Palestinians: 10,000 years ago, since Abraham or since the Mandate for Palestine?

[surada]

This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab

There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.

Jews are a Ethnicity besides a religion.

Being Arab is also a Ethnicity.


Different Ethnicities.

The Jews were never referred to as Arab Jews until recently.

Iraqi Jews
Syrian Jews
Iranian Jews
Lebanese Jews
Moroccan Jews
Egyptian Jews
Lybian Jews
etc

Iraqi Christians
Syrian Christians
Iranian Christians
Lebanese Christians
etc

LOLOL. Did you know that Arab Christians and Arab Jews call God Allah?

Have you been anywhere in the Middle East?

Jews of Arab conquered lands call the G-D of Abraham "Allah"?

I would like a link, from the Hebrew Scriptures to that.

I AM from the Middle East.

So you're Jewish. You can easily look up the word Allah and see how it is used by Arabic speaking Christians and Jews. Just choose a source you like. They use another word in Farsi and I don't know about Amharic.

Hebrew scripture would be in Hebrew, right?

 

[surada]

This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab

There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.

"The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique."

Why can't that uniqueness be found in the last 5000 to 10,000 years.
Why did it develop only after the Mandate for Palestine for the re creation of the Jewish Nation ON their Jewish homeland?

How would you know? The Jews arrived in Palestine from Germany, Poland, Russia etc. Most of them didn't speak Hebrew either.

Yes, the Jews who had much earlier in history migrated to Europe, were now returning to their homeland.

Jews have been returning to their homeland for centuries.

After pogroms, the Inquisition, etc. Jews were always returning to their ancient homeland to join all the other Jews who had never left their homeland, or what is now known as the Middle East.

Jewish history is known all over the world, from its ancient time.


Palestinian history is known only since the Mandate for Palestine and since the Arabs lost all the wars to the Jews.

There would never be a Palestinian people, had the Arabs succeeded in destroying Israel and retaking the land to Islam.

But you never really answered my post.

The problem is that you seem to think no one else in Palestine had a history except the Jews.

 

[Sixties Fan]

This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab

There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.

"The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique."

Why can't that uniqueness be found in the last 5000 to 10,000 years.
Why did it develop only after the Mandate for Palestine for the re creation of the Jewish Nation ON their Jewish homeland?

How would you know? The Jews arrived in Palestine from Germany, Poland, Russia etc. Most of them didn't speak Hebrew either.

Yes, the Jews who had much earlier in history migrated to Europe, were now returning to their homeland.

Jews have been returning to their homeland for centuries.

After pogroms, the Inquisition, etc. Jews were always returning to their ancient homeland to join all the other Jews who had never left their homeland, or what is now known as the Middle East.

Jewish history is known all over the world, from its ancient time.


Palestinian history is known only since the Mandate for Palestine and since the Arabs lost all the wars to the Jews.

There would never be a Palestinian people, had the Arabs succeeded in destroying Israel and retaking the land to Islam.

But you never really answered my post.

The problem is that you seem to think no one else in Palestine had a history except the Jews.

Plenty of peoples had a history in Ancient Canaan.

But not today's Palestinians, and not the descendants of the Arab Muslim invaders.

 

[Sixties Fan]

( This is the best explanation one can find about what happened to all the Canaanite tribes which lived in Canaan and what happened to them)

Are Canaanites Arabs?

TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Arabs came from Arabia. It is more accurate to say that most of the surviving people of Canaanite genetic extraction were “Arabized” during the Arab Conquests of the 7th century, not the other way around.

According to Biblical accounts, there were seven, separate ancient Canaanite nations, in addition to the Jews, who were also genetically Canaanite: secular scholars once thought these ”Canaanite nations” were fictitious and mythical, until archeological evidence began turning up regarding the formerly-unknown (except in the Bible) Hittite nation. Most scholars now agree there were in fact several different “nations” (ethnic groups) co-existing in the same territory known as Canaan during the late Bronze Age. People back then did not have the concept of the modern nation-state as we do now; instead, there were numerous independent city-states, of various different ethnicities, none of which had exclusive control over the entire territory known as Canaan. In addition, nomadic herding peoples traveled in and out of the region freely, interspersed among the settled cities of the various nations. All of these people could be considered “Canaanites” in the sense that they lived in Canaan.

The Jews are the only indigenous Canaanite people who retain their culture in a continuous, unbroken line from ancient times until today.

Arabs come from Arabia. During the great expansion of Islam (also known as the Arab Conquest) led by Mohammed’s followers in the 7th century C.E., Arab Muslims from Arabia spread out to invade and conquer (in the name of Islam, which was, especially then, both a political system and a religion) most of the Levant, Mesopotamia, North Africa, and so on. The peoples of those places — that is, the non-Arab nations who lived there previously — found their indigenous cultures were suppressed, and they were assimilated into the “Arab (Muslim) nation,” abandoning (for the most part) their native languages, religions, and cultures, and adopting the Arabic language, Muslim religion, and Arab culture instead.

There were, of course, exceptions. Many Christians and Jews in those regions under the Arab Conquest retained their previous religion. A few retained their indigenous languages, among them Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic, and so on.

But, there are no modern “Canaanites.” That collection of ethnicities became extinct, except for the Jews, even before the Roman conquest of Judea (the Jewish kingdom that arose in Canaan) had occurred. The people of what is now Lebanon had become Hellenized (Greek culture) after Alexander’s conquest in the 4th century B.C.E. — speaking Greek, worshiping the Greek gods, and so on — and then became Greek-cultured, Hellenic Christians after the rise of Gentile (Greek) Christianity in the eastern Mediterranean under the apostle Paul. This they remained, until the Muslim conquest in the 7th century, when some of them remained Christian, and some converted to Islam. And, of course, a portion of the Jews, who remained Jewish, continued to live in the Levant — in “Canaan” — as well, though most of their fellow Jews had been exiled to other lands by the Roman conquest around the turn of the common era.

Genes tell part of the story, but not the whole story. Ethnicity is mostly a matter of culture, not genes. And there are no “Canaanites” today. Except, that is, for the Jews, who are and always were a people of Canaan, and who still pursue an unbroken continuation of the ancient culture they held to back then.

Are Canaanites Arabs?

Answer (1 of 18): Are Canaanites Arabs? TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Ara...

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[surada]

This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab

There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.

"The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique."

Why can't that uniqueness be found in the last 5000 to 10,000 years.
Why did it develop only after the Mandate for Palestine for the re creation of the Jewish Nation ON their Jewish homeland?

How would you know? The Jews arrived in Palestine from Germany, Poland, Russia etc. Most of them didn't speak Hebrew either.

Yes, the Jews who had much earlier in history migrated to Europe, were now returning to their homeland.

Jews have been returning to their homeland for centuries.

After pogroms, the Inquisition, etc. Jews were always returning to their ancient homeland to join all the other Jews who had never left their homeland, or what is now known as the Middle East.

Jewish history is known all over the world, from its ancient time.


Palestinian history is known only since the Mandate for Palestine and since the Arabs lost all the wars to the Jews.

There would never be a Palestinian people, had the Arabs succeeded in destroying Israel and retaking the land to Islam.

But you never really answered my post.

The problem is that you seem to think no one else in Palestine had a history except the Jews.

Plenty of peoples had a history in Ancient Canaan.

But not today's Palestinians, and not the descendants of the Arab Muslim invaders.

LOLOL.. What do you think happened to all those people?

