Palestinians demand return of "their" heritage -- Dead Sea Scolls

[Challenger]

Sometimes the people who created world heritage artifacts, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, are extinct. The United Nations can exercise control over such treasures.

I assure you the Jewish people are not extinct.

It is believed by scholars that the sect which created the Dead Sea Scrolls became extinct about the first century CE.

It is believed by scholars (and reasonable people) that the sect which created the Dead Sea Scrolls wa a Jewish sect, living in Judea.

A sect now extinct.

 

[rylah]

Sometimes the people who created world heritage artifacts, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, are extinct. The United Nations can exercise control over such treasures.

I assure you the Jewish people are not extinct.

It is believed by scholars that the sect which created the Dead Sea Scrolls became extinct about the first century CE.

It is believed by scholars (and reasonable people) that the sect which created the Dead Sea Scrolls wa a Jewish sect, living in Judea.

A sect now extinct.

The Phillistines are extinct, no one today represents their culture.
However the modern Jews are the representatives of those Judean sects, observing culture and rituals which were practiced long before that sect.

 

[Eloy]

Sometimes the people who created world heritage artifacts, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, are extinct. The United Nations can exercise control over such treasures.

I assure you the Jewish people are not extinct.

It is believed by scholars that the sect which created the Dead Sea Scrolls became extinct about the first century CE.

It is believed by scholars (and reasonable people) that the sect which created the Dead Sea Scrolls wa a Jewish sect, living in Judea.

A sect now extinct.

The Phillistines are extinct, no one today represents their culture.
However the modern Jews are the representatives of those Judean sects, observing culture and rituals which were practiced long before that sect.

You are mistaken; the Qumran sect is believed to have been outside Jewish orthodoxy and it perished. The Christian sect, on the other hand, flourished.

 

[rylah]

I assure you the Jewish people are not extinct.

It is believed by scholars that the sect which created the Dead Sea Scrolls became extinct about the first century CE.

It is believed by scholars (and reasonable people) that the sect which created the Dead Sea Scrolls wa a Jewish sect, living in Judea.

A sect now extinct.

The Phillistines are extinct, no one today represents their culture.
However the modern Jews are the representatives of those Judean sects, observing culture and rituals which were practiced long before that sect.

You are mistaken; the Qumran sect is believed to have been outside Jewish orthodoxy and it perished. The Christian sect, on the other hand, flourished.

Orthodoxy or not the rituals modern Jews are practicing today practicing came long before any orthodoxy.
No christian sect flourished, they perished under the Roman prosecutions. All we have today is a Roman pagan sect of Paul- nothing in common with the christians you bring up.

Anyway it's not the christians who demand the scrolls, those are arab muslims calling themselves fillastines, who have decades long history of destroying anything not muslim.

 

[Eloy]

It is believed by scholars that the sect which created the Dead Sea Scrolls became extinct about the first century CE.

It is believed by scholars (and reasonable people) that the sect which created the Dead Sea Scrolls wa a Jewish sect, living in Judea.

A sect now extinct.

The Phillistines are extinct, no one today represents their culture.
However the modern Jews are the representatives of those Judean sects, observing culture and rituals which were practiced long before that sect.

You are mistaken; the Qumran sect is believed to have been outside Jewish orthodoxy and it perished. The Christian sect, on the other hand, flourished.

Orthodoxy or not the rituals modern Jews are practicing today practicing came long before any orthodoxy.
No christian sect flourished, they perished under the Roman prosecutions. All we have today is a Roman pagan sect of Paul- nothing in common with the christians you bring up.

Anyway it's not the christians who demand the scrolls, those are arab muslims calling themselves fillastines, who have decades long history of destroying anything not muslim.

Sorry to inform you but Christianity grew from a small Jewish sect in Jerusalem. Christians see in the Dead Sea Scrolls the writings of their forebears.

 

[Hossfly]

Yes, you read that right -- the Arab Palestinians are going to make a formal request to UNESCO to have "their" cultural heritage, the Dead Sea Scrolls, returned to them.

The audacity of it is shocking.

Next they'll be asking for their Talmud back.

