Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.

[P F Tinmore]

Workshop Wednesday: How we can stop funding the Israeli military & Abuse of Palestinian Children

 

[P F Tinmore]

Janna Jihad (youngest journalist in the world) : The Inalienable Right of Return (EN. VO)

 

[P F Tinmore]

Justice: What's The Right Thing To Do? Episode 04: "THIS LAND IS MY LAND"

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian right of return isn’t antisemitism. It’s UN Resolution 194.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel Propaganda in the News Media- UMass Professor Emeritus Sut Jhally

 

[P F Tinmore]

CRIMINALIZING DISSENT: THE ATTACK ON BDS AND PRO-PALESTINIAN SPEECH

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: There is a huge difference between:

(Ω) The prevention of the Incitement to Violence and Hatred 'vs' Criminalizing Dissent​

(Ω) Pursuing the international obligations which prohibit all advocacy that constitutes Incitement to Discrimination and Hostility 'vs' Criminalizing Dissent​

CRIMINALIZING DISSENT: THE ATTACK ON BDS AND PRO-PALESTINIAN SPEECH

(COMMENT)

First, let's make it clear at the outset: "The Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law." This is just fancy window dressing to cover for the fact that it is non-state actors that forge a form of economic coercion and intimidation, especially against the civilian citizenry, in the pursuit of political aims. The hidden agenda is the direct support of the violent counterpart factions.

(WHAT IS THE LAW)

Let's not twist this issue into something it is not. It is NOT an attack on free speech. (It is that simple.) And don't let them (BDS) kid you that it is.

◈ Article 20 International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR)​

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.​

​

◈ Article 4 International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD)​

States Parties condemn all propaganda and all organizations which are based on ideas or theories of superiority of one race or group of persons of one colour or ethnic origin, or which attempt to justify or promote racial hatred and discrimination in any form, and undertake to adopt immediate and positive measures designed to eradicate all incitement to, or acts of, such discrimination and, to this end, with due regard to the principles embodied in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the rights expressly set forth in article 5 of this Convention, inter alia:​

​

◈ Article 5 International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD)​

In compliance with the fundamental obligations laid down in article 2 of this Convention, States Parties undertake to prohibit and to eliminate racial discrimination in all its forms and to guarantee the right of everyone, without distinction as to race, colour, or national or ethnic origin, to equality before the law, notably in the enjoyment of the following rights:​

​

(e) Economic, social and cultural rights, in particular:​

(i) The rights to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work, to protection against unemployment, to equal pay for equal work, to just and favourable remuneration;​

The BDS Movement is a form of economic warfare with the intent of trying to impose economic sanctions against Israel. While the status and boundaries of the State of Palestine has not been resolved, the faction won the largest number of seats in the Palestinian Parliament (76 of 132) openly has a policy that Palestine (which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south) is an Arab Islamic land. They do not see the State of Israel holding any sovereignty. When you support the BDS Movement, you are essentially supporting the demise of the State of Israel.

The dispute here is between those that support the Arab Islamic Land 'vs' Israeli Sovereignty. To oppose the BDS Movement is to undertake to protections and rights of the regional minority (the Israelis) and to eliminate racial discrimination in all its forms and to guarantee the right of everyone, without distinction as to race, colour, or national or ethnic origin, to function under the International Covenants (CCPR/CERD).

(ONE FURTHER NOTE)

The goal of international law, relative to the Palestinian - Israeli dispute, is the maintain international peace and security. While most of the world (including those in the Middle East and North African Region) is working towards normalization, it is the Arab Palestinians the oppose such peaceful interaction. When you support the BDS Movement, you are on the side opposing normalization.

​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

Janna Jihad (youngest journalist in the world) : The Inalienable Right of Return (EN. VO)

There’s this creepy “thing” with Islam and pre-teen girls.