 

[surada]

( This is the best explanation one can find about what happened to all the Canaanite tribes which lived in Canaan and what happened to them)

Are Canaanites Arabs?

TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Arabs came from Arabia. It is more accurate to say that most of the surviving people of Canaanite genetic extraction were “Arabized” during the Arab Conquests of the 7th century, not the other way around.

According to Biblical accounts, there were seven, separate ancient Canaanite nations, in addition to the Jews, who were also genetically Canaanite: secular scholars once thought these ”Canaanite nations” were fictitious and mythical, until archeological evidence began turning up regarding the formerly-unknown (except in the Bible) Hittite nation. Most scholars now agree there were in fact several different “nations” (ethnic groups) co-existing in the same territory known as Canaan during the late Bronze Age. People back then did not have the concept of the modern nation-state as we do now; instead, there were numerous independent city-states, of various different ethnicities, none of which had exclusive control over the entire territory known as Canaan. In addition, nomadic herding peoples traveled in and out of the region freely, interspersed among the settled cities of the various nations. All of these people could be considered “Canaanites” in the sense that they lived in Canaan.

The Jews are the only indigenous Canaanite people who retain their culture in a continuous, unbroken line from ancient times until today.

Arabs come from Arabia. During the great expansion of Islam (also known as the Arab Conquest) led by Mohammed’s followers in the 7th century C.E., Arab Muslims from Arabia spread out to invade and conquer (in the name of Islam, which was, especially then, both a political system and a religion) most of the Levant, Mesopotamia, North Africa, and so on. The peoples of those places — that is, the non-Arab nations who lived there previously — found their indigenous cultures were suppressed, and they were assimilated into the “Arab (Muslim) nation,” abandoning (for the most part) their native languages, religions, and cultures, and adopting the Arabic language, Muslim religion, and Arab culture instead.

There were, of course, exceptions. Many Christians and Jews in those regions under the Arab Conquest retained their previous religion. A few retained their indigenous languages, among them Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic, and so on.

But, there are no modern “Canaanites.” That collection of ethnicities became extinct, except for the Jews, even before the Roman conquest of Judea (the Jewish kingdom that arose in Canaan) had occurred. The people of what is now Lebanon had become Hellenized (Greek culture) after Alexander’s conquest in the 4th century B.C.E. — speaking Greek, worshiping the Greek gods, and so on — and then became Greek-cultured, Hellenic Christians after the rise of Gentile (Greek) Christianity in the eastern Mediterranean under the apostle Paul. This they remained, until the Muslim conquest in the 7th century, when some of them remained Christian, and some converted to Islam. And, of course, a portion of the Jews, who remained Jewish, continued to live in the Levant — in “Canaan” — as well, though most of their fellow Jews had been exiled to other lands by the Roman conquest around the turn of the common era.

Genes tell part of the story, but not the whole story. Ethnicity is mostly a matter of culture, not genes. And there are no “Canaanites” today. Except, that is, for the Jews, who are and always were a people of Canaan, and who still pursue an unbroken continuation of the ancient culture they held to back then.

Are Canaanites Arabs?

Answer (1 of 18): Are Canaanites Arabs? TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Ara...

www.quora.com

From your link.

YES YES YES they are one of many ancient Arabs tribes . They are also known Phoenicians who migrated from south east Arabia Dilmun ( modern day Bahrain ) ,Circum-Arabian Nomadic Pastoral Complex , which means they moved due to climate crises around 6,200 BC of the hot desert ( Jarius Zarins )The are Arab people families till this day with the surnames Canaan , not found in Israel or Europe .

 

[Sixties Fan]

This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab

There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.

Jews are a Ethnicity besides a religion.

Being Arab is also a Ethnicity.


Different Ethnicities.

The Jews were never referred to as Arab Jews until recently.

Iraqi Jews
Syrian Jews
Iranian Jews
Lebanese Jews
Moroccan Jews
Egyptian Jews
Lybian Jews
etc

Iraqi Christians
Syrian Christians
Iranian Christians
Lebanese Christians
etc

LOLOL. Did you know that Arab Christians and Arab Jews call God Allah?

Have you been anywhere in the Middle East?

Jews of Arab conquered lands call the G-D of Abraham "Allah"?

I would like a link, from the Hebrew Scriptures to that.

I AM from the Middle East.

So you're Jewish. You can easily look up the word Allah and see how it is used by Arabic speaking Christians and Jews. Just choose a source you like. They use another word in Farsi and I don't know about Amharic.

Hebrew scripture would be in Hebrew, right?

I do not know which Jews would call the G-D of Abraham Allah. I have only heard Jews, from many places and languages call him by the Hebrew Heloim.
Or the word from each country where they live, be it Deus, Dio, Dios, God, or whichever language.

But, this is not part of this thread.


And you continue to not answer my questions.

 

[surada]

This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab

There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.

Jews are a Ethnicity besides a religion.

Being Arab is also a Ethnicity.


Different Ethnicities.

The Jews were never referred to as Arab Jews until recently.

Iraqi Jews
Syrian Jews
Iranian Jews
Lebanese Jews
Moroccan Jews
Egyptian Jews
Lybian Jews
etc

Iraqi Christians
Syrian Christians
Iranian Christians
Lebanese Christians
etc

LOLOL. Did you know that Arab Christians and Arab Jews call God Allah?

Have you been anywhere in the Middle East?

Jews of Arab conquered lands call the G-D of Abraham "Allah"?

I would like a link, from the Hebrew Scriptures to that.

I AM from the Middle East.

So you're Jewish. You can easily look up the word Allah and see how it is used by Arabic speaking Christians and Jews. Just choose a source you like. They use another word in Farsi and I don't know about Amharic.

Hebrew scripture would be in Hebrew, right?

I do not know which Jews would call the G-D of Abraham Allah. I have only heard Jews, from many places and languages call him by the Hebrew Heloim.
Or the word from each country where they live, be it Deus, Dio, Dios, God, or whichever language.

But, this is not part of this thread.


And you continue to not answer my questions.

Like Deus, Dio, Dios or Gott, Allah is God for Arabic speaking people.

 

[Dusty]

It is understandable that some posters may confuse or deny the use of the word Palestinians, for a people, with the word Palestine, for a region in Ancient Canaan.

Which is it? Has a Palestinian identity and culture existed since a mass migration to Canaan 10,000 years ago, (was there such a mass migration?) or were they there since the time of Abraham, or are they a more modern creation after the Balfour Declaration, Mandate for PALESTINE, and Israel's Independence in 1948?

Was the identity created by Nasser in 1964 in Moscow with the help of the Soviet KGB? For what reason?

This is the thread to show Palestinian History before the Mandate for Palestine. The Palestinian Museum is rather silent about it.

The Palestinian Museum | The Palestinian Museum

www.palmuseum.org

Palestine, the region:

The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1948, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.

Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes.

From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.

Palestine | HISTORY , Religion & Conflicts | HISTORY

Palestine is a small region of land in the eastern Mediterranean region that includes parts of modern Israel and the Palestinian territories of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. It has played a prominent role in the ancient and modern history of the Middle East and has been marked by frequent...

www.history.com

Palestinians, the People:

The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods on JSTOR

Baruch Kimmerling, The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods, Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Apr., 2000), pp. 48-81

www.jstor.org

PIJ.ORG: Reflections on Writing the History of Palestinian Identity By Issam Nassar

An independent publication, with an often critical voice, the Palestine-Israel Journal provides background material and in-depth analysis of various aspects of the conflict from the perspective of both sides, thus helping to shed light on the complex issues dividing Israelis and Palestinians and...

pij.org

Palestinians: Invented People

Both historically and in contemporary times, the Arabs living in the area now known as Palestine were regarded both by outsiders and by their own spokespeople as members of the greater Arab population

besacenter.org

Was there a Palestinian “national identity” prior to 1964?

