Palestinians demand return of "their" heritage -- Dead Sea Scolls

[rylah]

I assure you the Jewish people are not extinct.

It is believed by scholars that the sect which created the Dead Sea Scrolls became extinct about the first century CE.

It is believed by scholars (and reasonable people) that the sect which created the Dead Sea Scrolls wa a Jewish sect, living in Judea.

A sect now extinct.

The Phillistines are extinct, no one today represents their culture.
However the modern Jews are the representatives of those Judean sects, observing culture and rituals which were practiced long before that sect.

No they don't. They practice Rabbinical Judaism, not Temple Judaism. How many animals do modern Jewish people sacrifice to their deity, for example? Do they still stone people to death?

So is the fact that the Temple was destroyed makes Jews less Jewish?

Jews today practice many rituals that were practiced before King David built the 1st Temple. We still put Teffilin and Tsitsit, circumcise on the 8th day, eat kosher blessing the food, put Mezuza on the door frame, keep Shabbas, Kippur, build Sukkos and many more of the commandments that were given to us by our Chief Rabbi Moses (centuries before the temple).

Jews still sacrifice (or pay to do so) 1 chicken per person before the Yom Kippur.

About stoning and other punishments- you don't know enough and have very shallow understanding of the subject (probably due to your christian upbringing). Jews rarely stoned anyone, it's not a short and simple process to judge a person for death sentence, a court in in Israel that would sentence to death once in 70 years- was called cruel.
Today it's impossible due to the fact that we don't have Sanhedrin.

You clearly have no clue, if you want argue about Judaism at least study a book.

 

[rylah]

An Evangelical poster once said that there was a joke going around about the Messiah. When the Messiah arrives in Israel, the taxi driver asks him if this is his first or second visit.

All this trying to prove that the scrolls didn't belong to the Jews is mind boggling. If this happened in the time of Jesus and his Essene Sect, he and they would be amazed how the anti-Semites can't bear to see the Jews have part of their heritage. I would be willing to bet that the anti-Semites didn't give two hoots when those Buddhist statues were destroyed by the Taliban. No Jews were involved so why should they waste their time on something like that.

The desecration of ancient art and artifacts amounts to the destruction of humanity's heritage ... our history

So what's your stance on balestinians destroying the artifacts around the Temple Mount, using bulldozers to just pile what they dig around it into garbage sites?

Forgive me but your anti-Palestinian tone prevents me from answering.

Another convenient running away from simple questions.
In other words you have nothing....Just don't let the Jews have their heritage.

Do you have ANYTHING related to to the OP?

There is no mention of "balestinians" in the OP. Do you have spellcheck, I wonder.

So you have nothing and unable to argue or answer anything in a straight manner, then grasp at the last straw of grammar of a language you have no idea of.

Just go and ask an Arab in the ME to say "Palestine" or "People"...just don't be too amazed at the fact that you were fooled, because they cannot pronounce their country's name.

Unlike Arabic, Hebrew and Latin have a "p" in the alphabet, which proves a lot, but that's another subject.

 

[Eloy]

The desecration of ancient art and artifacts amounts to the destruction of humanity's heritage ... our history

So what's your stance on balestinians destroying the artifacts around the Temple Mount, using bulldozers to just pile what they dig around it into garbage sites?

Forgive me but your anti-Palestinian tone prevents me from answering.

Another convenient running away from simple questions.
In other words you have nothing....Just don't let the Jews have their heritage.

Do you have ANYTHING related to to the OP?

There is no mention of "balestinians" in the OP. Do you have spellcheck, I wonder.

So you have nothing and unable to argue or answer anything in a straight manner, then grasp at the last straw of grammar of a language you have no idea of.

Just go and ask an Arab in the ME to say "Palestine" or "People"...just don't be too amazed at the fact that you were fooled, because they cannot pronounce their country's name.

Unlike Arabic, Hebrew and Latin have a "p" in the alphabet, which proves a lot, but that's another subject.

