Palestinian leaders undecided on Kerry's latest peace proposal

[Lipush]

What about all of Israel's pre-conditions?

What are Israel's pre-conditions?

Seriously, I didn't see any?

Those are the Palestinians who always get what they want, with Israel left with the pants down.

What are the conditions?

israel says there is no reason for peace talks if the Palestionians refuse to accept isael as a "jewish" state.

Excellent

So, what's the problem with that?

 

[Lipush]

Which is another reason there will never be a " palestinian state". If they were really interested in " negotiations" why should there be any Pre- Conditions?

Palestinian leaders undecided on Kerry's latest peace proposal

There's nothing to negotiate.

Israel needs to get the fuck off land that isn't theirs.

And what will the Palestinian do to show some king of good will.

Need I remind you, that Israel also agreed to release 350 killers with blood on their hands.

What will the Palestinians sacrifice for peace?

 

[Lipush]

Israel is a Jewish State written in International Law ratified by the UN.
Get reading on history people. Your ignorance, blinded by hate, is laughable.

Israel just declared themselves a state with no legal justification to do so. But they're there now, so they exist. Period. No reason for people to recognize that.

What Israel needs to do, is recognize the Palestinian's right to exist and their inalienable right to self-determination.

They are asking the right for self determination when they say very clearly they won't give it back.

So we're pretty much stuck here, because that is the basic game. Israel says "We will give you right of existence, if and when you give us ours".

Palestinians say, "We want the right to exist, but you won't receive yours, ever."

Yeah, that surely is fair.

NOT!

 

[Gardener]

The '67 borders are NEVER going to happen ! Like, ever. Wake up from your delusional world of Arab propaganda and hate, and join the rest of us in the world of reality, it'll do you good Sherri.

WE don't need the exact 1967 borders but very close to it.

we can trade land with the Zionists.

but the Palestininians have a right to a land mass the exact same sizxe as Palestine (The West Bank).

if the west bank is 3,000 sq. km, then the Palestinians must get 3,000 km of land.

most of it must be the west bank (palestine) and the rest can be from the zionist state.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

The '67 borders are NEVER going to happen ! Like, ever. Wake up from your delusional world of Arab propaganda and hate, and join the rest of us in the world of reality, it'll do you good Sherri.

WE don't need the exact 1967 borders but very close to it.

we can trade land with the Zionists.

but the Palestininians have a right to a land mass the exact same sizxe as Palestine (The West Bank).

if the west bank is 3,000 sq. km, then the Palestinians must get 3,000 km of land.

most of it must be the west bank (palestine) and the rest can be from the zionist state.

They have had chances before to accept the land and they have refused.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Israel was given the land to be a Jewish State by the League of Nations in 1922, later to become the United Nations, and Article 80 protects the Jews right to be there.

Resolutions by the UN that violate that Law are illeEMOr gal.

The laughable thing is, whilst being an illegal Act by the UN splitting up the land to offer some to the Arabs, the Arabs refused, when they could have got what they are asking for right now.

The Arabs want all the land, not just the land that Jordan occupied, known as the West Bank. That is not enough for them.

MORE Zionist Hasbara Propaganda , nothing you write is true! Intl legal authorities have clearly held ISRAEL has no sovereignty rights in E Jerusalem and the WB and Gaza! Every day the Zionist settlers live there, they live there as squatters and war criminals!

More denial of international law from you. I shouldn't be surprised as I expect nothing else from you really.

It is international law, The Intl Court of Justice, that holds Israel occupies East Jerusalem and the WB and Gaza . I am fully accepting the holdings of intl legal authorities. http://www.israellawresourcecenter....dvisoryopinion2003/fulltext/icjao2003text.htm

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel was given the land to be a Jewish State by the League of Nations in 1922, later to become the United Nations, and Article 80 protects the Jews right to be there.

Resolutions by the UN that violate that Law are illegal.

The laughable thing is, whilst being an illegal Act by the UN splitting up the land to offer some to the Arabs, the Arabs refused, when they could have got what they are asking for right now.

The Arabs want all the land, not just the land that Jordan occupied, known as the West Bank. That is not enough for them.