The Inalienable Right of Return (EN. VO) Young Female Abuse

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: There is a huge difference between:

(Ω) The prevention of the Incitement to Violence and Hatred 'vs' Criminalizing Dissent​

(Ω) Pursuing the international obligations which prohibit all advocacy that constitutes Incitement to Discrimination and Hostility 'vs' Criminalizing Dissent​

CRIMINALIZING DISSENT: THE ATTACK ON BDS AND PRO-PALESTINIAN SPEECH

(COMMENT)

First, let's make it clear at the outset: "The Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law." This is just fancy window dressing to cover for the fact that it is non-state actors that forge a form of economic coercion and intimidation, especially against the civilian citizenry, in the pursuit of political aims. The hidden agenda is the direct support of the violent counterpart factions.

(WHAT IS THE LAW)

Let's not twist this issue into something it is not. It is NOT an attack on free speech. (It is that simple.) And don't let them (BDS) kid you that it is.

◈ Article 20 International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR)​

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.​

​

◈ Article 4 International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD)​

States Parties condemn all propaganda and all organizations which are based on ideas or theories of superiority of one race or group of persons of one colour or ethnic origin, or which attempt to justify or promote racial hatred and discrimination in any form, and undertake to adopt immediate and positive measures designed to eradicate all incitement to, or acts of, such discrimination and, to this end, with due regard to the principles embodied in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the rights expressly set forth in article 5 of this Convention, inter alia:​

​

◈ Article 5 International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD)​

In compliance with the fundamental obligations laid down in article 2 of this Convention, States Parties undertake to prohibit and to eliminate racial discrimination in all its forms and to guarantee the right of everyone, without distinction as to race, colour, or national or ethnic origin, to equality before the law, notably in the enjoyment of the following rights:​

​

(e) Economic, social and cultural rights, in particular:​

(i) The rights to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work, to protection against unemployment, to equal pay for equal work, to just and favourable remuneration;​

The BDS Movement is a form of economic warfare with the intent of trying to impose economic sanctions against Israel. While the status and boundaries of the State of Palestine has not been resolved, the faction won the largest number of seats in the Palestinian Parliament (76 of 132) openly has a policy that Palestine (which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south) is an Arab Islamic land. They do not see the State of Israel holding any sovereignty. When you support the BDS Movement, you are essentially supporting the demise of the State of Israel.

The dispute here is between those that support the Arab Islamic Land 'vs' Israeli Sovereignty. To oppose the BDS Movement is to undertake to protections and rights of the regional minority (the Israelis) and to eliminate racial discrimination in all its forms and to guarantee the right of everyone, without distinction as to race, colour, or national or ethnic origin, to function under the International Covenants (CCPR/CERD).

(ONE FURTHER NOTE)

The goal of international law, relative to the Palestinian - Israeli dispute, is the maintain international peace and security. While most of the world (including those in the Middle East and North African Region) is working towards normalization, it is the Arab Palestinians the oppose such peaceful interaction. When you support the BDS Movement, you are on the side opposing normalization.

​

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Most Respectfully,
R

It is not about discrimination. It is about colonialism, occupation, and apartheid.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: There is a huge difference between:

(Ω) The prevention of the Incitement to Violence and Hatred 'vs' Criminalizing Dissent​

(Ω) Pursuing the international obligations which prohibit all advocacy that constitutes Incitement to Discrimination and Hostility 'vs' Criminalizing Dissent​

CRIMINALIZING DISSENT: THE ATTACK ON BDS AND PRO-PALESTINIAN SPEECH

(COMMENT)

First, let's make it clear at the outset: "The Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law." This is just fancy window dressing to cover for the fact that it is non-state actors that forge a form of economic coercion and intimidation, especially against the civilian citizenry, in the pursuit of political aims. The hidden agenda is the direct support of the violent counterpart factions.

(WHAT IS THE LAW)

Let's not twist this issue into something it is not. It is NOT an attack on free speech. (It is that simple.) And don't let them (BDS) kid you that it is.