Lots of people use their own pronunciation for their countries rather than the English and we do not mock them. The Spanish say España. Ask a Spaniard to say Spain and many cannot because Spanish words that begin with an S have an E sound before it.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

So what's your stance on balestinians destroying the artifacts around the Temple Mount, using bulldozers to just pile what they dig around it into garbage sites?

Forgive me but your anti-Palestinian tone prevents me from answering.

Another convenient running away from simple questions.
In other words you have nothing....Just don't let the Jews have their heritage.

Do you have ANYTHING related to to the OP?

There is no mention of "balestinians" in the OP. Do you have spellcheck, I wonder.

So you have nothing and unable to argue or answer anything in a straight manner, then grasp at the last straw of grammar of a language you have no idea of.

Just go and ask an Arab in the ME to say "Palestine" or "People"...just don't be too amazed at the fact that you were fooled, because they cannot pronounce their country's name.

Unlike Arabic, Hebrew and Latin have a "p" in the alphabet, which proves a lot, but that's another subject.

Lots of people use their own pronunciation for their countries rather than the English and we do not mock them. The Spanish say España. Ask a Spaniard to say Spain and many cannot because Spanish words that begin with an S have an E sound before it.

But they can at least pronounce the S sound.

 

[Eloy]

Forgive me but your anti-Palestinian tone prevents me from answering.

Another convenient running away from simple questions.
In other words you have nothing....Just don't let the Jews have their heritage.

Do you have ANYTHING related to to the OP?

There is no mention of "balestinians" in the OP. Do you have spellcheck, I wonder.

So you have nothing and unable to argue or answer anything in a straight manner, then grasp at the last straw of grammar of a language you have no idea of.

Just go and ask an Arab in the ME to say "Palestine" or "People"...just don't be too amazed at the fact that you were fooled, because they cannot pronounce their country's name.

Unlike Arabic, Hebrew and Latin have a "p" in the alphabet, which proves a lot, but that's another subject.

Lots of people use their own pronunciation for their countries rather than the English and we do not mock them. The Spanish say España. Ask a Spaniard to say Spain and many cannot because Spanish words that begin with an S have an E sound before it.

But they can at least pronounce the S sound.

Did you know that Filipinos cannot pronounce "The Philippines"? You see, they have no sound for the letter F.
I hate to say this but your whole attitude in this shows your own lack of education.

 

[rylah]

So what's your stance on balestinians destroying the artifacts around the Temple Mount, using bulldozers to just pile what they dig around it into garbage sites?

Forgive me but your anti-Palestinian tone prevents me from answering.

Another convenient running away from simple questions.
In other words you have nothing....Just don't let the Jews have their heritage.

Do you have ANYTHING related to to the OP?

There is no mention of "balestinians" in the OP. Do you have spellcheck, I wonder.

So you have nothing and unable to argue or answer anything in a straight manner, then grasp at the last straw of grammar of a language you have no idea of.

Just go and ask an Arab in the ME to say "Palestine" or "People"...just don't be too amazed at the fact that you were fooled, because they cannot pronounce their country's name.

Unlike Arabic, Hebrew and Latin have a "p" in the alphabet, which proves a lot, but that's another subject.

Lots of people use their own pronunciation for their countries rather than the English and we do not mock them. The Spanish say España. Ask a Spaniard to say Spain and many cannot because Spanish words that begin with an S have an E sound before it.

Yes but Spain is called Espana because of Spanish people, and it's not that they cannot pronounce the letter "s" at all, they just add a vowel before it.
On the other hand Palestine is called so because of Romans who took the name from Hebrew, and Arabs just cant pronounce it even relatively close. BTW "palestine" is "the land of invaders" in ancient Hebrew

 

[rylah]

Another convenient running away from simple questions.
In other words you have nothing....Just don't let the Jews have their heritage.

Do you have ANYTHING related to to the OP?

There is no mention of "balestinians" in the OP. Do you have spellcheck, I wonder.

So you have nothing and unable to argue or answer anything in a straight manner, then grasp at the last straw of grammar of a language you have no idea of.

Just go and ask an Arab in the ME to say "Palestine" or "People"...just don't be too amazed at the fact that you were fooled, because they cannot pronounce their country's name.