All legal jurisdiction and authority from the League of Nations, was transferred to the UN when it was formed in 1948. And resolutions by the UNSC are binding and therefore, the law.

There were conditions to granting Israel the land. They could only have it if they respected the inherent rights of the indigenous population of non-Jewish residents. But they didn't do that. Zionists brought with them, racist, apartheid policies for land ownership and labor. And they had jewish terrorists groups like Irgun, drive out over 700,000 arab residents.

And that "offer" to the arabs, was not a fair offer. What person in their right mind would accept a deal that would require you to give up 70% of your property to the new kids on the block?

The West Bank, Golan Heights, Gaza and East Jerusalem, is not Israeli land. And it will never be Israeli land. For the world community to allow Israel any part of that land, would be the same as saying it was okay for Hitler to annex Poland.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Israel was given the land to be a Jewish State by the League of Nations in 1922, later to become the United Nations, and Article 80 protects the Jews right to be there.

Resolutions by the UN that violate that Law are illegal.

The laughable thing is, whilst being an illegal Act by the UN splitting up the land to offer some to the Arabs, the Arabs refused, when they could have got what they are asking for right now.

The Arabs want all the land, not just the land that Jordan occupied, known as the West Bank. That is not enough for them.

All legal jurisdiction and authority from the League of Nations, was transferred to the UN when it was formed in 1948. And resolutions by the UNSC are binding and therefore, the law.

There were conditions to granting Israel the land. They could only have it if they respected the inherent rights of the indigenous population of non-Jewish residents. But they didn't do that. Zionists brought with them, racist, apartheid policies for land ownership and labor. And they had jewish terrorists groups like Irgun, drive out over 700,000 arab residents.

And that "offer" to the arabs, was not a fair offer. What person in their right mind would accept a deal that would require you to give up 70% of your property to the new kids on the block?

The West Bank, Golan Heights, Gaza and East Jerusalem, is not Israeli land. And it will never be Israeli land. For the world community to allow Israel any part of that land, would be the same as saying it was okay for Hitler to annex Poland.

Its the Balfour Declaration and any other documents that can be interpreted as taking sovereignty rights away from the indigenous peoples that are the documents unlawful under intl law.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

The Origins and Evolutionof the Palestine Problem:1917-1988 PART I 1917-1947- One authority writes:*"The most significant and incontrovertible fact is, however, that by itself the Declaration was legally impotent. For Great Britain had no sovereign rights over Palestine, it had no proprietary interest, it had no authority to dispose of the land. The Declaration was merely a statement of British intentions and no more".* Other authorities in international law have also held the Declaration to be legally invalid3 but this was not an issue in 1917, when the Balfour Declaration became official British policy for the future of Palestine. The ambiguities and contradictions within the Declaration contributed heavily towards the conflict of goals and expectations that arose between the Palestinian Arabs and the non-Palestinian Jews. The Zionist Organization was to use the assurances for "a national home for the Jewish people" to press its plans for the colonization of Palestine on the basis of the Balfour Declaration and its implementation through the League of Nations Mandates System. The Palestinian people were to resist these efforts, since their fundamental political right to self-determination had been denied, and their land was to become the object of colonization from abroad during the period it was under a League of Nations Mandate.*- See more at: The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP, DPR study, part I: 1917-1947 (30 June 1978)

 

[Gardener]

Israel is a Jewish State written in International Law ratified by the UN.
Get reading on history people. Your ignorance, blinded by hate, is laughable.

Liar.

The UN never accepted Israel as a Jewish state!!

The UN geenral assembly accepted israel in 1949, but the general assembly has no force of law!!! only the security council resoliutions are law!!!!!!

 

[Gardener]

Israel was given the land to be a Jewish State by the League of Nations in 1922, later to become the United Nations, and Article 80 protects the Jews right to be there.

Resolutions by the UN that violate that Law are illegal.

The laughable thing is, whilst being an illegal Act by the UN splitting up the land to offer some to the Arabs, the Arabs refused, when they could have got what they are asking for right now.

