Palestinians demand return of "their" heritage -- Dead Sea Scolls

[Shusha]

And, Eloy , you have still failed to answer my question as to why intangible cultural history should be attached to land, rather than to people.

 

[SAYIT]

Arab people safeguard artifacts even though they were made by now defunct people...

You must think everyone here is as monumentally ignorant as you. The destruction of ancient Buddhist statues by Taliban "protectors"was not the only recent example of Muslim "care" of ancient artifacts. They are compelled by their "holly scriptures" to destroy all that is not Islam.
You are next.

 

[SAYIT]

...I don't know how I could possibly make this more clear without yelling. Maybe I need to yell. THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE NOT DEFUNCT NOR EXTINCT NOR AN ANCIENT AND IRRELEVANT PIECE OF HISTORY. THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE A LIVING PEOPLE WITH A RICH, VIBRANT HISTORY AND A PROMISING FUTURE WITH A CLEAR CONTINUITY FROM THE MOST ANCIENT TIMES RIGHT UP TO THE PRESENT DAY. THESE DEAD SEA SCROLLS ARE THE VERY SAME DEFINING LITERATURE AND RELIGIOUS TEXTS WE USE TODAY. We clear, yet?

You can yell all night but people like Eloy can't (or won't) hear you because to accept that Jews have a history and the same right as any people to that history and a homeland is to contradict and dismember his agenda ... an agenda to which he clings desperately and that has existed for centuries.

 

[Eloy]

Arab people safeguard artifacts even though they were made by now defunct people. The Dead Sea Scrolls fall into this category. The Holy Land was a crossroads of several different cultures, mostly extinct. Civilizations came and went but the people, some of them, remained. The artifacts once associated with these people belong to all of us in one sense. The study of archaeology and ancient history sheds light on these ancient people and are a source enrichment for everyone. That the Dead Sea Scrolls can be attributed to an unorthodox Hebrew sect and possibly one that was shunned by rabbis in the Temple two millennia ago, does not give the Jews of modern Israel the right to steal all or any historical treasures from non-Jews on the grounds that they have an association with a defunct Jewish sect.

It is brazen effrontery for the modern state of Israel to claim that it speaks or acts for all Jews, including Jews who live in other countries and continents. It does not.

Ok. Wow.

#1. And I don't know how I could possibly make this more clear without yelling. Maybe I need to yell. THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE NOT DEFUNCT NOR EXTINCT NOR AN ANCIENT AND IRRELEVANT PIECE OF HISTORY. THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE A LIVING PEOPLE WITH A RICH, VIBRANT HISTORY AND A PROMISING FUTURE WITH A CLEAR CONTINUITY FROM THE MOST ANCIENT TIMES RIGHT UP TO THE PRESENT DAY. THESE DEAD SEA SCROLLS ARE THE VERY SAME DEFINING LITERATURE AND RELIGIOUS TEXTS WE USE TODAY. We clear, yet?

The sect which developed the Dead Sea Scrolls are understood by scholars to have become extinct a couple of thousand years ago. Some of the texts I understand to be from the Jewish Bible and other holy books written mostly in Hebrew and Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus as well as Greek. So, there are various influences.

#2. The Arab and Muslim people have a shitty, shitty, shitty record of safe-guarding and caretaking the historical and religious cultural heritage of other cultures. Come on! Temple Mount Sifting Project! The hell?! They are destroying irreplaceable archaeological finds in order to deny the existence of the Jewish people's history. And the Palestinians, through UNESCO, are ACTIVELY seeking to erase Jewish history and religious significance. They are re-writing the truth in order to eliminate the Jewish people's rights to our own cultural heritage. And you support this? Why? Why would you support this?

I am unfamiliar with excavations around the Al Aqsa mosque but the destruction of of all evidence of population of an ethnically cleansed people such as happened to the Jews under the Roman period is like a second cleansing and vile. I see this happening in Israel when Palestinian place names and their replacement with Hebrew and it is no less reprehensible.