◈ Article 20 International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR)​

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.​

​

◈ Article 4 International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD)​

States Parties condemn all propaganda and all organizations which are based on ideas or theories of superiority of one race or group of persons of one colour or ethnic origin, or which attempt to justify or promote racial hatred and discrimination in any form, and undertake to adopt immediate and positive measures designed to eradicate all incitement to, or acts of, such discrimination and, to this end, with due regard to the principles embodied in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the rights expressly set forth in article 5 of this Convention, inter alia:​

​

◈ Article 5 International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD)​

In compliance with the fundamental obligations laid down in article 2 of this Convention, States Parties undertake to prohibit and to eliminate racial discrimination in all its forms and to guarantee the right of everyone, without distinction as to race, colour, or national or ethnic origin, to equality before the law, notably in the enjoyment of the following rights:​

​

(e) Economic, social and cultural rights, in particular:​

(i) The rights to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work, to protection against unemployment, to equal pay for equal work, to just and favourable remuneration;​

The BDS Movement is a form of economic warfare with the intent of trying to impose economic sanctions against Israel. While the status and boundaries of the State of Palestine has not been resolved, the faction won the largest number of seats in the Palestinian Parliament (76 of 132) openly has a policy that Palestine (which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south) is an Arab Islamic land. They do not see the State of Israel holding any sovereignty. When you support the BDS Movement, you are essentially supporting the demise of the State of Israel.

The dispute here is between those that support the Arab Islamic Land 'vs' Israeli Sovereignty. To oppose the BDS Movement is to undertake to protections and rights of the regional minority (the Israelis) and to eliminate racial discrimination in all its forms and to guarantee the right of everyone, without distinction as to race, colour, or national or ethnic origin, to function under the International Covenants (CCPR/CERD).

(ONE FURTHER NOTE)

The goal of international law, relative to the Palestinian - Israeli dispute, is the maintain international peace and security. While most of the world (including those in the Middle East and North African Region) is working towards normalization, it is the Arab Palestinians the oppose such peaceful interaction. When you support the BDS Movement, you are on the side opposing normalization.

​

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Most Respectfully,
R

It is not about discrimination. It is about colonialism, occupation, and apartheid.

... but enough about the Hamas Charter and the history of Islamism.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Yeah - and who said what it is about.

It is not about discrimination. It is about colonialism, occupation, and apartheid.

(COMMENT)

There is no colonial power involved. Ask Committee 24. This is just a slogan that the Arab Palestinians hang on to; but, they have to redefine colonialism as it is outlined by the Committee ("exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization"). You can go back in time 60 years, and you will not find any decolonial issues in the Region under dispute.

In terms of occupation, just when did Israel occupy any territory under Palestinian Sovereignty?

Occupation and effective control is reached when the three criteria derived from Article 42 of the Hague Regulations of 1907 – are fulfilled.

Article 42 Hague Regulation​

Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.​

The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.​

​

While it can be said, since the territory was Jordanian, which came under effective control by Israel, it was at that point: "Sovereign Jordanian Territory" which was Occupied by Israeli in 1967. But in 1988, Jordan cut all ties with the West Bank and Jerusalem.​

​

So while Israeli Troops represented a foreign Army on the territory between 1967 and 1988, it was no longer a hostile Army after 31 July 1988.​

It is not about "apartheid."

Article 7(2h), Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court​

"The crime of apartheid" means inhumane acts of a character similar to those referred to in paragraph 1, committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime;​

​

It is NOT the case that there is a condition of "one racial group over any other racial group."​

​

It is NOT the case that there is a condition of Arab Palestinians being arbitrarily deprived of the right to entering Israel. The "Security Barrier" was erected for the protection of national security or of public order, or of public health or morals. Article 19 (3b) International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR).​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: There is a huge difference between:

(Ω) The prevention of the Incitement to Violence and Hatred 'vs' Criminalizing Dissent​

(Ω) Pursuing the international obligations which prohibit all advocacy that constitutes Incitement to Discrimination and Hostility 'vs' Criminalizing Dissent​

CRIMINALIZING DISSENT: THE ATTACK ON BDS AND PRO-PALESTINIAN SPEECH

(COMMENT)

First, let's make it clear at the outset: "The Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law." This is just fancy window dressing to cover for the fact that it is non-state actors that forge a form of economic coercion and intimidation, especially against the civilian citizenry, in the pursuit of political aims. The hidden agenda is the direct support of the violent counterpart factions.