The Arabs want all the land, not just the land that Jordan occupied, known as the West Bank. That is not enough for them.

the jews were given palestine as long as they didn't persecute the palestinians.

the jews persecuted the palestinians which mean they gave up their ight totheir own state. the jews still persecute the palestinians to this day!!!!!

when you violate a contract the contreact is dead.

again the zionists want their cake and eat it too.

 

[Gardener]

what gave the british and the league of nations the right to give a peoples' land away to foreigners from europe, africa, and asia????

what gave the british and the league of nations the right to violate the promise to the arabs that if they fight the turks they will get independence in all arab lands???

the british played both sides like two faced pigs.

 

[Gardener]

The british promised the arab world would be free and independent if they fought with the british against the turks!!!

McMahon?Hussein Correspondence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The british promisd the palestinian people would have economic and political freedom EVEN with the balfour declaration!!!!!

McMahon?Hussein Correspondence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

tHE British promisd that all Arab lands liberated by the British of the Ottoman empire would be governed at the consent of the native peoples!!!

Declaration to the Seven - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The british promised that the furture settlement of the arab lands liberated from the ottomans would be in accordance with the wishes of the liebrated peoples!!!

McMahon?Hussein Correspondence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The british and french declared that they would liberate the arab peoples long oppressed by the ottomans and the establishment of nations derived from the free choice and free will of the liberated peoples!!!

McMahon?Hussein Correspondence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The evidence is clear that the british promised Palestine would be a free and independent Arab country!!!!!

McMahon?Hussein Correspondence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Billo_Really]

The Origins and Evolutionof the Palestine Problem:1917-1988 PART I 1917-1947- One authority writes:*"The most significant and incontrovertible fact is, however, that by itself the Declaration was legally impotent. For Great Britain had no sovereign rights over Palestine, it had no proprietary interest, it had no authority to dispose of the land. The Declaration was merely a statement of British intentions and no more".* Other authorities in international law have also held the Declaration to be legally invalid3 but this was not an issue in 1917, when the Balfour Declaration became official British policy for the future of Palestine. The ambiguities and contradictions within the Declaration contributed heavily towards the conflict of goals and expectations that arose between the Palestinian Arabs and the non-Palestinian Jews. The Zionist Organization was to use the assurances for "a national home for the Jewish people" to press its plans for the colonization of Palestine on the basis of the Balfour Declaration and its implementation through the League of Nations Mandates System. The Palestinian people were to resist these efforts, since their fundamental political right to self-determination had been denied, and their land was to become the object of colonization from abroad during the period it was under a League of Nations Mandate.*- See more at: The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP, DPR study, part I: 1917-1947 (30 June 1978)

I think Arthur Balfour's comment at the time of the Balfour decision made it pretty clear.

The Balfour Declaration

The British Foreign Office, November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild, I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

“His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”​

Signed,
Arthur James Balfour
[Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs]

And this is worth repeating...

...the Zionists didn't live up to their part of the Decision.

And there's no better prima facia evidence of their failure to live up to their terms of the agreement, than the statements from a famous Zionist humanist living in Palestine at the time...

the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination.
- Ahad Ha'am

And Sherri, his next comment, happens to be something we are experiencing on this board, a half-century later...

' [the Zionists] wax angry towards those who remind them that there is still another people in Eretz Yisrael that has been living there and does not intend at all to leave its place. In a future when this illusion will have been torn from their hearts and they will look with open eyes upon the reality as it is, they will certainly understand how important this question is and how great our duty to work for its solution'.

That was one honest Zionist. I wish there were more like him.

Just one more...

 

[Roudy]

The british promised the arab world would be free and independent if they fought with the british against the turks!!!

McMahon?Hussein Correspondence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The british promisd the palestinian people would have economic and political freedom EVEN with the balfour declaration!!!!!

McMahon?Hussein Correspondence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

tHE British promisd that all Arab lands liberated by the British of the Ottoman empire would be governed at the consent of the native peoples!!!

Declaration to the Seven - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The british promised that the furture settlement of the arab lands liberated from the ottomans would be in accordance with the wishes of the liebrated peoples!!!