From the blog of Alan Meyer at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

I cannot find one invader or visitor to the area who identified any of the population present as Palestinian. Any Arabs, Bedouin or Druze who might have called themselves or would be identified by that national identity by any of those invaders, visitors or inhabitants.

The Ottoman Census of 1831 to 1917 divides the population of the region as such:

https://psi424.cankaya.edu.tr/uploads/files/Shaw,%20Ott%20Census%20System%20and%20Pop,%201831-1914%20(1978).pdf

Thanks to all who join this conversation

6000 years ago all Jews and Palestinians alive today had the same mother, so genetically they are equal.

 

[Sixties Fan]

( This is the best explanation one can find about what happened to all the Canaanite tribes which lived in Canaan and what happened to them)

Are Canaanites Arabs?

TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Arabs came from Arabia. It is more accurate to say that most of the surviving people of Canaanite genetic extraction were “Arabized” during the Arab Conquests of the 7th century, not the other way around.

According to Biblical accounts, there were seven, separate ancient Canaanite nations, in addition to the Jews, who were also genetically Canaanite: secular scholars once thought these ”Canaanite nations” were fictitious and mythical, until archeological evidence began turning up regarding the formerly-unknown (except in the Bible) Hittite nation. Most scholars now agree there were in fact several different “nations” (ethnic groups) co-existing in the same territory known as Canaan during the late Bronze Age. People back then did not have the concept of the modern nation-state as we do now; instead, there were numerous independent city-states, of various different ethnicities, none of which had exclusive control over the entire territory known as Canaan. In addition, nomadic herding peoples traveled in and out of the region freely, interspersed among the settled cities of the various nations. All of these people could be considered “Canaanites” in the sense that they lived in Canaan.

The Jews are the only indigenous Canaanite people who retain their culture in a continuous, unbroken line from ancient times until today.

Arabs come from Arabia. During the great expansion of Islam (also known as the Arab Conquest) led by Mohammed’s followers in the 7th century C.E., Arab Muslims from Arabia spread out to invade and conquer (in the name of Islam, which was, especially then, both a political system and a religion) most of the Levant, Mesopotamia, North Africa, and so on. The peoples of those places — that is, the non-Arab nations who lived there previously — found their indigenous cultures were suppressed, and they were assimilated into the “Arab (Muslim) nation,” abandoning (for the most part) their native languages, religions, and cultures, and adopting the Arabic language, Muslim religion, and Arab culture instead.

There were, of course, exceptions. Many Christians and Jews in those regions under the Arab Conquest retained their previous religion. A few retained their indigenous languages, among them Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic, and so on.

But, there are no modern “Canaanites.” That collection of ethnicities became extinct, except for the Jews, even before the Roman conquest of Judea (the Jewish kingdom that arose in Canaan) had occurred. The people of what is now Lebanon had become Hellenized (Greek culture) after Alexander’s conquest in the 4th century B.C.E. — speaking Greek, worshiping the Greek gods, and so on — and then became Greek-cultured, Hellenic Christians after the rise of Gentile (Greek) Christianity in the eastern Mediterranean under the apostle Paul. This they remained, until the Muslim conquest in the 7th century, when some of them remained Christian, and some converted to Islam. And, of course, a portion of the Jews, who remained Jewish, continued to live in the Levant — in “Canaan” — as well, though most of their fellow Jews had been exiled to other lands by the Roman conquest around the turn of the common era.

Genes tell part of the story, but not the whole story. Ethnicity is mostly a matter of culture, not genes. And there are no “Canaanites” today. Except, that is, for the Jews, who are and always were a people of Canaan, and who still pursue an unbroken continuation of the ancient culture they held to back then.

Are Canaanites Arabs?

Answer (1 of 18): Are Canaanites Arabs? TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Ara...

www.quora.com

From your link.

YES YES YES they are one of many ancient Arabs tribes . They are also known Phoenicians who migrated from south east Arabia Dilmun ( modern day Bahrain ) ,Circum-Arabian Nomadic Pastoral Complex , which means they moved due to climate crises around 6,200 BC of the hot desert ( Jarius Zarins )The are Arab people families till this day with the surnames Canaan , not found in Israel or Europe .

It is understandable that some posters may confuse or deny the use of the word Palestinians, for a people, with the word Palestine, for a region in Ancient Canaan.

Which is it? Has a Palestinian identity and culture existed since a mass migration to Canaan 10,000 years ago, (was there such a mass migration?) or were they there since the time of Abraham, or are they a more modern creation after the Balfour Declaration, Mandate for PALESTINE, and Israel's Independence in 1948?

Was the identity created by Nasser in 1964 in Moscow with the help of the Soviet KGB? For what reason?

This is the thread to show Palestinian History before the Mandate for Palestine. The Palestinian Museum is rather silent about it.

The Palestinian Museum | The Palestinian Museum

www.palmuseum.org

Palestine, the region:

The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1948, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.

Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes.

From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.

Palestine | HISTORY , Religion & Conflicts | HISTORY

Palestine is a small region of land in the eastern Mediterranean region that includes parts of modern Israel and the Palestinian territories of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. It has played a prominent role in the ancient and modern history of the Middle East and has been marked by frequent...

www.history.com

Palestinians, the People:

The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods on JSTOR

Baruch Kimmerling, The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods, Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Apr., 2000), pp. 48-81

www.jstor.org

PIJ.ORG: Reflections on Writing the History of Palestinian Identity By Issam Nassar

An independent publication, with an often critical voice, the Palestine-Israel Journal provides background material and in-depth analysis of various aspects of the conflict from the perspective of both sides, thus helping to shed light on the complex issues dividing Israelis and Palestinians and...

pij.org

Palestinians: Invented People

Both historically and in contemporary times, the Arabs living in the area now known as Palestine were regarded both by outsiders and by their own spokespeople as members of the greater Arab population

besacenter.org

Was there a Palestinian “national identity” prior to 1964?

From the blog of Alan Meyer at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

I cannot find one invader or visitor to the area who identified any of the population present as Palestinian. Any Arabs, Bedouin or Druze who might have called themselves or would be identified by that national identity by any of those invaders, visitors or inhabitants.

The Ottoman Census of 1831 to 1917 divides the population of the region as such:

https://psi424.cankaya.edu.tr/uploads/files/Shaw,%20Ott%20Census%20System%20and%20Pop,%201831-1914%20(1978).pdf

Thanks to all who join this conversation

6000 years ago all Jews and Palestinians alive today had the same mother, so genetically they are equal.

Just who was that mother?

 

[Sixties Fan]

This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab

There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.

"The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique."

Why can't that uniqueness be found in the last 5000 to 10,000 years.
Why did it develop only after the Mandate for Palestine for the re creation of the Jewish Nation ON their Jewish homeland?

How would you know? The Jews arrived in Palestine from Germany, Poland, Russia etc. Most of them didn't speak Hebrew either.

Yes, the Jews who had much earlier in history migrated to Europe, were now returning to their homeland.

Jews have been returning to their homeland for centuries.

