians may "interfere" with the Israelis in their advance toward "self-determination?"

They don't.

Do the Arab Palestinians have the right to demand control of that territory which is already in the hands of Israel?

That is the question that you have been ducking for years. How did Palestine get into the hands of Israel? Everything that I have seen says it was captured by force which is illegal.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Not really a wise thing to do. Trouble by Sunday, perhaps?

Hamas to Swarm Israel's Border, Sparking Fear of New 'Passover War'

Cluster bomb those a-holes.

Hopefully they'll get Kamala Harris and Cory Booker in the middle of them....

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

These are not even the basic questions faced today.

It should be pointed out here that neither of the UN Resolutions are Law, or legally binding.

True, however, this resolution references international law which is binding with or without the resolution.

(COMMENT)

Well, let's see...
✧→ A/RES/3236 (XXIX) 22 November 1974 •

Does not cite or reference any other document that could be construed as International Law; except "Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations," But THEN so are the Israelis. The Charter is universally applicable to all members. In 1974, the Palestinians were not even a member. This is what is called a feel-good line.​

✧→ A/RES/3237 (XXIX) 22 November 1974 •
Recalls its Resolution 3102 (XXVIII) of 12 December 1973 •

This resolution, again, cites no International Law pointed to the Israeli - Palestinian Conflict. It Urges that the national liberation movements recognized by the various regional intergovernmental organizations concerned be invited to participate in the Diplomatic Conference - and - it Urges that instruction concerning such rules be provided to armed forces and information concerning the same rules be given to civilians everywhere, with a view to securing their strict observance. But otherwise, noting specific to the conflict under discussion.
​

Let's set your observation aside a moment. Does either of these two documents suggest or reference a pre-existing Palestinian State? I think not.

What Rule of Law (RoL) are you applying when you suggest that the Arab Palestinians may "interfere" with the Israelis in their advance toward "self-determination?"

They don't.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian argument is that the Israelis have effective control over territory in which the Arab Palestinian has a right to national independence and sovereignty; taking the territory by force from the Israelis. The Israelis, acquired the effective control over territory while in the defense of their Independence and Sovereign Territory against Arab League military interference. Nothing prohibits the Israelis establishing the effective control.

Further, the territory in question came from either the Hashemite Kingdom or the Egyptian Military Governorship in Gaza. NOT grasped from the Arab Palestinians.

Do the Arab Palestinians have the right to demand control of that territory which is already in the hands of Israel?

That is the question that you have been ducking for years. How did Palestine get into the hands of Israel? Everything that I have seen says it was captured by force which is illegal.

(COMMENT)

Again, I have not been ducking that question at all. I have consistently held that the Right of Self-determination and the Right of Sovereignty and Independence are "Negative Rights."

• Negative vs. Positive Rights •
​

ARE NOT "positive rights" for the Arab Palestinians to demand Israel provide them Right of Self-determination and the Right of Sovereignty and Independence specific to some territory already under the control of the Israelis.

Israeli is NOT required to take any action to fulfill the Arab Palestinian Right of Self-determination and the Right of Sovereignty and Independence. If the Israelis want to relinquish control of some plot of territory to the Arab Palestinians for the express purpose of enacting their rights - that is one thing - a courtesy. But the Arab Palestinians have NO Right to territory acquired by the Israelis from either the Jordanians or Egyptians.

The Israelis took nothing from the Arab Palestinians in either 1948, 1967, or 1973 Wars (for which there are Treaties that settle those disputes); and the Israelis do no owe the Arab Palestinians anything other than what was agreed upon AFTER the Oslo Accords.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

"Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations," But THEN so are the Israelis.

I haven't seen that anywhere.

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Does either of these two documents suggest or reference a pre-existing Palestinian State? I think not.

Yes they do.

Recognizing that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,

Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

A/RES/3236 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974​

Recognizing, Recalling, Reaffirms, all suggest a condition that pre dates the resolution. What event in Palestine's history could trigger these pre existing rights? The only one I could find is Palestine's creation in 1924.

 

[Hollie]

Does either of these two documents suggest or reference a pre-existing Palestinian State? I think not.

Yes they do.

Recognizing that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,

Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

A/RES/3236 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974​

Recognizing, Recalling, Reaffirms, all suggest a condition that pre dates the resolution. What event in Palestine's history could trigger these pre existing rights? The only one I could find is Palestine's creation in 1924.

The “country of Pal’istan” you insist was created by the Treaty of Lausanne?

Not that nonsense again.

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ I am transferring my last responses to Billo, who seems intent in discussing the Gaza border in the Boycott thread ]

↑
↑
[And now.....let us see Billo find the article which says that anyone from Gaza threw a stone or rock against the IDF from 300 feet away and was shot at.