Seems a reasonable request to me, the scrolls were found in what was then considered Jordan, and have since been stolen during the Zionist conquest of 1967, so they are technically loot or plunder, and Jordan has every right to ask for them back.

Oh, it's the Iraqis that could have a claim on the Talmud, seeing as it's a plagiarised rehash of Ancient Babylonian beliefs.

If you are going to take that attitude, can you show us where people in Great Britain are clamoring to return this to the proper people? A digital piece of it should not be sufficient.

Prince Charles warns of cultural destruction on UAE visit - BBC News

As is stated in the article:

"The original Koran fragment, at least 1,370 years old, remains in the University of Birmingham".

There's a difference between legaly buying artifacts and looting them in wartime.

The bottom line here is that none of the Muslims are clamoring for the ancient Koran fragment held in a British university, but since the Jews have something written by their ancestors way back in time, the Muslims can't stand for them to possess it. Apparently you also can't stand for the Jews to have something either.

 

[rylah]

It is believed by scholars (and reasonable people) that the sect which created the Dead Sea Scrolls wa a Jewish sect, living in Judea.

A sect now extinct.

The Phillistines are extinct, no one today represents their culture.
However the modern Jews are the representatives of those Judean sects, observing culture and rituals which were practiced long before that sect.

You are mistaken; the Qumran sect is believed to have been outside Jewish orthodoxy and it perished. The Christian sect, on the other hand, flourished.

Orthodoxy or not the rituals modern Jews are practicing today practicing came long before any orthodoxy.
No christian sect flourished, they perished under the Roman prosecutions. All we have today is a Roman pagan sect of Paul- nothing in common with the christians you bring up.

Anyway it's not the christians who demand the scrolls, those are arab muslims calling themselves fillastines, who have decades long history of destroying anything not muslim.

Sorry to inform you but Christianity grew from a small Jewish sect in Jerusalem. Christians see in the Dead Sea Scrolls the writings of their forebears.

And the original christians who spoke Hebrew and Arameic had more in common with the Jews rather than Roman CATHOLICS and Greek Orthodoxy. The only thing christian in the Paul sect is the name.

However it still has nothing to do with the Arab muslim claim, you just dance around not to answer uncomfortable questions.

 

[Eloy]

Yes, you read that right -- the Arab Palestinians are going to make a formal request to UNESCO to have "their" cultural heritage, the Dead Sea Scrolls, returned to them.

The audacity of it is shocking.

Next they'll be asking for their Talmud back.

Seems a reasonable request to me, the scrolls were found in what was then considered Jordan, and have since been stolen during the Zionist conquest of 1967, so they are technically loot or plunder, and Jordan has every right to ask for them back.

Oh, it's the Iraqis that could have a claim on the Talmud, seeing as it's a plagiarised rehash of Ancient Babylonian beliefs.

If you are going to take that attitude, can you show us where people in Great Britain are clamoring to return this to the proper people? A digital piece of it should not be sufficient.

Prince Charles warns of cultural destruction on UAE visit - BBC News

As is stated in the article:

"The original Koran fragment, at least 1,370 years old, remains in the University of Birmingham".

There's a difference between legaly buying artifacts and looting them in wartime.

The bottom line here is that none of the Muslims are clamoring for the ancient Koran fragment held in a British university, but since the Jews have something written by their ancestors way back in time, the Muslims can't stand for them to possess it. Apparently you also can't stand for the Jews to have something either.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were purloined from a museum in Occupied Palestine.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

It is believed by scholars (and reasonable people) that the sect which created the Dead Sea Scrolls wa a Jewish sect, living in Judea.

A sect now extinct.

The Phillistines are extinct, no one today represents their culture.
However the modern Jews are the representatives of those Judean sects, observing culture and rituals which were practiced long before that sect.

You are mistaken; the Qumran sect is believed to have been outside Jewish orthodoxy and it perished. The Christian sect, on the other hand, flourished.

Orthodoxy or not the rituals modern Jews are practicing today practicing came long before any orthodoxy.
No christian sect flourished, they perished under the Roman prosecutions. All we have today is a Roman pagan sect of Paul- nothing in common with the christians you bring up.

Anyway it's not the christians who demand the scrolls, those are arab muslims calling themselves fillastines, who have decades long history of destroying anything not muslim.