After pogroms, the Inquisition, etc. Jews were always returning to their ancient homeland to join all the other Jews who had never left their homeland, or what is now known as the Middle East.

Jewish history is known all over the world, from its ancient time.


Palestinian history is known only since the Mandate for Palestine and since the Arabs lost all the wars to the Jews.

There would never be a Palestinian people, had the Arabs succeeded in destroying Israel and retaking the land to Islam.

But you never really answered my post.

The problem is that you seem to think no one else in Palestine had a history except the Jews.

Plenty of peoples had a history in Ancient Canaan.

But not today's Palestinians, and not the descendants of the Arab Muslim invaders.

LOLOL.. What do you think happened to all those people?

What archeological proof do you have of what happened to all of those tribes and people?

And why didn't the Arab invaders of the 7th Century acknowledge them when they arrived on the land?

Had they not heard about them?

 

[Dusty]

( This is the best explanation one can find about what happened to all the Canaanite tribes which lived in Canaan and what happened to them)

Are Canaanites Arabs?

TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Arabs came from Arabia. It is more accurate to say that most of the surviving people of Canaanite genetic extraction were “Arabized” during the Arab Conquests of the 7th century, not the other way around.

According to Biblical accounts, there were seven, separate ancient Canaanite nations, in addition to the Jews, who were also genetically Canaanite: secular scholars once thought these ”Canaanite nations” were fictitious and mythical, until archeological evidence began turning up regarding the formerly-unknown (except in the Bible) Hittite nation. Most scholars now agree there were in fact several different “nations” (ethnic groups) co-existing in the same territory known as Canaan during the late Bronze Age. People back then did not have the concept of the modern nation-state as we do now; instead, there were numerous independent city-states, of various different ethnicities, none of which had exclusive control over the entire territory known as Canaan. In addition, nomadic herding peoples traveled in and out of the region freely, interspersed among the settled cities of the various nations. All of these people could be considered “Canaanites” in the sense that they lived in Canaan.

The Jews are the only indigenous Canaanite people who retain their culture in a continuous, unbroken line from ancient times until today.

Arabs come from Arabia. During the great expansion of Islam (also known as the Arab Conquest) led by Mohammed’s followers in the 7th century C.E., Arab Muslims from Arabia spread out to invade and conquer (in the name of Islam, which was, especially then, both a political system and a religion) most of the Levant, Mesopotamia, North Africa, and so on. The peoples of those places — that is, the non-Arab nations who lived there previously — found their indigenous cultures were suppressed, and they were assimilated into the “Arab (Muslim) nation,” abandoning (for the most part) their native languages, religions, and cultures, and adopting the Arabic language, Muslim religion, and Arab culture instead.

There were, of course, exceptions. Many Christians and Jews in those regions under the Arab Conquest retained their previous religion. A few retained their indigenous languages, among them Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic, and so on.

But, there are no modern “Canaanites.” That collection of ethnicities became extinct, except for the Jews, even before the Roman conquest of Judea (the Jewish kingdom that arose in Canaan) had occurred. The people of what is now Lebanon had become Hellenized (Greek culture) after Alexander’s conquest in the 4th century B.C.E. — speaking Greek, worshiping the Greek gods, and so on — and then became Greek-cultured, Hellenic Christians after the rise of Gentile (Greek) Christianity in the eastern Mediterranean under the apostle Paul. This they remained, until the Muslim conquest in the 7th century, when some of them remained Christian, and some converted to Islam. And, of course, a portion of the Jews, who remained Jewish, continued to live in the Levant — in “Canaan” — as well, though most of their fellow Jews had been exiled to other lands by the Roman conquest around the turn of the common era.

Genes tell part of the story, but not the whole story. Ethnicity is mostly a matter of culture, not genes. And there are no “Canaanites” today. Except, that is, for the Jews, who are and always were a people of Canaan, and who still pursue an unbroken continuation of the ancient culture they held to back then.

Are Canaanites Arabs?

Answer (1 of 18): Are Canaanites Arabs? TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Ara...

www.quora.com

From your link.

YES YES YES they are one of many ancient Arabs tribes . They are also known Phoenicians who migrated from south east Arabia Dilmun ( modern day Bahrain ) ,Circum-Arabian Nomadic Pastoral Complex , which means they moved due to climate crises around 6,200 BC of the hot desert ( Jarius Zarins )The are Arab people families till this day with the surnames Canaan , not found in Israel or Europe .

It is understandable that some posters may confuse or deny the use of the word Palestinians, for a people, with the word Palestine, for a region in Ancient Canaan.

Which is it? Has a Palestinian identity and culture existed since a mass migration to Canaan 10,000 years ago, (was there such a mass migration?) or were they there since the time of Abraham, or are they a more modern creation after the Balfour Declaration, Mandate for PALESTINE, and Israel's Independence in 1948?

Was the identity created by Nasser in 1964 in Moscow with the help of the Soviet KGB? For what reason?

This is the thread to show Palestinian History before the Mandate for Palestine. The Palestinian Museum is rather silent about it.

The Palestinian Museum | The Palestinian Museum

www.palmuseum.org

Palestine, the region:

The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1948, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.

Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes.

From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.

Palestine | HISTORY , Religion & Conflicts | HISTORY

Palestine is a small region of land in the eastern Mediterranean region that includes parts of modern Israel and the Palestinian territories of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. It has played a prominent role in the ancient and modern history of the Middle East and has been marked by frequent...

www.history.com

Palestinians, the People:

The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods on JSTOR

Baruch Kimmerling, The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods, Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Apr., 2000), pp. 48-81

www.jstor.org

PIJ.ORG: Reflections on Writing the History of Palestinian Identity By Issam Nassar

An independent publication, with an often critical voice, the Palestine-Israel Journal provides background material and in-depth analysis of various aspects of the conflict from the perspective of both sides, thus helping to shed light on the complex issues dividing Israelis and Palestinians and...

pij.org

Palestinians: Invented People

Both historically and in contemporary times, the Arabs living in the area now known as Palestine were regarded both by outsiders and by their own spokespeople as members of the greater Arab population

besacenter.org

Was there a Palestinian “national identity” prior to 1964?

From the blog of Alan Meyer at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

I cannot find one invader or visitor to the area who identified any of the population present as Palestinian. Any Arabs, Bedouin or Druze who might have called themselves or would be identified by that national identity by any of those invaders, visitors or inhabitants.

The Ottoman Census of 1831 to 1917 divides the population of the region as such:

https://psi424.cankaya.edu.tr/uploads/files/Shaw,%20Ott%20Census%20System%20and%20Pop,%201831-1914%20(1978).pdf

Thanks to all who join this conversation

6000 years ago all Jews and Palestinians alive today had the same mother, so genetically they are equal.

Just who was that mother?

Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese, study finds

If a common heritage conferred peace, then perhaps the long history of conflict in the Middle East would have been resolved years ago. For, according to a new scientific study, Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, and they all share a common genetic lineage that...

www.sciencedaily.com

It's derived from DNA telomeres I believe

 

[Sixties Fan]

( This is the best explanation one can find about what happened to all the Canaanite tribes which lived in Canaan and what happened to them)

Are Canaanites Arabs?

TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Arabs came from Arabia. It is more accurate to say that most of the surviving people of Canaanite genetic extraction were “Arabized” during the Arab Conquests of the 7th century, not the other way around.

