Palestine was always Israel

[AzogtheDefiler]

Ok, then tell me why our ancestors invaded Jericho and bragged about murdering every single man, woman, child, and even animals?
It is clear the Canaanites not only lived there as far back as 8,000 BC, and were likely the single oldest civilization on the planet, but also they did not seem to beat up on anyone, allowed dozens of other cultures to spring up and be supported, while being benevolent and kind.

The best defense is a good offense. If they didn't invade they would have been invaded.

 

[Rigby5]

The best defense is a good offense. If they didn't invade they would have been invaded.

I don't buy that at all, since after leaving Egypt, they went to "the wilderness", which pretty much must have been the Sinai. There was no one interested in invading them there, and even today there is no one all that interested in that area.
Which leads me to suspect there is something economically limiting about the Sinai, like lack of water or grass. If that is true, then the motive for invading the Land of Canaan was purely materialistic.
The Land of Canaan had more resources and was more prosperous.
But they did not have to invade.
The Canaanites apparently accepted dozens of other culture peacefully.
So the genocide against the Canaanites appears to be motivated for purely evil reasons?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I don't buy that at all, since after leaving Egypt, they went to "the wilderness", which pretty much must have been the Sinai. There was no one interested in invading them there, and even today there is no one all that interested in that area.
Which leads me to suspect there is something economically limiting about the Sinai, like lack of water or grass. If that is true, then the motive for invading the Land of Canaan was purely materialistic.
The Land of Canaan had more resources and was more prosperous.
But they did not have to invade.
The Canaanites apparently accepted dozens of other culture peacefully.
So the genocide against the Canaanites appears to be motivated for purely evil reasons?

Just because you don't buy it doesn't make it untrue.

 

[Rigby5]

Just because you don't buy it doesn't make it untrue.

But the Hebrew tribes were much safer in the Sinai than in the Land of Canaan.
Not only did they had to fight the Canaanites, but the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, and Romans.
It was moving to Jerusalem that caused the continual defeat of the Hebrew tribes.
They obviously should not have gone there, then or now, and it will again cause their defeat.
They do not know how to get along and share, so should pick somewhere less over populated.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

But the Hebrew tribes were much safer in the Sinai than in the Land of Canaan.
Not only did they had to fight the Canaanites, but the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, and Romans.
It was moving to Jerusalem that caused the continual defeat of the Hebrew tribes.
They obviously should not have gone there, then or now, and it will again cause their defeat.
They do not know how to get along and share, so should pick somewhere less over populated.

How do you know? You weren’t there. Back then war determined most everything and was fought everywhere and many tribes went extinct. The Jews survived. They did something right.

 

[Rigby5]

How do you know? You weren’t there. Back then war determined most everything and was fought everywhere and many tribes went extinct. The Jews survived. They did something right.

The Canaanites, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, Amorites, Assyrians, Akkadians, etc., all still exist.
The ones who do not exist or were driven out were those who were too aggressive.
The Jews survived by stopping their being so aggressive.
They changed and tried to become benevolent to local cultures.
That is until Zionism popped up.
Zionism is evil is the greatest threat to Judaism that ever existed.

 

[Indeependent]

The Canaanites, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, Amorites, Assyrians, Akkadians, etc., all still exist.
The ones who do not exist or were driven out were those who were too aggressive.
The Jews survived by stopping their being so aggressive.
They changed and tried to become benevolent to local cultures.
That is until Zionism popped up.
Zionism is evil is the greatest threat to Judaism that ever existed.

You better start writing a document of every nation that has to be resettled.

 

[Indeependent]

I don't buy that at all, since after leaving Egypt, they went to "the wilderness", which pretty much must have been the Sinai. There was no one interested in invading them there, and even today there is no one all that interested in that area.
Which leads me to suspect there is something economically limiting about the Sinai, like lack of water or grass. If that is true, then the motive for invading the Land of Canaan was purely materialistic.
The Land of Canaan had more resources and was more prosperous.
But they did not have to invade.
The Canaanites apparently accepted dozens of other culture peacefully.
So the genocide against the Canaanites appears to be motivated for purely evil reasons?

The Land of Canaan has almost no resources.

 

[Rigby5]

You better start writing a document of every nation that has to be resettled.

Wrong.
The point is you don't get to claim land by invading.
That means no resettling by force.
Even if the ancestors committed a crime, you do not press the sins of the fathers on the sons.
But Israel is guilty NOW, so can't be ignored.

 

[Rigby5]

The Land of Canaan has almost no resources.

Nonsense.
The Land of Canaan has both the Mediterranean coast as well as the River Jordan.
It has always been successful, going back to 8000 BC.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The Canaanites, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, Amorites, Assyrians, Akkadians, etc., all still exist.
The ones who do not exist or were driven out were those who were too aggressive.
The Jews survived by stopping their being so aggressive.
They changed and tried to become benevolent to local cultures.
That is until Zionism popped up.
Zionism is evil is the greatest threat to Judaism that ever existed.