Unlike Arabic, Hebrew and Latin have a "p" in the alphabet, which proves a lot, but that's another subject.

Lots of people use their own pronunciation for their countries rather than the English and we do not mock them. The Spanish say España. Ask a Spaniard to say Spain and many cannot because Spanish words that begin with an S have an E sound before it.

But they can at least pronounce the S sound.

Did you know that Filipinos cannot pronounce "The Philippines"? You see, they have no sound for the letter F.
I hate to say this but your whole attitude in this shows your own lack of education.

Again do you have anything on the subject?
When are you going to answer the questions you derail from every time?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Challenger, Shusha, RYLAH, FOREVERYOUNG436, HOSSFLY, ELOY, et al,

There are a couple of things we glean here, in this discussion.

• There are those who would believe anything that would further the anti-Israeli cause.
• There are those who would believe that ancient artifacts written (predominately) in Hebrew and Aramaic (with a small percentage written in other languages) have no common source within the developing Jewish Culture. As if Hebrew was principle language of the Arab at between 200 BC and 200 AD when the bulk of the scrolls were created.
• There were found Books of Deuteronomy and Isaiah, as well as Psalms attributed to King David (Humm, just imagine - I'm hard pressed to associate King David with being an Arab or zionist myth) and Joshua. Are they not early Key Jewish Personalities?
  • What was the name of David's Kingdom? (I forget!)
• There are those who would ignore the discovery of ancient Hebrew text (like The Isaiah Scroll - making it a bit of a mystery, but not Arab) that are a millennium older than any other known copy.

Zionism didn't create the Dead Sea Scrolls

Just another ridiculous attempt to disconnect the Jewish people from our past and history.

What past? What history? You mean the made up Zionist mythology that you push with such enthusiasm? Modern Jewish people are part of a religious group with little to no connection to Palestine other than the fact that for a while Jerusalem was the cult centre.

Most Judeans were never "exiled" by the Romans (who, incidentally, did a thorough job of exterminating the Jewish religious rebel fanatics they came across), they remained and eventually converted to Christianity, then Islam. The real Judeans are the native Palestinians ethnically cleansed by the European Zionist colonists, or living under their brutal occupation.

(COMMENT)

I am still looking for actual evidence that would support the claim that the discovery of these artifacts, which demonstrate a connection to the present day Jewish Culture, are "Zionist Mythology." Zionism was established as a political platform in mid-19th Century; most closely associated with Theodor Herzl, and the re-constitution of the Jewish National Home. The mid-20th Century discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls would seem to rule-out any Mythology associated with the Independence of Israel.

Those that rewrite the history of the Middle East, are unlikely to be convinced by any facts or discoveries.

Most Respectfully,
R

Excellent post. The majority of the Dead Sea Scrolls are in Hebrew--the language of the Jewish People with only a few in Aramaic (the language of the Talmud), and in Greek. All of the books of the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible), with the sole exception of Esther, are represented. The Dead Sea Scrolls are not in Arabic, nor do they contain the Quran or even the New Testament.

 

[Eloy]

There is no mention of "balestinians" in the OP. Do you have spellcheck, I wonder.

So you have nothing and unable to argue or answer anything in a straight manner, then grasp at the last straw of grammar of a language you have no idea of.

Just go and ask an Arab in the ME to say "Palestine" or "People"...just don't be too amazed at the fact that you were fooled, because they cannot pronounce their country's name.

Unlike Arabic, Hebrew and Latin have a "p" in the alphabet, which proves a lot, but that's another subject.

Lots of people use their own pronunciation for their countries rather than the English and we do not mock them. The Spanish say España. Ask a Spaniard to say Spain and many cannot because Spanish words that begin with an S have an E sound before it.

But they can at least pronounce the S sound.

Did you know that Filipinos cannot pronounce "The Philippines"? You see, they have no sound for the letter F.
I hate to say this but your whole attitude in this shows your own lack of education.

Again do you have anything on the subject?
When are you going to answer the questions you derail from every time?

I answer every polite question.

 

[rylah]

So you have nothing and unable to argue or answer anything in a straight manner, then grasp at the last straw of grammar of a language you have no idea of.

