Palestinians: 10,000 years ago, since Abraham or since the Mandate for Palestine?

[Sixties Fan]

Marty, do us a favor and do not help derail the thread.
It is about proof of Palestinians having migrated to Canaan around 10,000 years ago, or 4000 years ago.

If they cannot come up with any proof of it, let us not respond. Thanks.

 

[MartyNYC]

Not true. Arafat was born in Egypt because his Palestinian father was working there at the time. All of his siblings were born in Palestine.

How was Arafat’s father a “Palestinian” when no place had existed in the Middle East named Palestine? Palestine was Britain’s English name for the British Mandate that started in 1923. Arafat was born in 1929 in Egypt.

Abdul Ghani Salameh: There was nothing called a palestinian people…

 

[Sixties Fan]

Can either Martin or Tinmore show proof of Palestinians existing 10,000 or 4,000 years ago?

NO.

Your posts belong here:

The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

:eusa_boohoo::eusa_boohoo::eusa_boohoo::eusa_boohoo::eusa_boohoo: By the average level of response, this is the most you can play a violin.

www.usmessageboard.com

Have a great discussion about the Mandate for Palestine, Arafat, etc, over there.

Thank you.

 

[MartyNYC]

Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Ziporrah.

The Jews themselves are northcoast Canaanites from Urfa near Haran.

Where do Arabs’ Quran or any pre-Quran Arabian records say Abraham and Moses had Arab wives? Nowhere. Never happened.

 

[surada]

Where do Arabs’ Quran or any pre-Quran Arabian records say Abraham and Moses had Arab wives? Nowhere. Never happened.

Try the Bible or the Torah.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Try the Bible or the Torah.

Even IF they were Arabs, they are not the Patriarchs of the Palestinians.

They were not Palestinians.

Now, show us chapter and verse in the Hebrew Scripture where it says that those women were Arabs or even that they were known as Palestinians.

 

[surada]

Even IF they were Arabs, they are not the Patriarchs of the Palestinians.

They were not Palestinians.

Now, show us chapter and verse in the Hebrew Scripture where it says that those women were Arabs or even that they were known as Palestinians.

Christians and Muslims revere the patriarchs.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Christians and Muslims revere the patriarchs.

I am waiting for the chapter and verse.

 

[MartyNYC]

Try the Bible or the Torah.

If Abraham and Moses had Arab wives, it would be recorded in the Quran and pre-Quran Arabian records—No such records exist, because they did not have Arab wives.

 

[MartyNYC]

Christians and Muslims revere the patriarchs.

Jewish Patriarchs.

 

[MartyNYC]

Even IF they were Arabs, they are not the Patriarchs of the Palestinians.

They were not Palestinians.

Now, show us chapter and verse in the Hebrew Scripture where it says that those women were Arabs or even that they were known as Palestinians.

The word “Palestinian” does not exist in Middle Eastern sources.

 

[MartyNYC]

It is understandable that some posters may confuse or deny the use of the word Palestinians, for a people, with the word Palestine, for a region in Ancient Canaan.

Which is it? Has a Palestinian identity and culture existed since a mass migration to Canaan 10,000 years ago, (was there such a mass migration?) or were they there since the time of Abraham, or are they a more modern creation after the Balfour Declaration, Mandate for PALESTINE, and Israel's Independence in 1948?

Was the identity created by Nasser in 1964 in Moscow with the help of the Soviet KGB? For what reason?

This is the thread to show Palestinian History before the Mandate for Palestine. The Palestinian Museum is rather silent about it.

Home

The museum presents and contributes to narratives on Palestinian history, culture and society from new and critical perspectives.

www.palmuseum.org

Palestine, the region:

The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1948, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.

Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes.

From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.

Palestine | HISTORY , Religion & Conflicts | HISTORY

Palestine is a small region of land in the eastern Mediterranean region that includes parts of modern Israel and the Palestinian territories of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. It has played a prominent role in the ancient and modern history of the Middle East and has been marked by frequent...

www.history.com

Palestinians, the People:

The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods on JSTOR

Baruch Kimmerling, The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods, Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Apr., 2000), pp. 48-81

www.jstor.org

PIJ.ORG: Reflections on Writing the History of Palestinian Identity By Issam Nassar

An independent publication, with an often critical voice, the Palestine-Israel Journal provides background material and in-depth analysis of various aspects of the conflict from the perspective of both sides, thus helping to shed light on the complex issues dividing Israelis and Palestinians and...

pij.org

Palestinians: Invented People

Both historically and in contemporary times, the Arabs living in the area now known as Palestine were regarded both by outsiders and by their own spokespeople as members of the greater Arab population

besacenter.org

Was there a Palestinian “national identity” prior to 1964?

From the blog of Alan Meyer at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

I cannot find one invader or visitor to the area who identified any of the population present as Palestinian. Any Arabs, Bedouin or Druze who might have called themselves or would be identified by that national identity by any of those invaders, visitors or inhabitants.

The Ottoman Census of 1831 to 1917 divides the population of the region as such:

https://psi424.cankaya.edu.tr/uploads/files/Shaw,%20Ott%20Census%20System%20and%20Pop,%201831-1914%20(1978).pdf

Thanks to all who join this conversation

The word “Palestinian” does not even appear in Middle East historical sources. Prior to the 20th century, no evidence exists of any people self-identifying as “Palestinians” nor of others identifying any people as “Palestinians.”