(WHAT IS THE LAW)

Let's not twist this issue into something it is not. It is NOT an attack on free speech. (It is that simple.) And don't let them (BDS) kid you that it is.

◈ Article 20 International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR)​

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.​

​

◈ Article 4 International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD)​

States Parties condemn all propaganda and all organizations which are based on ideas or theories of superiority of one race or group of persons of one colour or ethnic origin, or which attempt to justify or promote racial hatred and discrimination in any form, and undertake to adopt immediate and positive measures designed to eradicate all incitement to, or acts of, such discrimination and, to this end, with due regard to the principles embodied in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the rights expressly set forth in article 5 of this Convention, inter alia:​

​

◈ Article 5 International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD)​

In compliance with the fundamental obligations laid down in article 2 of this Convention, States Parties undertake to prohibit and to eliminate racial discrimination in all its forms and to guarantee the right of everyone, without distinction as to race, colour, or national or ethnic origin, to equality before the law, notably in the enjoyment of the following rights:​

​

(e) Economic, social and cultural rights, in particular:​

(i) The rights to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work, to protection against unemployment, to equal pay for equal work, to just and favourable remuneration;​

The BDS Movement is a form of economic warfare with the intent of trying to impose economic sanctions against Israel. While the status and boundaries of the State of Palestine has not been resolved, the faction won the largest number of seats in the Palestinian Parliament (76 of 132) openly has a policy that Palestine (which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south) is an Arab Islamic land. They do not see the State of Israel holding any sovereignty. When you support the BDS Movement, you are essentially supporting the demise of the State of Israel.

The dispute here is between those that support the Arab Islamic Land 'vs' Israeli Sovereignty. To oppose the BDS Movement is to undertake to protections and rights of the regional minority (the Israelis) and to eliminate racial discrimination in all its forms and to guarantee the right of everyone, without distinction as to race, colour, or national or ethnic origin, to function under the International Covenants (CCPR/CERD).

(ONE FURTHER NOTE)

The goal of international law, relative to the Palestinian - Israeli dispute, is the maintain international peace and security. While most of the world (including those in the Middle East and North African Region) is working towards normalization, it is the Arab Palestinians the oppose such peaceful interaction. When you support the BDS Movement, you are on the side opposing normalization.

​

View attachment 434280

Most Respectfully,
R

It is not about discrimination. It is about colonialism, occupation, and apartheid.

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: There is a huge difference between:

(Ω) The prevention of the Incitement to Violence and Hatred 'vs' Criminalizing Dissent​

(Ω) Pursuing the international obligations which prohibit all advocacy that constitutes Incitement to Discrimination and Hostility 'vs' Criminalizing Dissent​

CRIMINALIZING DISSENT: THE ATTACK ON BDS AND PRO-PALESTINIAN SPEECH

(COMMENT)

First, let's make it clear at the outset: "The Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law." This is just fancy window dressing to cover for the fact that it is non-state actors that forge a form of economic coercion and intimidation, especially against the civilian citizenry, in the pursuit of political aims. The hidden agenda is the direct support of the violent counterpart factions.

(WHAT IS THE LAW)

Let's not twist this issue into something it is not. It is NOT an attack on free speech. (It is that simple.) And don't let them (BDS) kid you that it is.