#3. Israel absolutely has the right to act on behalf of the Jewish people everywhere when it comes to preserving and protecting our cultural heritage. That was the entire POINT of creating our own Nation! So that we could be protected. Wow. Are you that clueless? Is France no longer permitted to speak for the French? Is Japan no longer permitted to speak for the Japanese?

I see it quite differently; the British were offering European Jews a homeland as long as it was not in Europe. They settled on Palestine and the consequential death, bloodshed, and hateful propaganda has continued ever since. European Jews had nothing to do with the Dead Sea Scrolls. Many of the rich had already gone to America where they did rather well for themselves. Those in the east European shtetls suffered in the Final Solution. The British version of the final solution was to get the Jews out of Europe. Those Jews who went and took Arab land have no more right to speak for all Jews in the world no more than the Jews of Queens, New York can speak or all Jews.

But to ease your mind, let's ask. Let's ask some of our Jewish members here who they would prefer to have caretakership over our ancient Jewish texts? Hey, Hollie ,Roudy , rylah , irosie91 , SAYIT , MJB12741 , turzovka , (and please tag anyone I have forgotten): Who would you rather have as guardian of the oldest known extant texts of our Torah -- Israel or the Palestinian Authority? (I vote Israel, btw).

I heard that argumentum ad populum is supposed to be a logical fallacy. Thanks for the list.

 

[Phoenall]

Why?

Because of their associations with the area. For example, it is both ridiculous and insensitive to the current inhabitants if one were to transport the pyramids from Egypt to Nevada.

Why would it be insensitive? What is the reason? Remembering we are talking about intangible cultural heritage here with the Dead Sea Scrolls and not buildings.

Right to possess artifacts should not depend on their portability, surely.

Answer the questions.

If you ask one question at a time it would help.
You asked two questions before you went on to introduce a difference between the Dead Sea Scrolls and the pyramids of Egypt.
To get back to the questions, I wonder if I am right that it is really one question and the second one is added for clarification. That is how I read your post. You asked why I consider it insensitive to pilfer artifacts. I am not an expert in the preservation of precious artifacts so, as a layman, I believe artifacts and such treasures resonate with the people who have come after the artifacts' creators. Knowing that they were born in the same place as the treasures, in this case, the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were found in what is today the Occupied Palestinian West Bank and but for the occupation they would still be there. Occupation does not confer a right on the occupier to loot archaeological artifacts and I believe Israel was wrong to take them away. The custodians of the Dead Sea Scrolls should be the Palestinians. I accept that I am no expert.

So you dont accept that the initial invasion of the land and theft of Jewish artifacts in 1949 count in your POV. This was legal and correct to your way of thinking because they were only " filthy Jews " and had no rights. Imagine if the scrolls had suffered the same way that many Jewish artifacts had after the illegal invasion, occupation and annexation of Jerusalem by arab muslims. How many ancient Torah scrolls were destroyed by the muslim neanderthals as a childish by them,

 

[Phoenall]

You asked two questions before you went on to introduce a difference between the Dead Sea Scrolls and the pyramids of Egypt.

In point of fact, it was you who brought up the pyramids of Egypt.

To get back to the questions, I wonder if I am right that it is really one question and the second one is added for clarification.

Not clarification, exactly. But the two questions are related. In particular it was intended to point out who might be invested in preserving a cultural heritage and who might be hostile to preserving a cultural heritage.

You asked why I consider it insensitive to pilfer artifacts.

I most certainly did not. I asked why artifacts, specifically transportable artifacts (intangible cultural heritage), should be considered attached to a piece of dirt (or in this case a cave) when considering guardianship.

I am not an expert in the preservation of precious artifacts so, as a layman, I believe artifacts and such treasures resonate with the people who have come after the artifacts' creators.

We agree. The artifacts and treasure resonate very strongly with the people who came after. The question is WHICH people?

I do not know your background, but I am Scots/Irish. My families have been living in the US and Canada for about 300 years. All things Scots and Irish resonate with me. I feel attached to them. They are my history. And even though my family has been living in Canada for hundreds of years, I do not feel especially attached to First Nations cultures. Those cultures do not resonate deeply with me. Why? Because it is not my culture. It is not my history. There is nothing connecting us but a patch of land that we have both, at various times, live on. That is not enough. Nations come and go, political boundaries change.