 

[Sixties Fan]

The word “Palestinian” does not even appear in Middle East historical sources. Prior to the 20th century, no evidence exists of any people self-identifying as “Palestinians” nor of others identifying any people as “Palestinians.”

I am waiting for an answer from Surada. Whenever she is ready with it.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Jesus is identified as an Israelite in the NT, Brainiac. Called King of Israel.

It was a group of Rabbis’ that convinced the Romans to crucify Jesus and in exchange to Jewish community would stop the revolt against the Romans.

Who killed Jesus and why?
it is a long read
Rabbis forced the Romans to crucify Jesus
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[watchingfromafar]

The word “Palestinian” does not even appear in Middle East historical sources.

Palestinians (Arabic:, al-Filasṭīniyyūn; Hebrew: פָלַסְטִינִים, Fālasṭīnīm) or Palestinian peopleشعب الفلسطيني, ash-shab al-Filasṭīnī), also referred to as Palestinian Arabs (الفلسطينيين العرب, al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿArab), are an ethnonational group descending from peoples who have inhabited the region of Palestine over the millennia, and who are today culturally and linguistically Arab.
Palestinians - Wikipedia
Palestine, area of the eastern Mediterranean region, comprising parts of modern Israel and the Palestinian territories of the Gaza Strip (along the coast of the Mediterranean Sea) and the West Bank (west of the Jordan River).
Palestine | History, People, & Religion

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[Hollie]

Palestinians (Arabic:, al-Filasṭīniyyūn; Hebrew: פָלַסְטִינִים, Fālasṭīnīm) or Palestinian peopleشعب الفلسطيني, ash-shab al-Filasṭīnī), also referred to as Palestinian Arabs (الفلسطينيين العرب, al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿArab), are an ethnonational group descending from peoples who have inhabited the region of Palestine over the millennia, and who are today culturally and linguistically Arab.
Palestinians - Wikipedia
Palestine, area of the eastern Mediterranean region, comprising parts of modern Israel and the Palestinian territories of the Gaza Strip (along the coast of the Mediterranean Sea) and the West Bank (west of the Jordan River).
Palestine | History, People, & Religion

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[surada]

It is understandable that some posters may confuse or deny the use of the word Palestinians, for a people, with the word Palestine, for a region in Ancient Canaan.

Which is it? Has a Palestinian identity and culture existed since a mass migration to Canaan 10,000 years ago, (was there such a mass migration?) or were they there since the time of Abraham, or are they a more modern creation after the Balfour Declaration, Mandate for PALESTINE, and Israel's Independence in 1948?

Was the identity created by Nasser in 1964 in Moscow with the help of the Soviet KGB? For what reason?

This is the thread to show Palestinian History before the Mandate for Palestine. The Palestinian Museum is rather silent about it.

Home

The museum presents and contributes to narratives on Palestinian history, culture and society from new and critical perspectives.

www.palmuseum.org

Palestine, the region:

The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1948, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.

Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes.

From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.

Palestine | HISTORY , Religion & Conflicts | HISTORY

Palestine is a small region of land in the eastern Mediterranean region that includes parts of modern Israel and the Palestinian territories of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. It has played a prominent role in the ancient and modern history of the Middle East and has been marked by frequent...

www.history.com

Palestinians, the People:

The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods on JSTOR

Baruch Kimmerling, The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods, Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Apr., 2000), pp. 48-81

www.jstor.org

PIJ.ORG: Reflections on Writing the History of Palestinian Identity By Issam Nassar

An independent publication, with an often critical voice, the Palestine-Israel Journal provides background material and in-depth analysis of various aspects of the conflict from the perspective of both sides, thus helping to shed light on the complex issues dividing Israelis and Palestinians and...

pij.org

Palestinians: Invented People

Both historically and in contemporary times, the Arabs living in the area now known as Palestine were regarded both by outsiders and by their own spokespeople as members of the greater Arab population

besacenter.org

Was there a Palestinian “national identity” prior to 1964?

From the blog of Alan Meyer at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

I cannot find one invader or visitor to the area who identified any of the population present as Palestinian. Any Arabs, Bedouin or Druze who might have called themselves or would be identified by that national identity by any of those invaders, visitors or inhabitants.

The Ottoman Census of 1831 to 1917 divides the population of the region as such:

https://psi424.cankaya.edu.tr/uploads/files/Shaw,%20Ott%20Census%20System%20and%20Pop,%201831-1914%20(1978).pdf

Thanks to all who join this conversation

Philistia has NOTHING to do with Palestine.. Philistia is referring to the Sea people.

10,000 years ago is long before Abraham or the Akkadian Empire from Arabia or even the Marsh Arabs.

Do you even remember Nasser or the cause of the Suez Crisis?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Philistia has NOTHING to do with Palestine.. Philistia is referring to the Sea people.

10,000 years ago is long before Abraham or the Akkadian Empire from Arabia or even the Marsh Arabs.

Do you even remember Nasser or the cause of the Suez Crisis?

Are you still at this? I am not. You continue to prove nothing you allege. I will not waste my time.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Do you even remember Nasser or the cause of the Suez Crisis?

Nasser was all about pan Arabism.

There were no distinct "Palestinians" then.

They might have taught you something else at the Madrasdas you attended, as a child, but they were wrong.

 

[surada]

Are you still at this? I am not. You continue to prove nothing you allege. I will not waste my time.

The truth is just the truth all day long. It doesn't change based on political ambitions. You should be more sensitive to such demonization considering Hitler did that to the Jewish people.