Let us see it, Billo. You are so kin in being in the wrong thread making as much noise as you can about this "300 feet" that I want to see who was shot and actually how far they were.

Lets have it.

Take your time.
You shot a medic giving care from 300 feet, so **** you! ]



I did not shoot anyone, ill mannered baffoon. And there is a background to why the medic was shot. Look it up in the right thread.

Question:

Why do you insist in dragging this thread towards the wrong topic?
Why can you not go to the right thread, here, let me help you since you are only capable of spewing venom and incapable of thinking :

Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border


Now, come to the thread above and discuss what is going on at the border there.

If you do not want to, then you truly show how Fd you are.

 

[Sixties Fan]

[
↑Susha:
Oh please. Give me a break. If you are on "your" land and you are planting explosives along the fence and throwing grenades at me and aiming guns at me, I have every right to defend myself.

The idea that you have to cross over into my land before I defend myself from your attacks is ridiculous.


Billo:
If I'm planting explosives on my land, that's none of your god-damn business! ]



It is the US, or any other country's business if the enemy is planting explosives by the border fence in order to destroy the fence and the enemy's intention is to invade the US or any other country.

You are not dumb, you just like to play at being one.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I get it, so you are just guessing. You don't have any actual data to support your claim.

Does either of these two documents suggest or reference a pre-existing Palestinian State? I think not.

Yes they do.

Recognizing that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,

Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

A/RES/3236 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974​

Recognizing, Recalling, Reaffirms, all suggest a condition that pre dates the resolution. What event in Palestine's history could trigger these pre-existing rights? The only one I could find is Palestine's creation in 1924.

(COMMENT)

There is no pre-existing right to a Palestinian state dating back to 1924. The Government of Palestine of 1924 was the UK Mandate Responsibility. No Government, not even when asked, was composed of any Arabs of Palestine.

You are just making this up as you go along.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I get it, so you are just guessing. You don't have any actual data to support your claim.

Does either of these two documents suggest or reference a pre-existing Palestinian State? I think not.

Yes they do.

Recognizing that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,

Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

A/RES/3236 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974​

Recognizing, Recalling, Reaffirms, all suggest a condition that pre dates the resolution. What event in Palestine's history could trigger these pre-existing rights? The only one I could find is Palestine's creation in 1924.

(COMMENT)

There is no pre-existing right to a Palestinian state dating back to 1924. The Government of Palestine of 1924 was the UK Mandate Responsibility. No Government, not even when asked, was composed of any Arabs of Palestine.

You are just making this up as you go along.

Most Respectfully,
R

As you have noticed, Tinmore never has any actual facts to bring to the discussions.

Everything he says is based on his dream on how he wishes Israel did not exist and all the ways and forms he comes up with to "prove" that Israel does not have the right to exist.

His Christian heart, or Muslim heart, cannot deal with the idea that the Jews are not TOTALLY at the mercy of Christianity and Islam anymore.

Tough, Tinmore, tough

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ Here is a post of what was going on the day the medic was shot ]

LTC (R) Peter Lerner on Twitter

#IDF released footage from yesterday revealing some of the challenges in differentiating medical staff from violent rioters. First image is a white coated person with bolt cutters trying to breach the fence. Second image shows many white coats adjacent to the fence.

(vide video on the tweeter link )

Pro-Israel Bay Bloggers: Are Medics the latest Human shields in Gaza?


Now Billo, here is the problem the IDF faces at the Gaza border:

Many from Gaza seem to not be medics but are wearing medic white coats. I won't even ask why.

You seem to think that the IDF just goes around shooting the people in Gaza for no reason. The Medic was clearly a possibly mistake, but a mistake which would have been avoided if NON MEDICS were not going around wearing white coats to look like medics while they try to plant explosives or breach the fence.


Accept it or not, that is what is going on from the Hamas side.
Hamas will do anything to invade Israel, while making its side look like the victims they never were.

The victims, are all of those in Gaza who believe what Hamas sells, or need money to eat, and end up going to these protests and coming near they fence when they should be away from it.

AND, by the way, most of those shot at by the fence ARE members of Hamas.


I hope this post has cleared your confusion as to what happened to the medic, and what is really going on over there, since your drone does not seem to be functioning and cannot get there to find out more about anything that goes on there.

Am Israel Chai

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ This is another post from the time of the Medic's death. It deals with all the misinformation which apparently was going on at the time about was she was wearing, where she was shot, etc....]

Contradictions in Palestinian Accounts of Death of Razan Najjar