According to Biblical accounts, there were seven, separate ancient Canaanite nations, in addition to the Jews, who were also genetically Canaanite: secular scholars once thought these ”Canaanite nations” were fictitious and mythical, until archeological evidence began turning up regarding the formerly-unknown (except in the Bible) Hittite nation. Most scholars now agree there were in fact several different “nations” (ethnic groups) co-existing in the same territory known as Canaan during the late Bronze Age. People back then did not have the concept of the modern nation-state as we do now; instead, there were numerous independent city-states, of various different ethnicities, none of which had exclusive control over the entire territory known as Canaan. In addition, nomadic herding peoples traveled in and out of the region freely, interspersed among the settled cities of the various nations. All of these people could be considered “Canaanites” in the sense that they lived in Canaan.

The Jews are the only indigenous Canaanite people who retain their culture in a continuous, unbroken line from ancient times until today.

Arabs come from Arabia. During the great expansion of Islam (also known as the Arab Conquest) led by Mohammed’s followers in the 7th century C.E., Arab Muslims from Arabia spread out to invade and conquer (in the name of Islam, which was, especially then, both a political system and a religion) most of the Levant, Mesopotamia, North Africa, and so on. The peoples of those places — that is, the non-Arab nations who lived there previously — found their indigenous cultures were suppressed, and they were assimilated into the “Arab (Muslim) nation,” abandoning (for the most part) their native languages, religions, and cultures, and adopting the Arabic language, Muslim religion, and Arab culture instead.

There were, of course, exceptions. Many Christians and Jews in those regions under the Arab Conquest retained their previous religion. A few retained their indigenous languages, among them Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic, and so on.

But, there are no modern “Canaanites.” That collection of ethnicities became extinct, except for the Jews, even before the Roman conquest of Judea (the Jewish kingdom that arose in Canaan) had occurred. The people of what is now Lebanon had become Hellenized (Greek culture) after Alexander’s conquest in the 4th century B.C.E. — speaking Greek, worshiping the Greek gods, and so on — and then became Greek-cultured, Hellenic Christians after the rise of Gentile (Greek) Christianity in the eastern Mediterranean under the apostle Paul. This they remained, until the Muslim conquest in the 7th century, when some of them remained Christian, and some converted to Islam. And, of course, a portion of the Jews, who remained Jewish, continued to live in the Levant — in “Canaan” — as well, though most of their fellow Jews had been exiled to other lands by the Roman conquest around the turn of the common era.

Genes tell part of the story, but not the whole story. Ethnicity is mostly a matter of culture, not genes. And there are no “Canaanites” today. Except, that is, for the Jews, who are and always were a people of Canaan, and who still pursue an unbroken continuation of the ancient culture they held to back then.

Are Canaanites Arabs?

Answer (1 of 18): Are Canaanites Arabs? TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Ara...

www.quora.com

From your link.

YES YES YES they are one of many ancient Arabs tribes . They are also known Phoenicians who migrated from south east Arabia Dilmun ( modern day Bahrain ) ,Circum-Arabian Nomadic Pastoral Complex , which means they moved due to climate crises around 6,200 BC of the hot desert ( Jarius Zarins )The are Arab people families till this day with the surnames Canaan , not found in Israel or Europe .

Here is another date for Arabs coming to Canaan.
6200

So, which is it

10,000
6200
3800

 

[surada]

This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab

There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.

"The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique."

Why can't that uniqueness be found in the last 5000 to 10,000 years.
Why did it develop only after the Mandate for Palestine for the re creation of the Jewish Nation ON their Jewish homeland?

How would you know? The Jews arrived in Palestine from Germany, Poland, Russia etc. Most of them didn't speak Hebrew either.

Yes, the Jews who had much earlier in history migrated to Europe, were now returning to their homeland.

Jews have been returning to their homeland for centuries.

After pogroms, the Inquisition, etc. Jews were always returning to their ancient homeland to join all the other Jews who had never left their homeland, or what is now known as the Middle East.

Jewish history is known all over the world, from its ancient time.


Palestinian history is known only since the Mandate for Palestine and since the Arabs lost all the wars to the Jews.

There would never be a Palestinian people, had the Arabs succeeded in destroying Israel and retaking the land to Islam.

But you never really answered my post.

The problem is that you seem to think no one else in Palestine had a history except the Jews.

Plenty of peoples had a history in Ancient Canaan.

But not today's Palestinians, and not the descendants of the Arab Muslim invaders.

LOLOL.. What do you think happened to all those people?

What archeological proof do you have of what happened to all of those tribes and people?

And why didn't the Arab invaders of the 7th Century acknowledge them when they arrived on the land?

Had they not heard about them?

In what way would you have them acknowledged? Omar invited the Jews to return to Jerusalem and guaranteed their freedom to worship as they please. He cleared the city dump and began construction on the Al Aqsa.

Were you thinking that there were no Muslim Arabs in Palestine until the Treaty of Omar?

 

[surada]

( This is the best explanation one can find about what happened to all the Canaanite tribes which lived in Canaan and what happened to them)

Are Canaanites Arabs?

TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Arabs came from Arabia. It is more accurate to say that most of the surviving people of Canaanite genetic extraction were “Arabized” during the Arab Conquests of the 7th century, not the other way around.

According to Biblical accounts, there were seven, separate ancient Canaanite nations, in addition to the Jews, who were also genetically Canaanite: secular scholars once thought these ”Canaanite nations” were fictitious and mythical, until archeological evidence began turning up regarding the formerly-unknown (except in the Bible) Hittite nation. Most scholars now agree there were in fact several different “nations” (ethnic groups) co-existing in the same territory known as Canaan during the late Bronze Age. People back then did not have the concept of the modern nation-state as we do now; instead, there were numerous independent city-states, of various different ethnicities, none of which had exclusive control over the entire territory known as Canaan. In addition, nomadic herding peoples traveled in and out of the region freely, interspersed among the settled cities of the various nations. All of these people could be considered “Canaanites” in the sense that they lived in Canaan.

The Jews are the only indigenous Canaanite people who retain their culture in a continuous, unbroken line from ancient times until today.

Arabs come from Arabia. During the great expansion of Islam (also known as the Arab Conquest) led by Mohammed’s followers in the 7th century C.E., Arab Muslims from Arabia spread out to invade and conquer (in the name of Islam, which was, especially then, both a political system and a religion) most of the Levant, Mesopotamia, North Africa, and so on. The peoples of those places — that is, the non-Arab nations who lived there previously — found their indigenous cultures were suppressed, and they were assimilated into the “Arab (Muslim) nation,” abandoning (for the most part) their native languages, religions, and cultures, and adopting the Arabic language, Muslim religion, and Arab culture instead.

There were, of course, exceptions. Many Christians and Jews in those regions under the Arab Conquest retained their previous religion. A few retained their indigenous languages, among them Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic, and so on.

But, there are no modern “Canaanites.” That collection of ethnicities became extinct, except for the Jews, even before the Roman conquest of Judea (the Jewish kingdom that arose in Canaan) had occurred. The people of what is now Lebanon had become Hellenized (Greek culture) after Alexander’s conquest in the 4th century B.C.E. — speaking Greek, worshiping the Greek gods, and so on — and then became Greek-cultured, Hellenic Christians after the rise of Gentile (Greek) Christianity in the eastern Mediterranean under the apostle Paul. This they remained, until the Muslim conquest in the 7th century, when some of them remained Christian, and some converted to Islam. And, of course, a portion of the Jews, who remained Jewish, continued to live in the Levant — in “Canaan” — as well, though most of their fellow Jews had been exiled to other lands by the Roman conquest around the turn of the common era.