Just go and ask an Arab in the ME to say "Palestine" or "People"...just don't be too amazed at the fact that you were fooled, because they cannot pronounce their country's name.

Unlike Arabic, Hebrew and Latin have a "p" in the alphabet, which proves a lot, but that's another subject.

Lots of people use their own pronunciation for their countries rather than the English and we do not mock them. The Spanish say España. Ask a Spaniard to say Spain and many cannot because Spanish words that begin with an S have an E sound before it.

But they can at least pronounce the S sound.

Did you know that Filipinos cannot pronounce "The Philippines"? You see, they have no sound for the letter F.
I hate to say this but your whole attitude in this shows your own lack of education.

Again do you have anything on the subject?
When are you going to answer the questions you derail from every time?

I answer every polite question.

Oh the tender soul...

So how do you feel about the palestinians bulldozing the ancient artifacts on the Temple Mount?
How do you feel about Jordan taking ancient Jewish tomb stones from Jerusalem and building roads with them, and hotels on them?

 

[Eloy]

Lots of people use their own pronunciation for their countries rather than the English and we do not mock them. The Spanish say España. Ask a Spaniard to say Spain and many cannot because Spanish words that begin with an S have an E sound before it.

But they can at least pronounce the S sound.

Did you know that Filipinos cannot pronounce "The Philippines"? You see, they have no sound for the letter F.
I hate to say this but your whole attitude in this shows your own lack of education.

Again do you have anything on the subject?
When are you going to answer the questions you derail from every time?

I answer every polite question.

Oh the tender soul...

So how do you feel about the palestinians bulldozing the ancient artifacts on the Temple Mount?
How do you feel about Jordan taking ancient Jewish tomb stones from Jerusalem and building roads with them, and hotels on them?

If "Temple Mount" takes capital letters then so does Palestinians.
However, I wrote earlier in this thread that desecration of historic importance is wrong and such sites ought to be respected and this goes for Jewish tombstones as well.

 

[rylah]

But they can at least pronounce the S sound.

Did you know that Filipinos cannot pronounce "The Philippines"? You see, they have no sound for the letter F.
I hate to say this but your whole attitude in this shows your own lack of education.

Again do you have anything on the subject?
When are you going to answer the questions you derail from every time?

I answer every polite question.

Oh the tender soul...

So how do you feel about the palestinians bulldozing the ancient artifacts on the Temple Mount?
How do you feel about Jordan taking ancient Jewish tomb stones from Jerusalem and building roads with them, and hotels on them?

If "Temple Mount" takes capital letters then so does Palestinians.
However, I wrote earlier in this thread that desecration of historic importance is wrong and such sites ought to be respected and this goes for Jewish tombstones as well.

I speak Hebrew and the word 'palestine' came from a Hebrew verb which means- to invade. I don't think a verb deserves a capital letter.
On the other hand Temple Mount is the sacred place for the Jews, and an ancient historic site that deserves full respect and awe.

So how do you agree with the Romans' desecration, destruction and theft of ancient ritual tools like the Menorah? Should the Jews demand Vatican to return them?

 

[Eloy]

Did you know that Filipinos cannot pronounce "The Philippines"? You see, they have no sound for the letter F.
I hate to say this but your whole attitude in this shows your own lack of education.

Again do you have anything on the subject?
When are you going to answer the questions you derail from every time?

I answer every polite question.

Oh the tender soul...

So how do you feel about the palestinians bulldozing the ancient artifacts on the Temple Mount?
How do you feel about Jordan taking ancient Jewish tomb stones from Jerusalem and building roads with them, and hotels on them?

If "Temple Mount" takes capital letters then so does Palestinians.
However, I wrote earlier in this thread that desecration of historic importance is wrong and such sites ought to be respected and this goes for Jewish tombstones as well.

I speak Hebrew and the word 'palestine' came from a Hebrew verb which means- to invade. I don't think a verb deserves a capital letter.
On the other hand Temple Mount is the sacred place for the Jews, and an ancient historic site that deserves full respect and awe.

