Pakistan at odds with India

[RodISHI]

Pakistan huffs and puffs over US support for India in Afghanistan and Kashmir - Firstpost



Terrorist at the borders

Taliban planning attack at borders with India, warns Pakistan agency - Times of India
Arrest of Kulbhushan Yadav vindicates India has waged war against Pakistan : Lt Gen Amir Riaz

QUETTA (Web Desk) – Commander Southern Command Lieutenant General Amir Riaz stated on Friday that India has waged unconventional war against Pakistan.
General Amir expressed these views regarding the arrest of Kulbhushan Yadav, an agent of the Indian intelligence agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) in Balochistan.
While addressing a press conference at the Quetta Press Club, Lieutenant General Amir said that conflicts against one another need to be forgotten as terrorism needs to be tackled through unity.
“All of us need to play our part against terrorism,” Commander Southern Command said. He vowed that those who were behind promoting terrorism on the basis of religion were not Muslims. Lieutenant General Amir stated that he had firm believe that faith shall be established in Pakistan, Dunya News reported.
Prayers for the martyred cameramen Shahzad and Mehmood, who lost their lives in the Quetta blast, were also offered on the occassion.

 

[Moonglow]

The GOP will be back in power some day and can give Pakistan that higher level of support....

 

[RodISHI]

The GOP will be back in power some day and can give Pakistan that higher level of support....

The raids on the borders go both ways. If the establishment bankers/weapons investors have their way they will provide more weapons to keep the two countries buying into their war machine. The border raids into India have been on the Sindh people who have tried to escape the radical Islamist.

 

[Moonglow]

Just think, they have been fighting for about a thousand years......They should be used to it...

 

[RodISHI]

Just think, they have been fighting for about a thousand years......They should be used to it...

A lot of the younger generation have gotten a taste of a more civilized life and they are protesting the old and hoping for a new way.

 

[longknife]

This has been going on long before the British Raj - a matter of many centuries. The big argument is over Kashmir - another stupidity of the Brits when they left. The ones to look at in this matter are the Chinese - they will support India.

 

[RoshanNair]

You would think the Pakis would be a little less uppity after losing all four wars to the Hindus since partition.....or maybe not, LOL.

 

[waltky]

Pakis in cahoots with the Russkies...

India's PM Says Pakistan's Support of Terror Is Destabilizing Asia
September 24, 2016 — Slamming Pakistan as an exporter of terrorism, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Saturday accused his country's South Asian neighbor of trying to destabilize Asia and vowed to isolate it in the international community.

These were Modi's first public comments since a terror attack on an Indian army base heightened tensions between the two countries. They were made at a rally of his Bharatiya Janata Party in the southern Indian city of Kozhikode. "People of Pakistan should question their leadership on why, when both countries gained freedom together, while India exports software to the world, Pakistan exports terrorists," he said. Alluding to Pakistan, he said that while all Asian countries were working to ensure that the 21st century belongs to Asia, there was one nation working to ensure that this would not happen.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, pictured at an election rally of his party in Kolkata in April 2016, says Pakistanis should question why their nation "exports terrorists" to the rest of the world.​

Modi named Afghanistan and Bangladesh as other countries in the region that were also suffering because of terrorism emanating from Pakistan. The hard-line leader has been under pressure to give a tough response to the attack that killed 18 soldiers at an army base close to the the border with Kashmir. India blamed the attack on the Pakistan-based Islamic militant Jaish-e-Mohammad group. Islamabad strongly denied any involvement and said India had not provided proof to back its accusations.

Rhetoric cools

While the Indian leader spoke in tough language directed at Pakistan and vowed not to bow down in the face of terrorism, he also toned down the rhetoric from some leaders in his Hindu nationalist party who had raised questions about the possibility of a military escalation between the rivals. Modi said he would mount a global campaign to diplomatically isolate Pakistan. Saying he wanted to talk directly to the people of Pakistan, Modi said, "If the two countries have to wage a battle, then we must battle to end poverty, unemployment and illiteracy and see who wins."