They exist in name only. Zionism just means you support Jews having their own homeland.

 

[Rigby5]

They exist in name only. Zionism just means you support Jews having their own homeland.

Zionism USED to mean act correctly so that the Messiah would come, and the Jews could then have their own homeland again.
But the point was to deserve it, so that then it would be created for us by God.

If instead you try to create a homeland by force, instead of having faith in God, then you are committing the worst sins of arrogance and pride that we are supposed to be atoning for already.
That pretty much would condemn us to never having the Messiah come and never ever having a homeland again, because to make a homeland by force, and that can only lead to destruction.

So regardless if one believes in God or not, the Zionism of Israel is incredibly evil and counter productive, with eventual destruction guaranteed.

 

[Indeependent]

Wrong.
The point is you don't get to claim land by invading.
That means no resettling by force.
Even if the ancestors committed a crime, you do not press the sins of the fathers on the sons.
But Israel is guilty NOW, so can't be ignored.

Which means that 99% of nations right now have to resettle.

 

[Indeependent]

Zionism USED to mean act correctly so that the Messiah would come, and the Jews could then have their own homeland again.
But the point was to deserve it, so that then it would be created for us by God.

If instead you try to create a homeland by force, instead of having faith in God, then you are committing the worst sins of arrogance and pride that we are supposed to be atoning for already.
That pretty much would condemn us to never having the Messiah come and never ever having a homeland again, because to make a homeland by force, and that can only lead to destruction.

So regardless if one believes in God or not, the Zionism of Israel is incredibly evil and counter productive, with eventual destruction guaranteed.

You're an idiot.
The Jews had faith but were burned in ovens.

 

[Crepitus]

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I'll simplify it as Leftists are dumb.

1. The land was called Judea, 12 tribes of Israel. Jerusalem was the capital. This was the case long before Islam was even a thought.
2. Jews won the land by conquest. First by David and then by Joshua.
3. Jews primary opponents were the Philistines.
4. Romans came in and conquered Judea. They renamed the land Palestine as an insult because the Jews biggest historical rival were the Philistines. Are you keeping up? Judea was renamed Palestine. This was 500+ years before Islam. Still keeping up?
5. After multiple conquests of the land from Romans to the Ottoman Empire to the British the Jews retook the land post WW2. Ever see the movie Exodus? It became apparent to the British that it was no longer economically feasible to hold the land. If you didn't see Exodus, you likely saw Avatar. Jews were the blue natives. So Israel is formed in 1947 and Jews and Arabs invited to live there in peace.
6. Arab nations attack Israel in 1948 and get their asses kicked so Israel assumes more land. Still no "Palestine" or "Palestinians"
7. Yassir Arafat, an Egyptian and Jew hater forms the the PLO and starts calling people "Palestinians" this is 1964.
8. You leftist idiots still keeping up? Good. Another war takes place in 1967 and Arabs lose again.
9. Many Jews now live in Israel. Their ancient homeland. Judaism is a religion and a culture. Even those who don't believe in God may be Jews based on blood lines and culture. Yes. The reason we break the glass when we get married is because of the shattering of our homeland and our promise to return, which we did.
10. Israel is the former Judea. NOT PALESTINE. That was an insult given by the conquering Romans. So stop with this bullshit that it was someone else's land. It wasn't. It was always Judea. It was always the Jews homeland. If you want it back then take it by force and see how that works out for you. Oh and the US doesn't give $$ to Israel it gives Israel CREDIT for producing weaponry for Israel that Israel buys from US companies.

Leftists are stupid.

It was Canaan before that. I believe the bible says something about the news killing them all.

 

[Indeependent]

It

It was Canaan before that. I believe the bible says something about the news killing them all.

The Bible also says why but why go there?

 

[Crepitus]

The Bible also says why but why go there?

I don't recall all of it. I'm not a religious person, I've read the bible out of academic interest, but made no attempt to memorize the damn thing.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Zionism USED to mean act correctly so that the Messiah would come, and the Jews could then have their own homeland again.
But the point was to deserve it, so that then it would be created for us by God.

If instead you try to create a homeland by force, instead of having faith in God, then you are committing the worst sins of arrogance and pride that we are supposed to be atoning for already.
That pretty much would condemn us to never having the Messiah come and never ever having a homeland again, because to make a homeland by force, and that can only lead to destruction.

So regardless if one believes in God or not, the Zionism of Israel is incredibly evil and counter productive, with eventual destruction guaranteed.

Why is your opinion more valid than mine?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It

It was Canaan before that. I believe the bible says something about the news killing them all.

News? Like CNN

 

[Crepitus]

News? Like CNN

Jews. Typo.