And I don't for a second believe that Arab Muslim Palestinians resonate with ancient Jewish writings. Instead, their hostility towards all things Jewish is quite apparent.

Here are a few excerpts from the 2003 Convention for the Safe-Guarding of Intangible Cultural Heritage:

Recognizing that the processes of globalization and social transformation, alongside the conditions they create for renewed dialogue among communities, also give rise, as does the phenomenon of intolerance, to grave threats of deterioration, disappearance and destruction of the intangible cultural heritage, in particular owing to a lack of resources for safeguarding such heritage,

Recognizing that communities, in particular indigenous communities, groups and, in some cases, individuals, play an important role in the production, safeguarding, maintenance and re-creation of the intangible cultural heritage, thus helping to enrich cultural diversity and human creativity,

...


The “intangible cultural heritage” means the practices, representations, expressions, knowledge, skills – as well as the instruments, objects, artifacts and cultural spaces associated therewith – that communities, groups and, in some cases, individuals recognize as part of their cultural heritage. This intangible cultural heritage, transmitted from generation to generation, is constantly recreated by communities and groups in response to their environment, their interaction with nature and their history, and provides them with a sense of identity and continuity, thus promoting respect for cultural diversity and human creativity. For the purposes of this Convention, consideration will be given solely to such intangible cultural heritage as is compatible with existing international human rights instruments, as well as with the requirements of mutual respect among communities, groups and individuals, and of sustainable development.


Notice the language used in this Convention: the intangible cultural heritage belongs to communities. It is transmitted from generation to generation within these communities. It does not belong to political bodies or to States. It belongs to the people who are interact with it, and pass it along and are continually re-creating it. It is part of the people's LIVING culture.

Tell me, in what way will the Arab Muslim Palestinians live this cultural legacy? How will they pass it from generation to generation? How will they interact with it? How does it help them develop a sense of continuity with the past?

Worse than that, given the Arab Muslim Palestinians open hostility towards Jewish history -- why would we believe that they are invested in preserving it, let alone cherishing it, living it, transferring it to future generations?

Arab people safeguard artifacts even though they were made by now defunct people. The Dead Sea Scrolls fall into this category. The Holy Land was a crossroads of several different cultures, mostly extinct. Civilizations came and went but the people, some of them, remained. The artifacts once associated with these people belong to all of us in one sense. The study of archaeology and ancient history sheds light on these ancient people and are a source enrichment for everyone. That the Dead Sea Scrolls can be attributed to an unorthodox Hebrew sect and possibly one that was shunned by rabbis in the Temple two millennia ago, does not give the Jews of modern Israel the right to steal all or any historical treasures from non-Jews on the grounds that they have an association with a defunct Jewish sect.

It is brazen effrontery for the modern state of Israel to claim that it speaks or acts for all Jews, including Jews who live in other countries and continents. It does not.

LIAR they destroyed many ancient Jewish artifacts in the west bank, Jerusalem and gaza between 1949 and 1967 like spoilt brats do when they cant get their own way. The dead sea scrolls were the product of Jews and their descendants are still living in the same area today and so they are theirs not yours

 

[Phoenall]

The Palestinians, though they have converted to Christianity and Islam, are the offspring of the same people that were there when the scrolls were written. The European Zionists that invaded and colonized Palestine have more right to them than the native people?

They were also the offspring of the Jews who were there when the scrolls were written. The fact that the majority of "palestinians" are recent arrivals to the lands after being extinct from them for many years means that the Jewish returnee's do have a greater claim. And you have failed repeatedly to prove that the Jews from Europe are not descendants of the Jews who were taken as slaves by the Romans 2000 years ago

 

[Phoenall]

Arab people safeguard artifacts even though they were made by now defunct people. The Dead Sea Scrolls fall into this category. The Holy Land was a crossroads of several different cultures, mostly extinct. Civilizations came and went but the people, some of them, remained. The artifacts once associated with these people belong to all of us in one sense. The study of archaeology and ancient history sheds light on these ancient people and are a source enrichment for everyone. That the Dead Sea Scrolls can be attributed to an unorthodox Hebrew sect and possibly one that was shunned by rabbis in the Temple two millennia ago, does not give the Jews of modern Israel the right to steal all or any historical treasures from non-Jews on the grounds that they have an association with a defunct Jewish sect.