◈ Article 20 International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR)​

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.​

​

◈ Article 4 International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD)​

States Parties condemn all propaganda and all organizations which are based on ideas or theories of superiority of one race or group of persons of one colour or ethnic origin, or which attempt to justify or promote racial hatred and discrimination in any form, and undertake to adopt immediate and positive measures designed to eradicate all incitement to, or acts of, such discrimination and, to this end, with due regard to the principles embodied in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the rights expressly set forth in article 5 of this Convention, inter alia:​

​

◈ Article 5 International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD)​

In compliance with the fundamental obligations laid down in article 2 of this Convention, States Parties undertake to prohibit and to eliminate racial discrimination in all its forms and to guarantee the right of everyone, without distinction as to race, colour, or national or ethnic origin, to equality before the law, notably in the enjoyment of the following rights:​

​

(e) Economic, social and cultural rights, in particular:​

(i) The rights to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work, to protection against unemployment, to equal pay for equal work, to just and favourable remuneration;​

The BDS Movement is a form of economic warfare with the intent of trying to impose economic sanctions against Israel. While the status and boundaries of the State of Palestine has not been resolved, the faction won the largest number of seats in the Palestinian Parliament (76 of 132) openly has a policy that Palestine (which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south) is an Arab Islamic land. They do not see the State of Israel holding any sovereignty. When you support the BDS Movement, you are essentially supporting the demise of the State of Israel.

The dispute here is between those that support the Arab Islamic Land 'vs' Israeli Sovereignty. To oppose the BDS Movement is to undertake to protections and rights of the regional minority (the Israelis) and to eliminate racial discrimination in all its forms and to guarantee the right of everyone, without distinction as to race, colour, or national or ethnic origin, to function under the International Covenants (CCPR/CERD).

(ONE FURTHER NOTE)

The goal of international law, relative to the Palestinian - Israeli dispute, is the maintain international peace and security. While most of the world (including those in the Middle East and North African Region) is working towards normalization, it is the Arab Palestinians the oppose such peaceful interaction. When you support the BDS Movement, you are on the side opposing normalization.

​

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Most Respectfully,
R

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Is this the one you are talking about?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Article 42 Hague Regulation Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.

Indeed, there is the 1948 occupation and the 1967 occupation.

 

[Hollie]

Article 42 Hague Regulation Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.

Indeed, there is the 1948 occupation and the 1967 occupation.

Indeed, there was never an occupation of sovereign Pally land.

Indeed, you confuse Arab-Moslem occupation of former Turkish controlled territory with an islamist waqf.

You do indeed have a rather imaginative version of islamo-history.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Oh, wow!

Article 42 Hague Regulation Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.

Indeed, there is the 1948 occupation and the 1967 occupation.

(COMMENT)

Relative to the 1948 Claim Made supra,

The initial territorial Rule established by Israel in 1948 was by "Self-Determination," the Question of Occupation over the West Bank and Jerusalem was ultimately set by the “default rule theory” when the Jordanians abandon the territory and leaving the rule to the Israelis by default.​

Relative to the 1967 Claim Made supra,

You might question, why the Israelis and NOT the Arab Palestinians? It was because the Arab Palestinians had no established government or associated infrastructure on the ground. The Israelis were already in place and with the right infrastructure to facilitate a governing body.​

The Gaza Strip is much different. In 2005, it was the Israelis that unilaterally withdrew (tantamount to abandonment) and left the question of the Ruling Authority over the territory to the Arab Palestinians under the "Default Rule Theory." And in this case, the terrorist group → Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) ultimately became the ruling faction.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

The initial territorial Rule established by Israel in 1948 was by "Self-Determination,"

I don't see Self-Determination listed as a means of acquiring territory.

Got a link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

the Question of Occupation over the West Bank and Jerusalem was ultimately set by the “default rule theory” when the Jordanians abandon the territory and leaving the rule to the Israelis by default.

Is that why the whole world calls them Occupied Palestinian Territories?

 

[P F Tinmore]

It was because the Arab Palestinians had no established government or associated infrastructure on the ground. The Israelis were already in place and with the right infrastructure to facilitate a governing body.

That was due to the British violations until 1948.