So how do you agree with the Romans' desecration, destruction and theft of ancient ritual tools like the Menorah? Should the Jews demand Vatican to return them?

That was too long ago to worry about.

 

[rylah]

Again do you have anything on the subject?
When are you going to answer the questions you derail from every time?

I answer every polite question.

Oh the tender soul...

So how do you feel about the palestinians bulldozing the ancient artifacts on the Temple Mount?
How do you feel about Jordan taking ancient Jewish tomb stones from Jerusalem and building roads with them, and hotels on them?

If "Temple Mount" takes capital letters then so does Palestinians.
However, I wrote earlier in this thread that desecration of historic importance is wrong and such sites ought to be respected and this goes for Jewish tombstones as well.

I speak Hebrew and the word 'palestine' came from a Hebrew verb which means- to invade. I don't think a verb deserves a capital letter.
On the other hand Temple Mount is the sacred place for the Jews, and an ancient historic site that deserves full respect and awe.

So how do you agree with the Romans' desecration, destruction and theft of ancient ritual tools like the Menorah? Should the Jews demand Vatican to return them?

That was too long ago to worry about.

Oh I'll remember that answer...

It's funny you say so in a thread about historic artifacts..."they're too ancient to worry about" is that what you're saying?

 

[Eloy]

I answer every polite question.

Oh the tender soul...

So how do you feel about the palestinians bulldozing the ancient artifacts on the Temple Mount?
How do you feel about Jordan taking ancient Jewish tomb stones from Jerusalem and building roads with them, and hotels on them?

If "Temple Mount" takes capital letters then so does Palestinians.
However, I wrote earlier in this thread that desecration of historic importance is wrong and such sites ought to be respected and this goes for Jewish tombstones as well.

I speak Hebrew and the word 'palestine' came from a Hebrew verb which means- to invade. I don't think a verb deserves a capital letter.
On the other hand Temple Mount is the sacred place for the Jews, and an ancient historic site that deserves full respect and awe.

So how do you agree with the Romans' desecration, destruction and theft of ancient ritual tools like the Menorah? Should the Jews demand Vatican to return them?

That was too long ago to worry about.

Oh I'll remember that answer...

It's funny you say so in a thread about historic artifacts..."they're too ancient to worry about" is that what you're saying?

When you find a way to prosecute some long-dead centurion for a war crime, let us know.

 

[rylah]

Again do you have anything on the subject?
When are you going to answer the questions you derail from every time?

I answer every polite question.

Oh the tender soul...

So how do you feel about the palestinians bulldozing the ancient artifacts on the Temple Mount?
How do you feel about Jordan taking ancient Jewish tomb stones from Jerusalem and building roads with them, and hotels on them?

If "Temple Mount" takes capital letters then so does Palestinians.
However, I wrote earlier in this thread that desecration of historic importance is wrong and such sites ought to be respected and this goes for Jewish tombstones as well.

I speak Hebrew and the word 'palestine' came from a Hebrew verb which means- to invade. I don't think a verb deserves a capital letter.
On the other hand Temple Mount is the sacred place for the Jews, and an ancient historic site that deserves full respect and awe.

So how do you agree with the Romans' desecration, destruction and theft of ancient ritual tools like the Menorah? Should the Jews demand Vatican to return them?

That was too long ago to worry about.

Actually i think i get you- this issue has nothing to do with you personally, it's not your heritage, not your language or culture, therefore you can stand aside and play judge with other people's treasures just to be amused.

 

[Eloy]

I answer every polite question.

Oh the tender soul...

So how do you feel about the palestinians bulldozing the ancient artifacts on the Temple Mount?
How do you feel about Jordan taking ancient Jewish tomb stones from Jerusalem and building roads with them, and hotels on them?

If "Temple Mount" takes capital letters then so does Palestinians.
However, I wrote earlier in this thread that desecration of historic importance is wrong and such sites ought to be respected and this goes for Jewish tombstones as well.

I speak Hebrew and the word 'palestine' came from a Hebrew verb which means- to invade. I don't think a verb deserves a capital letter.
On the other hand Temple Mount is the sacred place for the Jews, and an ancient historic site that deserves full respect and awe.