It is brazen effrontery for the modern state of Israel to claim that it speaks or acts for all Jews, including Jews who live in other countries and continents. It does not.

Ok. Wow.

#1. And I don't know how I could possibly make this more clear without yelling. Maybe I need to yell. THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE NOT DEFUNCT NOR EXTINCT NOR AN ANCIENT AND IRRELEVANT PIECE OF HISTORY. THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE A LIVING PEOPLE WITH A RICH, VIBRANT HISTORY AND A PROMISING FUTURE WITH A CLEAR CONTINUITY FROM THE MOST ANCIENT TIMES RIGHT UP TO THE PRESENT DAY. THESE DEAD SEA SCROLLS ARE THE VERY SAME DEFINING LITERATURE AND RELIGIOUS TEXTS WE USE TODAY. We clear, yet?

The sect which developed the Dead Sea Scrolls are understood by scholars to have become extinct a couple of thousand years ago. Some of the texts I understand to be from the Jewish Bible and other holy books written mostly in Hebrew and Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus as well as Greek. So, there are various influences.

#2. The Arab and Muslim people have a shitty, shitty, shitty record of safe-guarding and caretaking the historical and religious cultural heritage of other cultures. Come on! Temple Mount Sifting Project! The hell?! They are destroying irreplaceable archaeological finds in order to deny the existence of the Jewish people's history. And the Palestinians, through UNESCO, are ACTIVELY seeking to erase Jewish history and religious significance. They are re-writing the truth in order to eliminate the Jewish people's rights to our own cultural heritage. And you support this? Why? Why would you support this?

I am unfamiliar with excavations around the Al Aqsa mosque but the destruction of of all evidence of population of an ethnically cleansed people such as happened to the Jews under the Roman period is like a second cleansing and vile. I see this happening in Israel when Palestinian place names and their replacement with Hebrew and it is no less reprehensible.

#3. Israel absolutely has the right to act on behalf of the Jewish people everywhere when it comes to preserving and protecting our cultural heritage. That was the entire POINT of creating our own Nation! So that we could be protected. Wow. Are you that clueless? Is France no longer permitted to speak for the French? Is Japan no longer permitted to speak for the Japanese?

I see it quite differently; the British were offering European Jews a homeland as long as it was not in Europe. They settled on Palestine and the consequential death, bloodshed, and hateful propaganda has continued ever since. European Jews had nothing to do with the Dead Sea Scrolls. Many of the rich had already gone to America where they did rather well for themselves. Those in the east European shtetls suffered in the Final Solution. The British version of the final solution was to get the Jews out of Europe. Those Jews who went and took Arab land have no more right to speak for all Jews in the world no more than the Jews of Queens, New York can speak or all Jews.

But to ease your mind, let's ask. Let's ask some of our Jewish members here who they would prefer to have caretakership over our ancient Jewish texts? Hey, Hollie ,Roudy , rylah , irosie91 , SAYIT , MJB12741 , turzovka , (and please tag anyone I have forgotten): Who would you rather have as guardian of the oldest known extant texts of our Torah -- Israel or the Palestinian Authority? (I vote Israel, btw).

I heard that argumentum ad populum is supposed to be a logical fallacy. Thanks for the list.

So no actual proof just conjecture by a few scholars that want it to be that way.

Then deny the destruction of actual historical artifacts by arab muslims so that any evidence of earlier inhabitation is wiped out

So you deny the Jews the same rights you demand for the arab muslims because you dont want them to have anything, how about we treat you as you are trteating the Jews and see how you like it ?

 

[RoccoR]

Eloy,

It is a fallacy.

I heard that argumentum ad populum is supposed to be a logical fallacy. Thanks for the list.