Sorry to inform you but Christianity grew from a small Jewish sect in Jerusalem. Christians see in the Dead Sea Scrolls the writings of their forebears.

What point are you trying to make? That the Dead Sea Scrolls should be housed in the Vatican? Sorry, that makes no sense. Although there were similarities between Christianity and the Essene sect of Judaism, which created the Scrolls, ultimately the Scrolls came from a JEWISH sect, albeit now defunct. As far as I know, the Scrolls are remnants of the Books of the Tanakh or Hebrew Bible. None of the New Testament Books are included in that discovery.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Yes, you read that right -- the Arab Palestinians are going to make a formal request to UNESCO to have "their" cultural heritage, the Dead Sea Scrolls, returned to them.

The audacity of it is shocking.

Next they'll be asking for their Talmud back.

Seems a reasonable request to me, the scrolls were found in what was then considered Jordan, and have since been stolen during the Zionist conquest of 1967, so they are technically loot or plunder, and Jordan has every right to ask for them back.

Oh, it's the Iraqis that could have a claim on the Talmud, seeing as it's a plagiarised rehash of Ancient Babylonian beliefs.

If you are going to take that attitude, can you show us where people in Great Britain are clamoring to return this to the proper people? A digital piece of it should not be sufficient.

Prince Charles warns of cultural destruction on UAE visit - BBC News

As is stated in the article:

"The original Koran fragment, at least 1,370 years old, remains in the University of Birmingham".

There's a difference between legaly buying artifacts and looting them in wartime.

The bottom line here is that none of the Muslims are clamoring for the ancient Koran fragment held in a British university, but since the Jews have something written by their ancestors way back in time, the Muslims can't stand for them to possess it. Apparently you also can't stand for the Jews to have something either.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were purloined from a museum in Occupied Palestine.

They came from a cave in the Judean desert.

 

[Shusha]

A sect now extinct.

Its the sect which is extinct -- not the culture which created the sect. The sect used the very same literature and written works that the Jewish people use today. That is the value of the documents to the Jewish people. That is the clear line between the Jewish people today and the people of that sect. Its ridiculous to argue otherwise.

 

[Shusha]

They came from a cave in the Judean desert.

They came from a cave in the Judean desert during a time when Jordan illegally occupied Israel.

And the reason they were in the Palestine Archaeological Museum in the first place is because Jordan did not have the funds to purchase the scrolls, nor the resources, both financial and otherwise, to prevent further deterioration and thus preserve them.

 

[Shusha]

What point are you trying to make? That the Dead Sea Scrolls should be housed in the Vatican? Sorry, that makes no sense. Although there were similarities between Christianity and the Essene sect of Judaism, which created the Scrolls, ultimately the Scrolls came from a JEWISH sect, albeit now defunct. As far as I know, the Scrolls are remnants of the Books of the Tanakh or Hebrew Bible. None of the New Testament Books are included in that discovery.

The scrolls were written at a time when Christianity had not yet developed and can not, therefore, be Christian. Pre-Christian, but that would obviously make them Jewish.

 

[rylah]

It is believed by scholars (and reasonable people) that the sect which created the Dead Sea Scrolls wa a Jewish sect, living in Judea.

A sect now extinct.

The Phillistines are extinct, no one today represents their culture.
However the modern Jews are the representatives of those Judean sects, observing culture and rituals which were practiced long before that sect.

You are mistaken; the Qumran sect is believed to have been outside Jewish orthodoxy and it perished. The Christian sect, on the other hand, flourished.

Orthodoxy or not the rituals modern Jews are practicing today practicing came long before any orthodoxy.
No christian sect flourished, they perished under the Roman prosecutions. All we have today is a Roman pagan sect of Paul- nothing in common with the christians you bring up.

Anyway it's not the christians who demand the scrolls, those are arab muslims calling themselves fillastines, who have decades long history of destroying anything not muslim.

Sorry to inform you but Christianity grew from a small Jewish sect in Jerusalem. Christians see in the Dead Sea Scrolls the writings of their forebears.