Genes tell part of the story, but not the whole story. Ethnicity is mostly a matter of culture, not genes. And there are no “Canaanites” today. Except, that is, for the Jews, who are and always were a people of Canaan, and who still pursue an unbroken continuation of the ancient culture they held to back then.

Are Canaanites Arabs?

Answer (1 of 18): Are Canaanites Arabs? TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Ara...

www.quora.com

From your link.

YES YES YES they are one of many ancient Arabs tribes . They are also known Phoenicians who migrated from south east Arabia Dilmun ( modern day Bahrain ) ,Circum-Arabian Nomadic Pastoral Complex , which means they moved due to climate crises around 6,200 BC of the hot desert ( Jarius Zarins )The are Arab people families till this day with the surnames Canaan , not found in Israel or Europe .

Yes, that is what Selim Al Rashid would say from Qora.
But is it true?
Did you read any of the other answers?

Who is Rashid, and where did he get that answer? What was his source?

The Rashidi are a very old and prominent tribe from Arabia.

What he wrote is common knowledge.. The big lie is a land without people for a people without land. Why do you think the European Zionists destroyed over 300 Arab villages in 1948 and 67 Druze villages in 1967?

 

[Sixties Fan]

( This is the best explanation one can find about what happened to all the Canaanite tribes which lived in Canaan and what happened to them)

Are Canaanites Arabs?

TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Arabs came from Arabia. It is more accurate to say that most of the surviving people of Canaanite genetic extraction were “Arabized” during the Arab Conquests of the 7th century, not the other way around.

According to Biblical accounts, there were seven, separate ancient Canaanite nations, in addition to the Jews, who were also genetically Canaanite: secular scholars once thought these ”Canaanite nations” were fictitious and mythical, until archeological evidence began turning up regarding the formerly-unknown (except in the Bible) Hittite nation. Most scholars now agree there were in fact several different “nations” (ethnic groups) co-existing in the same territory known as Canaan during the late Bronze Age. People back then did not have the concept of the modern nation-state as we do now; instead, there were numerous independent city-states, of various different ethnicities, none of which had exclusive control over the entire territory known as Canaan. In addition, nomadic herding peoples traveled in and out of the region freely, interspersed among the settled cities of the various nations. All of these people could be considered “Canaanites” in the sense that they lived in Canaan.

The Jews are the only indigenous Canaanite people who retain their culture in a continuous, unbroken line from ancient times until today.

Arabs come from Arabia. During the great expansion of Islam (also known as the Arab Conquest) led by Mohammed’s followers in the 7th century C.E., Arab Muslims from Arabia spread out to invade and conquer (in the name of Islam, which was, especially then, both a political system and a religion) most of the Levant, Mesopotamia, North Africa, and so on. The peoples of those places — that is, the non-Arab nations who lived there previously — found their indigenous cultures were suppressed, and they were assimilated into the “Arab (Muslim) nation,” abandoning (for the most part) their native languages, religions, and cultures, and adopting the Arabic language, Muslim religion, and Arab culture instead.

There were, of course, exceptions. Many Christians and Jews in those regions under the Arab Conquest retained their previous religion. A few retained their indigenous languages, among them Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic, and so on.

But, there are no modern “Canaanites.” That collection of ethnicities became extinct, except for the Jews, even before the Roman conquest of Judea (the Jewish kingdom that arose in Canaan) had occurred. The people of what is now Lebanon had become Hellenized (Greek culture) after Alexander’s conquest in the 4th century B.C.E. — speaking Greek, worshiping the Greek gods, and so on — and then became Greek-cultured, Hellenic Christians after the rise of Gentile (Greek) Christianity in the eastern Mediterranean under the apostle Paul. This they remained, until the Muslim conquest in the 7th century, when some of them remained Christian, and some converted to Islam. And, of course, a portion of the Jews, who remained Jewish, continued to live in the Levant — in “Canaan” — as well, though most of their fellow Jews had been exiled to other lands by the Roman conquest around the turn of the common era.

Genes tell part of the story, but not the whole story. Ethnicity is mostly a matter of culture, not genes. And there are no “Canaanites” today. Except, that is, for the Jews, who are and always were a people of Canaan, and who still pursue an unbroken continuation of the ancient culture they held to back then.

Are Canaanites Arabs?

Answer (1 of 18): Are Canaanites Arabs? TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Ara...

www.quora.com

From your link.

YES YES YES they are one of many ancient Arabs tribes . They are also known Phoenicians who migrated from south east Arabia Dilmun ( modern day Bahrain ) ,Circum-Arabian Nomadic Pastoral Complex , which means they moved due to climate crises around 6,200 BC of the hot desert ( Jarius Zarins )The are Arab people families till this day with the surnames Canaan , not found in Israel or Europe .

It is understandable that some posters may confuse or deny the use of the word Palestinians, for a people, with the word Palestine, for a region in Ancient Canaan.

Which is it? Has a Palestinian identity and culture existed since a mass migration to Canaan 10,000 years ago, (was there such a mass migration?) or were they there since the time of Abraham, or are they a more modern creation after the Balfour Declaration, Mandate for PALESTINE, and Israel's Independence in 1948?

Was the identity created by Nasser in 1964 in Moscow with the help of the Soviet KGB? For what reason?

This is the thread to show Palestinian History before the Mandate for Palestine. The Palestinian Museum is rather silent about it.

The Palestinian Museum | The Palestinian Museum

www.palmuseum.org

Palestine, the region:

The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1948, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.

Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes.

From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.

Palestine | HISTORY , Religion & Conflicts | HISTORY

Palestine is a small region of land in the eastern Mediterranean region that includes parts of modern Israel and the Palestinian territories of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. It has played a prominent role in the ancient and modern history of the Middle East and has been marked by frequent...

www.history.com

Palestinians, the People:

The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods on JSTOR

Baruch Kimmerling, The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods, Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Apr., 2000), pp. 48-81

www.jstor.org

PIJ.ORG: Reflections on Writing the History of Palestinian Identity By Issam Nassar

An independent publication, with an often critical voice, the Palestine-Israel Journal provides background material and in-depth analysis of various aspects of the conflict from the perspective of both sides, thus helping to shed light on the complex issues dividing Israelis and Palestinians and...

pij.org

Palestinians: Invented People

Both historically and in contemporary times, the Arabs living in the area now known as Palestine were regarded both by outsiders and by their own spokespeople as members of the greater Arab population

besacenter.org

Was there a Palestinian “national identity” prior to 1964?

From the blog of Alan Meyer at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

I cannot find one invader or visitor to the area who identified any of the population present as Palestinian. Any Arabs, Bedouin or Druze who might have called themselves or would be identified by that national identity by any of those invaders, visitors or inhabitants.

The Ottoman Census of 1831 to 1917 divides the population of the region as such:

https://psi424.cankaya.edu.tr/uploads/files/Shaw,%20Ott%20Census%20System%20and%20Pop,%201831-1914%20(1978).pdf

Thanks to all who join this conversation

6000 years ago all Jews and Palestinians alive today had the same mother, so genetically they are equal.

Just who was that mother?

Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese, study finds

If a common heritage conferred peace, then perhaps the long history of conflict in the Middle East would have been resolved years ago. For, according to a new scientific study, Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, and they all share a common genetic lineage that...

www.sciencedaily.com

It's derived from DNA telomeres I believe

Stop with these posts. This thread is not about DNA.

This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab

There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.

Jews are a Ethnicity besides a religion.