(COMMENT)

It does NOT mean that the "Truth" is fallacious.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

I heard that argumentum ad populum is supposed to be a logical fallacy.

You are like a child who has learned a new fancy new word and then goes around using it incorrectly.

 

[Shusha]

The sect which developed the Dead Sea Scrolls are understood by scholars to have become extinct a couple of thousand years ago. Some of the texts I understand to be from the Jewish Bible and other holy books written mostly in Hebrew and Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus as well as Greek. So, there are various influences.

The recovered texts are the exact same texts that the Jewish people use today. Exact same. They are in a language spoken by, and only by, the Jewish people. They describe rituals and laws and celebrations which are still in practice today. They are the oldest extant written texts of a living culture of peoples who still use them. That they should be under the guardianship of another culture is ridiculous.

Its like saying that the Egyptians of ancient times are extinct (and no one speaks that language any more, nor practices that religion), therefore modern Egyptians have no rights to be guardians of the ancient Egyptian culture.

Or that since the early Christians are extinct, Catholics have no rights to be guardians of early Christian texts and they were stolen by the Vatican and must be returned to the Baha'i.

I am unfamiliar with excavations around the Al Aqsa mosque but the destruction of of all evidence of population of an ethnically cleansed people such as happened to the Jews under the Roman period is like a second cleansing and vile.

Thank you! You might have said that the first time I brought it up and saved us some bit of trouble. Yes. It is vile. And you know what? Those Dead Sea Scrolls were probably hidden because of the Roman ethnic cleansing. They were probably hidden then to protect them from being stolen from the Jewish people and destroyed. (You may have noticed that the Romans did quite a bit of destroying during their ethnic cleansing. In fact, you may have even noticed that a Temple does not stand on the Holy Place any longer.)

So, if you accept the idea that the Romans did, indeed, ethnically cleanse the Jewish people from their homeland and you accept that precious cultural heritage of the Jewish people was destroyed in the process, why would you deny the Jewish people their miraculously preserved cultural heritage today?

I see this happening in Israel when Palestinian place names and their replacement with Hebrew and it is no less reprehensible.

I know, right?! How DARE the Jewish people rename Al Quds -- Jerusalem! The nerve!

And no it is much less reprehensible than destroying a three thousand year old historical, spiritual and archaeological site. That was irreplaceable. Places can always be renamed.

European Jews had nothing to do with the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Don't be silly. The European Jews use the same Hebrew texts as every other Jew in the world.

 

[Phoenall]

The sect which developed the Dead Sea Scrolls are understood by scholars to have become extinct a couple of thousand years ago. Some of the texts I understand to be from the Jewish Bible and other holy books written mostly in Hebrew and Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus as well as Greek. So, there are various influences.

The recovered texts are the exact same texts that the Jewish people use today. Exact same. They are in a language spoken by, and only by, the Jewish people. They describe rituals and laws and celebrations which are still in practice today. They are the oldest extant written texts of a living culture of peoples who still use them. That they should be under the guardianship of another culture is ridiculous.

Its like saying that the Egyptians of ancient times are extinct (and no one speaks that language any more, nor practices that religion), therefore modern Egyptians have no rights to be guardians of the ancient Egyptian culture.

Or that since the early Christians are extinct, Catholics have no rights to be guardians of early Christian texts and they were stolen by the Vatican and must be returned to the Baha'i.

I am unfamiliar with excavations around the Al Aqsa mosque but the destruction of of all evidence of population of an ethnically cleansed people such as happened to the Jews under the Roman period is like a second cleansing and vile.

Thank you! You might have said that the first time I brought it up and saved us some bit of trouble. Yes. It is vile. And you know what? Those Dead Sea Scrolls were probably hidden because of the Roman ethnic cleansing. They were probably hidden then to protect them from being stolen from the Jewish people and destroyed. (You may have noticed that the Romans did quite a bit of destroying during their ethnic cleansing. In fact, you may have even noticed that a Temple does not stand on the Holy Place any longer.)