McMahon?Hussein Correspondence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The british and french declared that they would liberate the arab peoples long oppressed by the ottomans and the establishment of nations derived from the free choice and free will of the liberated peoples!!!

McMahon?Hussein Correspondence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The evidence is clear that the british promised Palestine would be a free and independent Arab country!!!!!

McMahon?Hussein Correspondence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Amin Al Husseini: Nazi Father of Jihad, Al Qaeda, Arafat, Saddam Hussein and the Muslim Brotherhood - Tell The Children The Truth - Homepage

 

[Roudy]

The Origins and Evolutionof the Palestine Problem:1917-1988 PART I 1917-1947- One authority writes:*"The most significant and incontrovertible fact is, however, that by itself the Declaration was legally impotent. For Great Britain had no sovereign rights over Palestine, it had no proprietary interest, it had no authority to dispose of the land. The Declaration was merely a statement of British intentions and no more".* Other authorities in international law have also held the Declaration to be legally invalid3 but this was not an issue in 1917, when the Balfour Declaration became official British policy for the future of Palestine. The ambiguities and contradictions within the Declaration contributed heavily towards the conflict of goals and expectations that arose between the Palestinian Arabs and the non-Palestinian Jews. The Zionist Organization was to use the assurances for "a national home for the Jewish people" to press its plans for the colonization of Palestine on the basis of the Balfour Declaration and its implementation through the League of Nations Mandates System. The Palestinian people were to resist these efforts, since their fundamental political right to self-determination had been denied, and their land was to become the object of colonization from abroad during the period it was under a League of Nations Mandate.*- See more at: The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP, DPR study, part I: 1917-1947 (30 June 1978)

I think Arthur Balfour's comment at the time of the Balfour decision made it pretty clear.

The Balfour Declaration

The British Foreign Office, November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild, I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

“His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”​

Signed,
Arthur James Balfour
[Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs]

And this is worth repeating...

...the Zionists didn't live up to their part of the Decision.

And there's no better prima facia evidence of their failure to live up to their terms of the agreement, than the statements from a famous Zionist humanist living in Palestine at the time...

the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination.
- Ahad Ha'am

And Sherri, his next comment, happens to be something we are experiencing on this board, a half-century later...

' [the Zionists] wax angry towards those who remind them that there is still another people in Eretz Yisrael that has been living there and does not intend at all to leave its place. In a future when this illusion will have been torn from their hearts and they will look with open eyes upon the reality as it is, they will certainly understand how important this question is and how great our duty to work for its solution'.

That was one honest Zionist. I wish there were more like him.

Just one more...

That phrase has been debunked as a fraud. Why you aceholes keep repeating the same garbage over and over as if its going to make a difference.

 

[Roudy]

what gave the british and the league of nations the right to give a peoples' land away to foreigners from europe, africa, and asia????

what gave the british and the league of nations the right to violate the promise to the arabs that if they fight the turks they will get independence in all arab lands???

the british played both sides like two faced pigs.

Ha ha ha. Was third grade your three hardest years? The land belonged to the Ottomans for 700 years and when they were defeated the British and French took control of the region and then proceeded to divide it.

 

[Billo_Really]

Amin Al Husseini: Nazi Father of Jihad, Al Qaeda, Arafat, Saddam Hussein and the Muslim Brotherhood - Tell The Children The Truth - Homepage

There is no better reason to refuse Israel's right to exist than you.

Who in their right mind, would give an entire country to people like you?

 

[Billo_Really]

That phrase has been debunked as a fraud. Why you aceholes keep repeating the same garbage over and over as if its going to make a difference.

Since you can't back it up with any citations, the only fraud is you and your big, lionist mouth!

 

[Roudy]

Amin Al Husseini: Nazi Father of Jihad, Al Qaeda, Arafat, Saddam Hussein and the Muslim Brotherhood - Tell The Children The Truth - Homepage

There is no better reason to refuse Israel's right to exist than you.

Who in their right mind, would give an entire country to people like you?

Ya OK Nazi boy. Lets give an entire country to a bunch of neo Nazi IslamoNazi asswipes like you. Why not? Ha ha ha.