Being Arab is also a Ethnicity.


Different Ethnicities.

The Jews were never referred to as Arab Jews until recently.

Iraqi Jews
Syrian Jews
Iranian Jews
Lebanese Jews
Moroccan Jews
Egyptian Jews
Lybian Jews
etc

Iraqi Christians
Syrian Christians
Iranian Christians
Lebanese Christians
etc

LOLOL. Did you know that Arab Christians and Arab Jews call God Allah?

Have you been anywhere in the Middle East?

Jews of Arab conquered lands call the G-D of Abraham "Allah"?

I would like a link, from the Hebrew Scriptures to that.

I AM from the Middle East.

So you're Jewish. You can easily look up the word Allah and see how it is used by Arabic speaking Christians and Jews. Just choose a source you like. They use another word in Farsi and I don't know about Amharic.

Hebrew scripture would be in Hebrew, right?

I do not know which Jews would call the G-D of Abraham Allah. I have only heard Jews, from many places and languages call him by the Hebrew Heloim.
Or the word from each country where they live, be it Deus, Dio, Dios, God, or whichever language.

But, this is not part of this thread.


And you continue to not answer my questions.

Like Deus, Dio, Dios or Gott, Allah is God for Arabic speaking people.

I know a lot of Arab speaking Jews. None of them says Allah referring to the G-D of Abraham.

Maybe someday I will. But so far....

 

[Sixties Fan]

( This is the best explanation one can find about what happened to all the Canaanite tribes which lived in Canaan and what happened to them)

Are Canaanites Arabs?

TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Arabs came from Arabia. It is more accurate to say that most of the surviving people of Canaanite genetic extraction were “Arabized” during the Arab Conquests of the 7th century, not the other way around.

According to Biblical accounts, there were seven, separate ancient Canaanite nations, in addition to the Jews, who were also genetically Canaanite: secular scholars once thought these ”Canaanite nations” were fictitious and mythical, until archeological evidence began turning up regarding the formerly-unknown (except in the Bible) Hittite nation. Most scholars now agree there were in fact several different “nations” (ethnic groups) co-existing in the same territory known as Canaan during the late Bronze Age. People back then did not have the concept of the modern nation-state as we do now; instead, there were numerous independent city-states, of various different ethnicities, none of which had exclusive control over the entire territory known as Canaan. In addition, nomadic herding peoples traveled in and out of the region freely, interspersed among the settled cities of the various nations. All of these people could be considered “Canaanites” in the sense that they lived in Canaan.

The Jews are the only indigenous Canaanite people who retain their culture in a continuous, unbroken line from ancient times until today.

Arabs come from Arabia. During the great expansion of Islam (also known as the Arab Conquest) led by Mohammed’s followers in the 7th century C.E., Arab Muslims from Arabia spread out to invade and conquer (in the name of Islam, which was, especially then, both a political system and a religion) most of the Levant, Mesopotamia, North Africa, and so on. The peoples of those places — that is, the non-Arab nations who lived there previously — found their indigenous cultures were suppressed, and they were assimilated into the “Arab (Muslim) nation,” abandoning (for the most part) their native languages, religions, and cultures, and adopting the Arabic language, Muslim religion, and Arab culture instead.

There were, of course, exceptions. Many Christians and Jews in those regions under the Arab Conquest retained their previous religion. A few retained their indigenous languages, among them Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic, and so on.

But, there are no modern “Canaanites.” That collection of ethnicities became extinct, except for the Jews, even before the Roman conquest of Judea (the Jewish kingdom that arose in Canaan) had occurred. The people of what is now Lebanon had become Hellenized (Greek culture) after Alexander’s conquest in the 4th century B.C.E. — speaking Greek, worshiping the Greek gods, and so on — and then became Greek-cultured, Hellenic Christians after the rise of Gentile (Greek) Christianity in the eastern Mediterranean under the apostle Paul. This they remained, until the Muslim conquest in the 7th century, when some of them remained Christian, and some converted to Islam. And, of course, a portion of the Jews, who remained Jewish, continued to live in the Levant — in “Canaan” — as well, though most of their fellow Jews had been exiled to other lands by the Roman conquest around the turn of the common era.

Genes tell part of the story, but not the whole story. Ethnicity is mostly a matter of culture, not genes. And there are no “Canaanites” today. Except, that is, for the Jews, who are and always were a people of Canaan, and who still pursue an unbroken continuation of the ancient culture they held to back then.

Are Canaanites Arabs?

Answer (1 of 18): Are Canaanites Arabs? TL;DR: No. “Canaanite” is not a specific ethnicity, but a label for peoples who lived in Canaan in ancient times. Canaan is another name for the Levant, which is another name for the region that came to be known (after the Roman Conquest) as Palestine. Ara...

www.quora.com

From your link.

YES YES YES they are one of many ancient Arabs tribes . They are also known Phoenicians who migrated from south east Arabia Dilmun ( modern day Bahrain ) ,Circum-Arabian Nomadic Pastoral Complex , which means they moved due to climate crises around 6,200 BC of the hot desert ( Jarius Zarins )The are Arab people families till this day with the surnames Canaan , not found in Israel or Europe .

It is understandable that some posters may confuse or deny the use of the word Palestinians, for a people, with the word Palestine, for a region in Ancient Canaan.

Which is it? Has a Palestinian identity and culture existed since a mass migration to Canaan 10,000 years ago, (was there such a mass migration?) or were they there since the time of Abraham, or are they a more modern creation after the Balfour Declaration, Mandate for PALESTINE, and Israel's Independence in 1948?

Was the identity created by Nasser in 1964 in Moscow with the help of the Soviet KGB? For what reason?

This is the thread to show Palestinian History before the Mandate for Palestine. The Palestinian Museum is rather silent about it.

The Palestinian Museum | The Palestinian Museum

www.palmuseum.org

Palestine, the region:

The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1948, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.

Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes.

From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.

Palestine | HISTORY , Religion & Conflicts | HISTORY

Palestine is a small region of land in the eastern Mediterranean region that includes parts of modern Israel and the Palestinian territories of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. It has played a prominent role in the ancient and modern history of the Middle East and has been marked by frequent...

www.history.com

Palestinians, the People:

The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods on JSTOR

Baruch Kimmerling, The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods, Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Apr., 2000), pp. 48-81

www.jstor.org

PIJ.ORG: Reflections on Writing the History of Palestinian Identity By Issam Nassar

An independent publication, with an often critical voice, the Palestine-Israel Journal provides background material and in-depth analysis of various aspects of the conflict from the perspective of both sides, thus helping to shed light on the complex issues dividing Israelis and Palestinians and...

pij.org

Palestinians: Invented People

Both historically and in contemporary times, the Arabs living in the area now known as Palestine were regarded both by outsiders and by their own spokespeople as members of the greater Arab population

besacenter.org

Was there a Palestinian “national identity” prior to 1964?

From the blog of Alan Meyer at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

I cannot find one invader or visitor to the area who identified any of the population present as Palestinian. Any Arabs, Bedouin or Druze who might have called themselves or would be identified by that national identity by any of those invaders, visitors or inhabitants.

The Ottoman Census of 1831 to 1917 divides the population of the region as such:

https://psi424.cankaya.edu.tr/uploads/files/Shaw,%20Ott%20Census%20System%20and%20Pop,%201831-1914%20(1978).pdf

Thanks to all who join this conversation

6000 years ago all Jews and Palestinians alive today had the same mother, so genetically they are equal.