So, if you accept the idea that the Romans did, indeed, ethnically cleanse the Jewish people from their homeland and you accept that precious cultural heritage of the Jewish people was destroyed in the process, why would you deny the Jewish people their miraculously preserved cultural heritage today?

I see this happening in Israel when Palestinian place names and their replacement with Hebrew and it is no less reprehensible.

I know, right?! How DARE the Jewish people rename Al Quds -- Jerusalem! The nerve!

And no it is much less reprehensible than destroying a three thousand year old historical, spiritual and archaeological site. That was irreplaceable. Places can always be renamed.

European Jews had nothing to do with the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Don't be silly. The European Jews use the same Hebrew texts as every other Jew in the world.

You will never change their minds until you make the study of Jew hatred illegal and punishable by prison.

First he denies that he is unaware of any excavations around the Temple mount, yet knows all about the changing of place names back to their pure Jewish forms and finds it reprehensible.

Then he states that European Jews taken from their homes in Judea and Samaria have no link to the dead sea scrolls, yet arab muslims from pakistan or the UAE most probably wrote them 400 years before they were even invented.

He is afraid to open his mind in case the truth should ever leak in and attack his brainwashing leaving it wide open to be infected with reality

 

[fanger]

Miss Emma speaks, or tries to

 

[Hossfly]

The sect which developed the Dead Sea Scrolls are understood by scholars to have become extinct a couple of thousand years ago. Some of the texts I understand to be from the Jewish Bible and other holy books written mostly in Hebrew and Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus as well as Greek. So, there are various influences.

The recovered texts are the exact same texts that the Jewish people use today. Exact same. They are in a language spoken by, and only by, the Jewish people. They describe rituals and laws and celebrations which are still in practice today. They are the oldest extant written texts of a living culture of peoples who still use them. That they should be under the guardianship of another culture is ridiculous.

Its like saying that the Egyptians of ancient times are extinct (and no one speaks that language any more, nor practices that religion), therefore modern Egyptians have no rights to be guardians of the ancient Egyptian culture.

Or that since the early Christians are extinct, Catholics have no rights to be guardians of early Christian texts and they were stolen by the Vatican and must be returned to the Baha'i.

I am unfamiliar with excavations around the Al Aqsa mosque but the destruction of of all evidence of population of an ethnically cleansed people such as happened to the Jews under the Roman period is like a second cleansing and vile.

Thank you! You might have said that the first time I brought it up and saved us some bit of trouble. Yes. It is vile. And you know what? Those Dead Sea Scrolls were probably hidden because of the Roman ethnic cleansing. They were probably hidden then to protect them from being stolen from the Jewish people and destroyed. (You may have noticed that the Romans did quite a bit of destroying during their ethnic cleansing. In fact, you may have even noticed that a Temple does not stand on the Holy Place any longer.)

So, if you accept the idea that the Romans did, indeed, ethnically cleanse the Jewish people from their homeland and you accept that precious cultural heritage of the Jewish people was destroyed in the process, why would you deny the Jewish people their miraculously preserved cultural heritage today?

I see this happening in Israel when Palestinian place names and their replacement with Hebrew and it is no less reprehensible.

I know, right?! How DARE the Jewish people rename Al Quds -- Jerusalem! The nerve!

And no it is much less reprehensible than destroying a three thousand year old historical, spiritual and archaeological site. That was irreplaceable. Places can always be renamed.

European Jews had nothing to do with the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Don't be silly. The European Jews use the same Hebrew texts as every other Jew in the world.

You can argue round and round with those who believe that the Jews are entitled to nothing. However, unless a person is so illiterate, he or she is aware that in the museums and universities in the Western world there are ancient treasures from the Middle East and from Greek and Roman civilizations. No one who parks himself on one thread is going to pay attention to this because the Jews are not involved. However, I don't think that there is any controversy going on that these aantiquities should be returned to the country in which they were found. These antiquities are in the hands of the people who will take great care in preserving them, the same way the Jews will take care of the Dead Sea Scrolls which are actually part of their heritage. We see what is happening in many parts of the Middle East where churches and mosques are being destroyed so the Scrolls are in good hands now.