So how do you agree with the Romans' desecration, destruction and theft of ancient ritual tools like the Menorah? Should the Jews demand Vatican to return them?

That was too long ago to worry about.

Actually i think i get you- this issue has nothing to do with you personally, it's not your heritage, not your language or culture, therefore you can stand aside and play judge with other people's treasures just to be amused.

You are correct in the sense that I am neither a Jew nor a Muslim which means I can have a measure of objectivity.

 

[rylah]

Oh the tender soul...

So how do you feel about the palestinians bulldozing the ancient artifacts on the Temple Mount?
How do you feel about Jordan taking ancient Jewish tomb stones from Jerusalem and building roads with them, and hotels on them?

If "Temple Mount" takes capital letters then so does Palestinians.
However, I wrote earlier in this thread that desecration of historic importance is wrong and such sites ought to be respected and this goes for Jewish tombstones as well.

I speak Hebrew and the word 'palestine' came from a Hebrew verb which means- to invade. I don't think a verb deserves a capital letter.
On the other hand Temple Mount is the sacred place for the Jews, and an ancient historic site that deserves full respect and awe.

So how do you agree with the Romans' desecration, destruction and theft of ancient ritual tools like the Menorah? Should the Jews demand Vatican to return them?

That was too long ago to worry about.

Oh I'll remember that answer...

It's funny you say so in a thread about historic artifacts..."they're too ancient to worry about" is that what you're saying?

When you find a way to prosecute some long-dead centurion for a war crime, let us know.

Don't care about any roman, just return the national symbols of our nation and our Holy Temple.

But you know what- Jews have every right to demand reparation from the Vatican for centuries of theft, prosecution and later support of Nazism.

 

[Eloy]

If "Temple Mount" takes capital letters then so does Palestinians.
However, I wrote earlier in this thread that desecration of historic importance is wrong and such sites ought to be respected and this goes for Jewish tombstones as well.

I speak Hebrew and the word 'palestine' came from a Hebrew verb which means- to invade. I don't think a verb deserves a capital letter.
On the other hand Temple Mount is the sacred place for the Jews, and an ancient historic site that deserves full respect and awe.

So how do you agree with the Romans' desecration, destruction and theft of ancient ritual tools like the Menorah? Should the Jews demand Vatican to return them?

That was too long ago to worry about.

Oh I'll remember that answer...

It's funny you say so in a thread about historic artifacts..."they're too ancient to worry about" is that what you're saying?

When you find a way to prosecute some long-dead centurion for a war crime, let us know.

Don't care about any roman, just return the national symbols of our nation and our Holy Temple.

But you know what- Jews have every right to demand reparation from the Vatican for centuries of theft, prosecution and later support of Nazism.

I believe you have lost the plot.

 

[rylah]

Oh the tender soul...

So how do you feel about the palestinians bulldozing the ancient artifacts on the Temple Mount?
How do you feel about Jordan taking ancient Jewish tomb stones from Jerusalem and building roads with them, and hotels on them?

If "Temple Mount" takes capital letters then so does Palestinians.
However, I wrote earlier in this thread that desecration of historic importance is wrong and such sites ought to be respected and this goes for Jewish tombstones as well.

I speak Hebrew and the word 'palestine' came from a Hebrew verb which means- to invade. I don't think a verb deserves a capital letter.
On the other hand Temple Mount is the sacred place for the Jews, and an ancient historic site that deserves full respect and awe.

So how do you agree with the Romans' desecration, destruction and theft of ancient ritual tools like the Menorah? Should the Jews demand Vatican to return them?

That was too long ago to worry about.

Actually i think i get you- this issue has nothing to do with you personally, it's not your heritage, not your language or culture, therefore you can stand aside and play judge with other people's treasures just to be amused.

You are correct in the sense that I am neither a Jew nor a Muslim which means I can have a measure of objectivity.

No advocating for Vatican doesn't make you anymore objective, quiet the opposite. It makes you an advocate for those who actually RAPED the Jewish culture, scripture, flesh, and still hold the artifacts they've stolen from the Temple.
A clear pattern in sight.