An Indian Border Security Force soldier patrols the India-Pakistan border area at Ranbir Singh Pura, about 35 kilometers (22 miles) from Jammu, India​

Analysts say India wants to avoid a military escalation partly because of the restive situation in Indian Kashmir, where India has faced widespread civilian unrest for two months. Pakistan has also said it will retaliate against any strikes on its territory. India blames Pakistan-based militant groups of fomenting unrest in Kashmir and mounting terror attacks in India, while Pakistan accuses Indian security forces of widespread human rights violations in Indian Kashmir. The Himalayan region is divided between the two countries and has been the trigger of two of their three wars.

India's PM Says Pakistan's Support of Terror Is Destabilizing Asia

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Russian Commandos Join Pakistan in Rare Military Drill
September 23, 2016 — More than 70 Russian army commandos have arrived in Pakistan to participate in the first-ever joint military exercises between the two countries, officials announced Friday.

A Pakistani army spokesman said the two-week-long drill is scheduled to begin on Saturday and conclude on October 10. The exercises, called “Friendship 2016,” will involve around 200 military personnel of both the countries and take place in Cherat, a security official told VOA. The northwestern mountainous region is the headquarters of the Pakistani commando forces, or Special Services Group. The drills are expected to focus on "high altitude warfare."

Pakistani troops welcoming Russian forces at a military base in Rawalpindi​

India, which enjoys close ties with Russia, had conveyed its concerns to Moscow that part of the military exercises will be conducted in the northern region of Gilgit-Baltistan, which is part of the divided region of Kashmir, where Indian and Pakistani troops face off along mountain peaks on the Line of Control. Russian officials, however, are reported as saying they have informed New Delhi the drill will be conducted far from the disputed territories.

The joint exercises are yet another sign of warming of ties between Islamabad and Moscow. “This [military drill] obviously indicates a desire on both sides to broaden defense and military-technical cooperation,” Pakistan's ambassador to Moscow, Qazi Khalilullah, told Russia’s TASS news agency. Both of the countries were on opposing sides during the Cold War era. Russia severed all ties with Pakistan because of Pakistan's involvement in the U.S.-funded Afghan insurgency against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Russian troops on board an Ilyushin Il-76 military transport plane landed at a Pakistan military base in Rawalpindi​

The two countries are now trying to overcome those tensions and signed a military cooperation agreement in 2014, lifting a years-long ban on the sale of Russian arms to Pakistan. It also paved the way for concluding another deal for the sale of four Russian Mi-35M attack helicopters to Pakistan. The military exercises come as tensions between Pakistan and India have escalated after a September 18 militant attack on an Indian military base, in the disputed Kashmir region, that killed 18 soldiers. Islamabad has denied Indian allegations it was linked to the deadly raid. The tensions have fueled speculations of another war between the nuclear-armed rival nations.

Russian Commandos Join Pakistan in Rare Military Drill

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India: Crucial Water Treaty With Pakistan Needs Mutual Trust
September 23, 2016 — With tensions between India and Pakistan running high over an attack on an Indian air base, New Delhi has alluded to the possibility of revisiting a crucial water agreement with Pakistan, but a high-ranking U.N. official cautioned against getting caught up in “water-war rhetoric.”

Under the 1960 treaty, Pakistan has the right to use water from three Himalayan rivers in the west that flow from the Indian side, while India has access to three rivers in the east. The western rivers - Indus, Chenab and Jhelum - are an important source of irrigation and drinking water in Pakistan. Amid calls for India to scrap the arrangement, Foreign Ministry spokesman Vikas Swarup said, “For such a treaty to work, it is important that there must be mutual trust and mutual cooperation between both the sides. It can’t be a one-sided affair."