Egyptian Art | The Metropolitan Museum of Art

 

[montelatici]

How can the Dead Sea Scrolls be part of the heritage of a bunch of Europeans that invaded Palestine? They are part of the heritage of the native people of Palestine that today are Christians and Muslims but many of whose ancestors practiced Judaism in the past.

 

[Hossfly]

How can the Dead Sea Scrolls be part of the heritage of a bunch of Europeans that invaded Palestine? They are part of the heritage of the native people of Palestine that today are Christians and Muslims but many of whose ancestors practiced Judaism in the past.

What do the Palestinians want the scrolls for? The written material s not about them or the Christians. My guess is they only want them so they can sell them and make a buck.Well, they ain't getting their sticky little fingers on the scrolls.

 

[Hollie]

How can the Dead Sea Scrolls be part of the heritage of a bunch of Europeans that invaded Palestine? They are part of the heritage of the native people of Palestine that today are Christians and Muslims but many of whose ancestors practiced Judaism in the past.

Oh my. Another reiteration of your goofy slogans and cliches.

It's always a treat to read your copy and paste nonsense as you set the board straight, again, about that hallucination of a Jewish invasion that you imagine took place in the defunct Ottoman province of British Palestine. Phwew! We really needed to hear your religious hatreds spewed across the forums, again—thanks, Mahmoud!

Your latest tirade even identifies that Jews in Europe somehow had a different cultural and religious heritage than Jews elsewhere.

Do you understand anything? You have no facts on an issue, you are personally acknowledging your bias, and you are asking strangers on a public forum to help you justify your bias in your mind.

Doesn't that, at the very least, make you feel dirty?

 

[Shusha]

How can the Dead Sea Scrolls be part of the heritage of a bunch of Europeans ...

This isn't rocket science, monte

What language do European Jews have in common with all other Jews? Hebrew.
What language are the Dead Sea Scrolls (primarily) written in? Hebrew.
What language do the Arab Muslim people of Palestine speak? Arabic.

What religious doctrines are practiced by European Jews? Judaism
What religious doctrines are found in the Dead Sea Scrolls? Judaism.
What religious doctrines are practiced by the Arab Muslim people of Palestine? Islam.

What cultural celebrations and holidays are followed by the European Jews? Celebrations and holidays as laid out in Torah.
What cultural celebrations and holidays were written in the Dead Sea Scrolls? Celebrations and holidays as laid out in Torah.
What cultural celebrations and holidays are followed by the Arab Muslim people of Palestine? Celebrations and holidays as laid out in Quran.


So, I asked once before, I'll ask again -- why should cultural heritage follow land rather than people? Especially, why should a cultural heritage follow land which has been invaded by colonizers who co-opt, usurp, steal or assimilate the native culture? And if it comes down to guardianship of cultural heritage for the purpose of living it, and celebrating it and passing it down from generation to generation -- why should it be given over to a culture which does NOT live it, celebrate it or pass it down?

 

[Eloy]

The recovered texts are the exact same texts that the Jewish people use today. Exact same. ...

The Bible is used by Christians and Followers of The Book are given special honor by Islam.

Its like saying that the Egyptians of ancient times are extinct (and no one speaks that language any more, nor practices that religion), therefore modern Egyptians have no rights to be guardians of the ancient Egyptian culture.

Modern Eqypt bears no resemblance to the Ancient Kingdoms.

... So, if you accept the idea that the Romans did, indeed, ethnically cleanse the Jewish people from their homeland and you accept that precious cultural heritage of the Jewish people was destroyed in the process, why would you deny the Jewish people their miraculously preserved cultural heritage today?

Rather it is consistent with the condemnation of any and all ethnic cleansing which includes what the Israelis did and are doing to the Palestinian people.

It seems to me that you are quick to criticize relatively minor insensitivity in other people while refusing to see greater faults of Israelis.

 

[Eloy]

What language do European Jews have in common with all other Jews? Hebrew.

You don't say.

View of a typical Polish Shtetl in which Yiddish was spoken before the Final Solution.