Just who was that mother?

Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese, study finds

If a common heritage conferred peace, then perhaps the long history of conflict in the Middle East would have been resolved years ago. For, according to a new scientific study, Jews are the genetic brothers of Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, and they all share a common genetic lineage that...

www.sciencedaily.com

It's derived from DNA telomeres I believe

We already debunked this "Study".

 

[Sixties Fan]

This thread looks for the reference, existence of a People called Palestinians, as opposed to the region called Palestine, before 1920 and the Mandate for Palestine.

Let us stick to that, please.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab


The term "Arab", as well as the presence of Arabians in the Syrian Desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century BCE (Eph'al 1984).[92] Southern Palestine had a large Edomite and Arab population by the 4th century BCE.[93] Inscriptional evidence over a millennium from the peripheral areas of Palestine, such as the Golan and the Negev, show a prevalence of Arab names over Aramaic names from the Achaemenid period,550 -330 BCE onwards.

[94][95] Bedouins have drifted in waves into Palestine since at least the 7th century, after the Muslim conquest. Some of them, like the Arab al-Sakhr south of Lake Kinneret trace their origins to the Hejaz or Najd in the Arabian Peninsula, while the Ghazawiyya's ancestry is said to go back to the Hauran's Misl al-Jizel tribes.[96] They speak distinct dialects of Arabic in the Galilee and the Negev.[97]

Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It refers to Arabs. Not one of those tribes, or cultures, was called Palestinian.

Arab presence is one thing. Palestinian presence is another.

Even the minority of Jewish Arabs or Arab speaking Jews were called Palestinians .. so were the Palestinian Christians.

al-Filasṭīniyyīn al-ʿarab

There are no Jewish Arabs, unless Arabs from Arabia converted to Judaism.

Muslims started saying that the Jews from the Arab conquered areas were "Arabs" to confuse people, and hope that the Jews would consider themselves Arabs.

In that case, Jews from Iraq would be Babylonian Jews (as they are known for having been taken to Babylon), and then the next conqueror, and the next conqueror and the next. But that is not the case.

Jews from other parts would be changing identity as well with every invading group.

That never happened because Jews are Jews.
The Arabs are Arabs from various tribes from Arabia which migrated, but kept their identity and culture through the ages.

It seems like only the Palestinians cannot find their ancestral identity and culture and have borrowed heavily from Egyptian or Saudi culture since 1920.

Jewish isn't a race. Its a religion. Arab isn't a race either. If they share the same DNA with all the Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine and speak Arabic they are Arab Jews.

Their DNA has more in common markers with Jews than with Saudis. That's the whole GD point.

You have never lived in the ME, have you? I mean you don't know anything about KSA or Libya or Kuwait or Lebanon..

The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique.

"The Palestinians are also related to Greeks, Turks, Romans and Crusaders... Their culture is quite unique."

Why can't that uniqueness be found in the last 5000 to 10,000 years.
Why did it develop only after the Mandate for Palestine for the re creation of the Jewish Nation ON their Jewish homeland?

How would you know? The Jews arrived in Palestine from Germany, Poland, Russia etc. Most of them didn't speak Hebrew either.

Yes, the Jews who had much earlier in history migrated to Europe, were now returning to their homeland.

Jews have been returning to their homeland for centuries.

After pogroms, the Inquisition, etc. Jews were always returning to their ancient homeland to join all the other Jews who had never left their homeland, or what is now known as the Middle East.

Jewish history is known all over the world, from its ancient time.


Palestinian history is known only since the Mandate for Palestine and since the Arabs lost all the wars to the Jews.

There would never be a Palestinian people, had the Arabs succeeded in destroying Israel and retaking the land to Islam.

But you never really answered my post.

The problem is that you seem to think no one else in Palestine had a history except the Jews.

Plenty of peoples had a history in Ancient Canaan.

But not today's Palestinians, and not the descendants of the Arab Muslim invaders.

LOLOL.. What do you think happened to all those people?

What archeological proof do you have of what happened to all of those tribes and people?

And why didn't the Arab invaders of the 7th Century acknowledge them when they arrived on the land?

Had they not heard about them?

In what way would you have them acknowledged? Omar invited the Jews to return to Jerusalem and guaranteed their freedom to worship as they please. He cleared the city dump and began construction on the Al Aqsa.

Were you thinking that there were no Muslim Arabs in Palestine until the Treaty of Omar?

There were no Muslim Arabs before the 1st Invasion, which was by the Kurdish Muslims. The second wave was of Muslim Arabs.

 

[Indeependent]

Can't be 10k years ago because according to the Jews the planet is only 5,780 years old

https://www.jstor.org/stable/24135821

We don't know as the stars were not created until the 4th day.
We also don't know the definition of the word Yome (Day) prior to the 4th day.

 

[Indeependent]

It is understandable that some posters may confuse or deny the use of the word Palestinians, for a people, with the word Palestine, for a region in Ancient Canaan.

Which is it? Has a Palestinian identity and culture existed since a mass migration to Canaan 10,000 years ago, or were they there since the time of Abraham, or are they a more modern creation after the Balfour Declaration, Mandate for PALESTINE, and Israel's Independence in 1948?

Was the identity created by Nasser in 1964 in Moscow with the help of the Soviet KGB? For what reason?

This is the thread to show Palestinian History before the Mandate for Palestine. The Palestinian Museum is rather silent about it.

The Palestinian Museum | The Palestinian Museum

www.palmuseum.org

Palestine, the region:

The word Palestine derives from the Greek word, Philistia, which dates to Ancient Greek writers' descriptions of the region in the 12th century B.C. Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I to 1948, Palestine typically referred to the geographic region located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. Arab people who call this territory home have been known as Palestinians since the early 20th century. Much of this land is now considered present-day Israel.

Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.

Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes.

From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.

Palestine | HISTORY , Religion & Conflicts | HISTORY

Palestine is a small region of land in the eastern Mediterranean region that includes parts of modern Israel and the Palestinian territories of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. It has played a prominent role in the ancient and modern history of the Middle East and has been marked by frequent...

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Palestinians, the People:

The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods on JSTOR

Baruch Kimmerling, The Formation of Palestinian Collective Identities: The Ottoman and Mandatory Periods, Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. 36, No. 2 (Apr., 2000), pp. 48-81

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PIJ.ORG: Reflections on Writing the History of Palestinian Identity By Issam Nassar

An independent publication, with an often critical voice, the Palestine-Israel Journal provides background material and in-depth analysis of various aspects of the conflict from the perspective of both sides, thus helping to shed light on the complex issues dividing Israelis and Palestinians and...

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Palestinians: Invented People

Both historically and in contemporary times, the Arabs living in the area now known as Palestine were regarded both by outsiders and by their own spokespeople as members of the greater Arab population

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Was there a Palestinian “national identity” prior to 1964?

From the blog of Alan Meyer at The Times of Israel

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I cannot find one invader or visitor to the area who identified any of the population present as Palestinian. Any Arabs, Bedouin or Druze who might have called themselves or would be identified by that national identity by any of those invaders, visitors or inhabitants.

The Ottoman Census of 1831 to 1917 divides the population of the region as such:

https://psi424.cankaya.edu.tr/uploads/files/Shaw,%20Ott%20Census%20System%20and%20Pop,%201831-1914%20(1978).pdf

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Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Ziporrah.

The Jews themselves are northcoast Canaanites from Urfa near Haran.

And Ketura's kids were escorted out of Canaan.
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