A man sits on a boundary wall near the Indus river in Gilgit.​

Hours after the comment to reporters, U.N. Deputy Secretary General Jan Eliasson pointed out that the Indus water treaty has survived two wars between the rivals. Speaking at an event on “water as a source of peace” on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly in New York, he said water represents a source of cooperation, a source of growth and a source of mutual positive dependence. Analysts do not expect India to disturb the treaty, but see the Foreign Ministry comment as a message that New Delhi is weighing all options as it considers how to deal with the latest attack.

The assault, the worst in nearly two decades on an army facility in Kashmir, left 18 Indian soldiers dead and has put pressure on Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government to retaliate against Islamabad in some way. New Delhi has accused the Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammed terrorist group of mounting the assault. Islamabad has denied any involvement. While India appears to have backed off any military escalation, officials have said they are considering a range of measures, including economic and regional isolation.

The Indus, Jhelum and Chenab rivers in Pakistan​

For the time being, New Delhi is gathering diplomatic support to put pressure on Pakistan. “We hope that increasingly the international community will see the validity of ensuring that Pakistan is made to stop its state sponsorship of terrorism,” Swarup said. Even before the latest attack, the Indus water treaty was a source of friction between the two countries, with Pakistan saying the construction of dams and barrages by India deprives it of water, and New Delhi saying they are being built within the scope of the treaty.

India: Crucial Water Treaty With Pakistan Needs Mutual Trust

 

[frigidweirdo]

This has been going on long before the British Raj - a matter of many centuries. The big argument is over Kashmir - another stupidity of the Brits when they left. The ones to look at in this matter are the Chinese - they will support India.

Actually China is friends with Pakistan, rather than India.

 

[irosie91]

The GOP will be back in power some day and can give Pakistan that higher level of support....

The raids on the borders go both ways. If the establishment bankers/weapons investors have their way they will provide more weapons to keep the two countries buying into their war machine. The border raids into India have been on the Sindh people who have tried to escape the radical Islamist.

tell me about it------my limited understanding is the the SINDH people live in Punjab province which is kinda SPLIT
between Pakistan and India (is that right?) My limited
understanding is that a prominent group in Punjab province on
both sides is SIKH ---(is that right?) Then there are other sects------(????) My limited understanding is that Pakistan does not get along with several of those sects----and India does not entirely along with Sikhs (is that right?)

 

[RodISHI]

The GOP will be back in power some day and can give Pakistan that higher level of support....

The raids on the borders go both ways. If the establishment bankers/weapons investors have their way they will provide more weapons to keep the two countries buying into their war machine. The border raids into India have been on the Sindh people who have tried to escape the radical Islamist.

tell me about it------my limited understanding is the the SINDH people live in Punjab province which is kinda SPLIT
between Pakistan and India (is that right?) My limited
understanding is that a prominent group in Punjab province on
both sides is SIKH ---(is that right?) Then there are other sects------(????) My limited understanding is that Pakistan does not get along with several of those sects----and India does not entirely along with Sikhs (is that right?)

It has been awhile since I spoke with the person about what was transpiring over there with them, irosie. The one I spoke with explained it was partially tribal but the other portion was the Islamist wanted to control them also so they were getting it from both ends. Most from what I have seen are physically beautiful people that try to hold onto to their traditions tightly. The younger people want to become more up to date as they understand that they will need to be able to negotiate in order to receive protection from the Taliban. From what I got from the conversation the women are not treated as property.

 

[Indeependent]

Just think, they have been fighting for about a thousand years......They should be used to it...

A lot of the younger generation have gotten a taste of a more civilized life and they are protesting the old and hoping for a new way.

Becoming Business Visas in the US.

 

[RodISHI]

Just think, they have been fighting for about a thousand years......They should be used to it...

A lot of the younger generation have gotten a taste of a more civilized life and they are protesting the old and hoping for a new way.

Becoming Business Visas in the US.

I am sure some have. One thing about their traditions that is at odds within their tribes is keeping their tribes going. I must say on a whole they are for the most part they do appear to be a more peaceful brand of muslism.