And those JEWS who were the original christians are long gone, centuries before the Romans decided to STEAL Jewish scriptures in order to fuse them with Roman and Greek paganism.
The only thing common between the original christian JEWS and today's catholics are the stolen Jewish scriptures. But you of course claim those are null and void...so basically NOTHING.

 

[Shusha]

Zionism didn't create the Dead Sea Scrolls

Just another ridiculous attempt to disconnect the Jewish people from our past and history.

 

[rylah]

The preservation and caretakership of valuable cultural heritage can not be a function of changing political landscapes. It must be under the control of the culture which created it. Else it serves no purpose.

Zionism didn't create the Dead Sea Scrolls

Of course it didn't, neither did PA or Hamas- Jews did.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

What point are you trying to make? That the Dead Sea Scrolls should be housed in the Vatican? Sorry, that makes no sense. Although there were similarities between Christianity and the Essene sect of Judaism, which created the Scrolls, ultimately the Scrolls came from a JEWISH sect, albeit now defunct. As far as I know, the Scrolls are remnants of the Books of the Tanakh or Hebrew Bible. None of the New Testament Books are included in that discovery.

The scrolls were written at a time when Christianity had not yet developed and can not, therefore, be Christian. Pre-Christian, but that would obviously make them Jewish.

In the book "Jews, God and History", the author stated that the Essene sect, which produced the Scrolls, was a Jewish sect but very Messianic, like Christianity. But it was pre-Christian.

 

[Shusha]

In the book "Jews, God and History", the author stated that the Essene sect, which produced the Scrolls, was a Jewish sect but very Messianic, like Christianity. But it was pre-Christian.

Sure. The idea that a Messiah WILL come or even MUST come is a Jewish idea. The defining idea of Christianity, which separates it from Judaism, is that the Messiah DID come.

 

[Eloy]

A sect now extinct.

The Phillistines are extinct, no one today represents their culture.
However the modern Jews are the representatives of those Judean sects, observing culture and rituals which were practiced long before that sect.

You are mistaken; the Qumran sect is believed to have been outside Jewish orthodoxy and it perished. The Christian sect, on the other hand, flourished.

Orthodoxy or not the rituals modern Jews are practicing today practicing came long before any orthodoxy.
No christian sect flourished, they perished under the Roman prosecutions. All we have today is a Roman pagan sect of Paul- nothing in common with the christians you bring up.

Anyway it's not the christians who demand the scrolls, those are arab muslims calling themselves fillastines, who have decades long history of destroying anything not muslim.

Sorry to inform you but Christianity grew from a small Jewish sect in Jerusalem. Christians see in the Dead Sea Scrolls the writings of their forebears.

What point are you trying to make? That the Dead Sea Scrolls should be housed in the Vatican? Sorry, that makes no sense. Although there were similarities between Christianity and the Essene sect of Judaism, which created the Scrolls, ultimately the Scrolls came from a JEWISH sect, albeit now defunct. As far as I know, the Scrolls are remnants of the Books of the Tanakh or Hebrew Bible. None of the New Testament Books are included in that discovery.

Yes; the Vatican is a much safer place to keep the Dead Sea Scrolls than Jerusalem.

 

[Eloy]

Seems a reasonable request to me, the scrolls were found in what was then considered Jordan, and have since been stolen during the Zionist conquest of 1967, so they are technically loot or plunder, and Jordan has every right to ask for them back.

Oh, it's the Iraqis that could have a claim on the Talmud, seeing as it's a plagiarised rehash of Ancient Babylonian beliefs.

If you are going to take that attitude, can you show us where people in Great Britain are clamoring to return this to the proper people? A digital piece of it should not be sufficient.

Prince Charles warns of cultural destruction on UAE visit - BBC News

As is stated in the article:

"The original Koran fragment, at least 1,370 years old, remains in the University of Birmingham".

There's a difference between legaly buying artifacts and looting them in wartime.

The bottom line here is that none of the Muslims are clamoring for the ancient Koran fragment held in a British university, but since the Jews have something written by their ancestors way back in time, the Muslims can't stand for them to possess it. Apparently you also can't stand for the Jews to have something either.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were purloined from a museum in Occupied Palestine.

They came from a cave in the Judean desert.

The Israelis got their hands on the Scrolls when they captured the West Bank, including East Jerusalem in 1967.